Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Baditude]

I think one difference between the FDA and most agencies is the extent to which it is directly financed by Pharma rather than taxes. I'm not sure what effect that has on how they are operating right now. Their core business is drugs so unless they have plans for nicotine maybe they just decided to sit this one out. Or maybe what everyone is doing right now is all part of Pharma's plan.

30 some deaths from "vaping". Ban vaping. But these deadly drugs are still approved for use by the FDA.

I have to believe there are some "under the table" payments being made to the FDA to keep some dangerous drugs on the market. How else can you explain it?



Chantix blamed for 3,063 serious injuries and 78 deaths

The Food and Drug Administration Covers Up Evidence of Fraud, Fabrication, and Scientific Misconduct

Big Pharma CEO: ‘We’re in Business of Shareholder Profit, Not Helping The Sick’

E-cigs 'twice as effective' than nicotine patches, gum or sprays for quitting Pretty sure Big Pharma didn't like this study from the UK.

 

[Kent C]

Interesting, I would have guessed it was more than that.

There also seems to be frequent movement of people between jobs in Pharma, Pharma lobbying groups, and the FDA. Not surprising I suppose, similar skill sets. It makes it hard for me to trust their motives though.

Agree with the "revolving door" idea - same with gov't in general and the major news media.

Here's the "industry users" - about 5 are drug related, along with medical devices, FOIA?, additives, etc. along the left column.

FDA User Fee Programs

I didn't get into the financial spredsheets, but I'd guess that about 30-50% of the 45% mentioned above come from drug companies... just a guesstimation…

 

[Baditude]

The big "players" in the FDA, CDC, BT, and BP are all part of a revolving door.

Former CDC director was forced to resign because of owning stock in tobacco.
Current Surgeon General owns stock in tobacco.
Former FDA Director resigns for high position with former healthcare investment team.

CDC director resigns after report on tobacco stock purchase | Science | AAAS

The Surgeon General Owns Stock in Tobacco Companies – AltGov 2

https://www.genomeweb.com/scan/scott-gottlieb-goes-back-his-old-job

 

[Tabac man]

I'm Not Sure I would want to move to a State where everyone believes that everyone in California is Aligned with the views that come out of San Francisco?

But I guess that would be Silly to think that Everyone in a state felt that way. Because it would be the Same type of Stereotypical thinking as to say everyone in Texas uses Skoal and drives a Pickup Truck with a Gun Rack.

Just say'n ya all.

I thought Texans looked like this...

 

[puffon]

The big "players" in the FDA, CDC, BT, and BP are all part of a revolving door.

Former CDC director was forced to resign because of owning stock in tobacco.
Current Surgeon General owns stock in tobacco.
Former FDA Director resigns for high position with former healthcare investment team.

CDC director resigns after report on tobacco stock purchase | Science | AAAS

The Surgeon General Owns Stock in Tobacco Companies – AltGov 2

https://www.genomeweb.com/scan/scott-gottlieb-goes-back-his-old-job

and there is this commissioner:
Former FDA Commissioner Charged in RICO Lawsuit - AHRP

 

[Blitzdonlife]

I thought Texans looked like this...

Yeehaw

 

[stols001]

I got my first opiod counseling today. It was for TEMAZEPAM. I was like, "Lady, this is not an opioid." She was like, "I know, it's just you are on a lot of sleep meds and--"

I was like, "I don't need counseling I have been taking this stuff for 10 years I actually take it before dinner so I can EAT something. It's not my sleep med. It also doesn't make me sleepy. Would you like to discuss the VALUIM I take throughout the day that also doesn't make me sleepy because I got used to it, and now it's fine? I'm a rapid metabolizer also and what offends me the most is NOTHING I take is opiate based. Get out of my face with your, "it's kinda long acting." I was like, thinking "YEAH long acting in yo FACE."

LOL the whole damn time I was on Suboxone, they had no idea I was taking benzos. I could swear up down and sideways that I told them, but I never tested positive because I was only taking them at night and all the metabolites were GONE in the morning.

I think I tested positive ONCE like, near the end I might have been dehydrated, They freaked. I was like, uh....

I usually fill my meds in one place, and I had never once been counseled for interactions between opioids and benzos,. Course, it has been my experience that like, most people who find out you are on a maintenance opioid want you do DIE like the revolting scum you are, anyway.

But I was amused I got my first "counseling" when I have not taken opiates... for holy crud it must be close to 8 years now.

Amusing and annoying. It was tiring out there. LOL.
Anna

 

[Haktuspit]

I got my first opiod counseling today. It was for TEMAZEPAM. I was like, "Lady, this is not an opioid." She was like, "I know, it's just you are on a lot of sleep meds and--"

I was like, "I don't need counseling I have been taking this stuff for 10 years I actually take it before dinner so I can EAT something. It's not my sleep med. It also doesn't make me sleepy. Would you like to discuss the VALUIM I take throughout the day that also doesn't make me sleepy because I got used to it, and now it's fine? I'm a rapid metabolizer also and what offends me the most is NOTHING I take is opiate based. Get out of my face with your, "it's kinda long acting." I was like, thinking "YEAH long acting in yo FACE."

LOL the whole damn time I was on Suboxone, they had no idea I was taking benzos. I could swear up down and sideways that I told them, but I never tested positive because I was only taking them at night and all the metabolites were GONE in the morning.

I think I tested positive ONCE like, near the end I might have been dehydrated, They freaked. I was like, uh....

I usually fill my meds in one place, and I had never once been counseled for interactions between opioids and benzos,. Course, it has been my experience that like, most people who find out you are on a maintenance opioid want you do DIE like the revolting scum you are, anyway.

But I was amused I got my first "counseling" when I have not taken opiates... for holy crud it must be close to 8 years now.

Amusing and annoying. It was tiring out there. LOL.
Anna

I'm sorry but what does this have to do with vaping again?

 

[Tabac man]

Maybe some folks vape the Temazepam. Folks were injecting it here when it was prescribed in the jelly capsules. Known as ''Jellies''. Nowt as queer as folk eh.

 

[Eskie]

There was this quote from Conway in that article

"So HHS and FDA have jurisdiction over cigarettes and e-cigarettes under the Tobacco Control Act. They do not have jurisdiction over vaping and vape shops, for example. So, if we’re talking about e-cigarettes, the president, yes, he’s been discussing this with his team and he will, or HHS, will make an announcement soon."

That right there gives me pause as to whether this is in any way anything other than political spin. The FDA DOES have jurisdiction over vaping and vape shops. That's what the whole freaking 500 pages of deeming regulations are about. If that obviously erroneous statement was made, IMO everything else is suspect as spin and has no relation on any action the HHS and FDA will take.

Two more days to the week. We can talk Friday evening about that quote.

 

[Zazie]

I thought Texans looked like this...

Even the women and children.

 

[NolaMel]

There was this quote from Conway in that article

"So HHS and FDA have jurisdiction over cigarettes and e-cigarettes under the Tobacco Control Act. They do not have jurisdiction over vaping and vape shops, for example. So, if we’re talking about e-cigarettes, the president, yes, he’s been discussing this with his team and he will, or HHS, will make an announcement soon."

That right there gives me pause as to whether this is in any way anything other than political spin. The FDA DOES have jurisdiction over vaping and vape shops. That's what the whole freaking 500 pages of deeming regulations are about. If that obviously erroneous statement was made, IMO everything else is suspect as spin and has no relation on any action the HHS and FDA will take.

Two more days to the week. We can talk Friday evening about that quote.

If only they could talk in circles and contradict themselves daily, it would be so helpful (NOT). I don’t think they know any more than we do, it appears they’re winging it day by day. It’s wearing me out, but I imagine the stress levels of b&m owners trying to guess how much more business they can eek out is unbearable. We can stock up, stash away.... they’re looking at not just the destruction of their dreams built on life savings, but their employees financial well being as well. Beyond sad

 

[Blitzdonlife]

Even the women and children.

Texas women do NOT look like that! Beautiful women here. Got your backs gals.

 

[stols001]

If you do not think nicotine is now part of the drug war, well perhaps my post was irrelevant. I most certainly know nicotine and comparisons to opiate like substances have been made on this thread.

I happen to be a more lax person when it comes to "drugs" who does what to themselves, and the opioid crisis and what has been being done have certainly come up. The FDA has jurisdiction now, I believe.

You may well find yourself having that conversation with your pharmacist about you nic juice if the FDA TRULY holds sway.

If my little anecdote troubled you, perhaps you could think long, deep and hard about what idiots (including pharmacists) do about "drugs."

Or not, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, that's for sure. You need not either.

Anna

 

[Zazie]

Texas women do NOT look like that! Beautiful women here. Got your backs gals.

The kids, however . . .

 

[NolaMel]

The kids, however . . .

zazie lol
Have you not seen pageant kids from Texas? Everything’s bigger in Texas from the hair, to the smiles to the hospitality . It’s the South, baby!

 

[Blitzdonlife]

The kids, however . . .

What kids don't like 10 gal hats, texan or otherwise? My niece will make a hat out of the dogfood dish. Since it's made of steel, does that make her a motor-head? Forget those dang boxes, she is a person, and I'll defend her unto my death.

 

[Horselady154]

The big "players" in the FDA, CDC, BT, and BP are all part of a revolving door.

Former CDC director was forced to resign because of owning stock in tobacco.
Current Surgeon General owns stock in tobacco.
Former FDA Director resigns for high position with former healthcare investment team.

CDC director resigns after report on tobacco stock purchase | Science | AAAS

The Surgeon General Owns Stock in Tobacco Companies – AltGov 2

https://www.genomeweb.com/scan/scott-gottlieb-goes-back-his-old-job

I don't agree that Gottlieb resigned FOR a position on a board. I don't think that is fair at all. He said he resigned so that he could be with his family. After he did, he was offered a position on a board and honestly, who here would turn down easy money for a board meeting once a month? Given that he STILL speaks out that adult vapers should be separated from the teen vapers and that vaping products shouldn't be kept from adult vapers, I believe him.

 

[NolaMel]

I don't agree that Gottlieb resigned FOR a position on a board. I don't think that is fair at all. He said he resigned so that he could be with his family. After he did, he was offered a position on a board and honestly, who here would turn down easy money for a board meeting once a month? Given that he STILL speaks out that adult vapers should be separated from the teen vapers and that vaping products shouldn't be kept from adult vapers, I believe him.

I’d more believe he quit because he was between a rock and a hard place. Given his stance on adult vapers, I imagine he was getting pressure to toe the company line. Saying you’re quitting to spend more time with your wife and children sounds more noble than what he probably wished he could say. Given he has a family to support, I think he took the gracious way out.

 

[Horselady154]

I’d more believe he quit because he was between a rock and a hard place. Given his stance on adult vapers, I imagine he was getting pressure to toe the company line. Saying you’re quitting to spend more time with your wife and children sounds more noble than what he probably wished he could say. Given he has a family to support, I think he took the gracious way out.

Could be. My point is that I don't believe that he quit so he could sell us out to the highest bidder. He was damn good in that position with the FDA. We could have done far worse.