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I had flashbacks from "dr.House" on Vicodine after reading your recent posts

I cannot tell you how very honored I was by this. LOL. :lol::lol::lol:.

Mine was tramadol for treatment resistant depression. It worked great... Until it didn't. At the time (this was decades ago) there was not a SHRED of evidence it was addictive the drug company swore up down and sideways it was "different." I was so glad when they finally scheduled it.

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I don't agree that Gottlieb resigned FOR a position on a board. I don't think that is fair at all. He said he resigned so that he could be with his family. After he did, he was offered a position on a board and honestly, who here would turn down easy money for a board meeting once a month? Given that he STILL speaks out that adult vapers should be separated from the teen vapers and that vaping products shouldn't be kept from adult vapers, I believe him.

I’d more believe he quit because he was between a rock and a hard place. Given his stance on adult vapers, I imagine he was getting pressure to toe the company line. Saying you’re quitting to spend more time with your wife and children sounds more noble than what he probably wished he could say. Given he has a family to support, I think he took the gracious way out.
For the record, I actually agree with both of you. Gottlieb was a poor example of the point I was trying to make of government department heads taking advantage of their positions and having a conflict of interest because of their personal business dealings vs professional responsibilities.
 
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Is it gritty like Roma tomatoes?
Had a friend who was forced to move there for work long ago. Her descriptions made it seem very third world. So gritty? Yes. Like Roma tomatos? That’s random.

Roma tomatoes were developed many years ago as a machine pickable crop for making tomato sauce. They became popular for a while because they were resistant to gassing but also resilient enough that they could be shipped ripe. For some years they were the only vine ripened tomatoes that could be bought in supermarkets and became wildly popular for their relatively superior flavor. So of course a gassable variety was developed. The days of good tasting Roma tomatoes are long gone.
 

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For the record, I actually agree with both of you. Gottlieb was a poor example of the point I was trying to make of government department heads taking advantage of their positions and having a conflict of interest because of their personal business dealings.

Point taken, few leave a top governmental spot or a near top spot to then go into poverty stricken obscurity. Most use their former office to move on to greater fame (maybe) and fortune (definitely). I understood your point. I found it quit clear.
 

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Had a friend who was forced to move there for work long ago. Her descriptions made it seem very third world. So gritty? Yes. Like Roma tomatos? That’s random.

Roma tomatoes were developed many years ago as a machine pickable crop for making tomato sauce. They became popular for a while because they were resistant to gassing but also resilient enough that they could be shipped ripe. For some years they were the only vine ripened tomatoes that could be bought in supermarkets and became wildly popular for their relatively superior flavor. So of course a gassable variety was developed. The days of good tasting Roma tomatoes are long gone.

Unless you grow them yourself! ;)
 

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Point taken, few leave a top governmental spot or a near top spot to then go into poverty stricken obscurity. Most use their former office to move on to greater fame (maybe) and fortune (definitely). I understood your point. I found it quit clear.
Diddnt used to be that way. The whole immense wealth upon leaving office thing is something that began in earnest in the 80’s.
 

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Why grow an industrial variety though? If you don’t have to ship them there are still better tasting tomatoes. Roma’s were a weird artifact of the industrial manufacturing process of the 1960’s

I grow a Roma/San Marzano/Amish Paste hybrid of my own devising. Plum tomatoes are the best for paste and sauce. Less water. The flavor is actually very good for eating, if they are home grown and ripened on the vine.
 

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I grow a Roma/San Marzano/Amish Paste hybrid of my own devising. Plum tomatoes are the best for paste and sauce. Less water. The flavor is actually very good for eating, if they are home grown and ripened on the vine.
I tried growing ROmas this past summer and they were almost inedible raw. Super thick leathery skin. I ended up peeling them and seeding them and turning them into salsa which I canned.

Will be hunting another determinate variety for next summer. This year was a bust.
 

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I tried growing ROmas this past summer and they were almost inedible raw. Super thick leathery skin. I ended up peeling them and seeding them and turning them into salsa which I canned.

Will be hunting another determinate variety for next summer. This year was a bust.

Wow. Mine sure aren't like that. Maybe I should send you some seeds from my cross. Don't know how they would do in your climate and soil, but maybe worth a try. They are indeterminate, but I pinch the growing tips when they reach about 5 feet.
 

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Wow. Mine sure aren't like that. Maybe I should send you some seeds from my cross. Don't know how they would do in your climate and soil, but maybe worth a try. They are indeterminate, but I pinch the growing tips when they reach about 5 feet.
I am container gardening due to living in an apartment. Indeterminate really doesn't work. TY for the offer it is very kind.
 

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Wow. Mine sure aren't like that. Maybe I should send you some seeds from my cross. Don't know how they would do in your climate and soil, but maybe worth a try. They are indeterminate, but I pinch the growing tips when they reach about 5 feet.
It’s an issue. Roma’s were designed for industrial processing where skinning wasn’t a problem. Thick skin helped with shipping.
The older garden varieties are referred collectively to as “heirloom” these days. @Myrany is apparently doing a Roma heirloom cross.
 

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Romas are good for canning sauce. They produce a higher acid, higher sugar fruit, both qualities make it preferable to other varieties for canning. Heirloom varieties exist if I remember correctly (my memory is 50/50). I intended to grow tomatoes this year, but... I waited too long to get them started, so I saved the seeds for next year instead.
 

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Romas are good for canning sauce. They produce a higher acid, higher sugar fruit, both qualities make it preferable to other varieties for canning. Heirloom varieties exist if I remember correctly (my memory is 50/50). I intended to grow tomatoes this year, but... I waited too long to get them started, so I saved the seeds for next year instead.
It’s literally what they were designed for. The vine ripening thing which caused their supermarket popularity in the 70’s is the only reason they’re visible to the general public at all. They’re an absolutely gigantic plum tomato. A crazy artifact of traditional style genetic manipulation. Like French bulldogs. So are heirloom tomatoes of course. They were bred for different traits.
 

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