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    I believe otherwise, at least here in Florida the government has done everything they can to minimize the numbers including ordering the person in charge of their statistics to lie and keeping the health department from doing their job.

    Fired Florida Data Scientist Launches A Coronavirus Dashboard Of Her Own

    Florida health directors told not to give schools advice on reopening
    Her #s are very close to what's being reported by FDOH.
    Of course, getting accurate test results are difficult as every patient that has tested positive, gets multiple subsequent tests, but each test goes to the total count, as well as many patient deaths are being reported as C19 when the cause is not C19. (my sister is a nurse and confirms this is happening)
    You might be happy to see #s have been trending down the past few weeks.
    But we are way off topic....
     

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    Wait, you believe the covid-19 numbers are being falsely inflated?
    "Our" CDC allowed hospitals/municipalities to indicate the cause of death as covid if it was suspected, but not necessarily proven by testing. Government payments to medical facilities were higher if the death was covid. The fact that someone died, who had tested positive, does not mean that person died of the Coronavirus. But, it can be reported as such. [Many guys die in old age having mild prostate cancer, but without the prostate cancer actually causing the death. It's not reported as being caused by the prostate tumor.]
    You can find numerous incidents such as this: a guy died in a motorcycle accident, his autopsy showing he tested positive, a doctor said it was perfectly reasonable to attribute the cause of death to Coronavirus, since the virus may have caused him to crash. Huh?
    The politicians who have stuck us with the lockups CANNOT ever admit to being wrong. Think about it. If they do, they will have to face the 40 million people they've put out of work, some of whom are starving, some of whom died because they deferred other medical help because they were caused to be too scared to go do it, or because governments forced hospitals to turn away patients except for the corona patients.
    I'll not post here again on this [though I may on other ECF threads, LOL] since it's "off topic", but I get very sad about what when the history is written will turn out to be the biggest public policy and medical blunder of all times.
     

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    MacTechVpr

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    I also think I should get my taxes back, you know the ones that were "paying for my extra healthcare" except they DON'T because smokers die younger? I would like those. Yes, l would like the government to PAY me back for all my harm reduction efforts and industry. It's really not EASY to get a giant freezer full of nic across country but the husband managed it AND plugged it in most nights. It is in fine shape.

    Anna

    And FASTER Anna, going back to my days in charge of reviewing anti-smoking policies at the int'l corp with which I was engaged: The stats showed smokers demise came substantially more suddenly than non-smokers after onset of serious illness. So yeah, the extra healthcare myth has given the smoking tax addicts a lot of traction through the years. No sense giving up on that golden goose.

    Good luck. :)
     
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    MacTechVpr

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    Figures lie, and liars figure…

    "COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death."

    New ICD code introduced for COVID-19 deaths

    That's how you get motorcycle fatalities resulting from COVID19.

    If you build it, they will come.

    Good luck. :)
     
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    mikepetro

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    Did mine.

    I wonder what role a survey like this plays in the process.
    It generates statistical evidence that vaping helps get people off of tobacco, and lots of other stats useful when trying to convince 3 letter agencies to allow your company to exist.
     

    Katya

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    I just got this from Hoosier_e-cig. Haven't had a chance to check it out yet.


    Please help us help Baker White complete the FDA PMTA process
    by completing this survey (Link Below):
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    But wait, there's more. :)

    From Kristin, posted in CASAA forum.

    "Without those who were courageous enough to start a vape biz in these uncertain and confusing times, consumers wouldn't have the choices they do. Here YOU can help those businesses submitting FDA Pre-Marketing Tobacco Applications!

    Open Surveys for Independent PMTAs - CASAA "
     

    Katya

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    Figures lie, and liars figure…

    "COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death."

    New ICD code introduced for COVID-19 deaths

    That's how you get motorcycle fatalities resulting from COVID19.

    If you build it, they will come.

    Good luck. :)

    Your link is being blocked.

    Is this it?

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/...w-ICD-code-introduced-for-COVID-19-deaths.pdf

    But, as @newyork13 pointed out, hospitals get reimbursed at a higher rate for Covid diagnoses.
     
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    Katya

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    If everyone's personal life was made public we would truly see how crazy everyone is, especially the politicians [emoji16]

    There's private life, which should remain private because it really is nobody's business, and then there's criminal behavior. When you commit a crime, you lose your right to privacy. And she committed several crimes. Can you imagine what would have happened if she were a man and did the same thing?
     

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    There's private life, which should remain private because it really is nobody's business, and then there's criminal behavior. When you commit a crime, you lose your right to privacy. And she committed several crimes. Can you imagine what would have happened if she were a man and did the same thing?

    Yeah, that's unfortunate that this muddles the situation in every direction. Could not find a very good exposition on why her variations. But I did note her inclusion of certain unspecified sources of data in compilations. So I have to wonder just how much presumption was going on. Have been tracking her numbers throughout regardless. Clues, always clues. The CDC's continuing redefinition of classification on "death" is a moving target which makes this all moot though. Government loves discretion. Vaping has served them well as a laboratory.

    Regardless, we reached 10k deaths for FL this week out of 21mio residents. Do the numbers for mortality as a percentage. Compare this vs any virus.

    Good luck. :)
     
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    Katya

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    Yeah, that's unfortunate that this muddles the situation in every direction. Could not find a very good exposition on why her variations. But I did note her inclusion of certain unspecified sources of data in compilations. So I have to wonder just how much presumption was going on. Have been tracking her numbers throughout regardless. Clues, always clues. The CDC's continuing redefinition of classification on "death" is a moving target which makes this all moot though. Government loves discretion. Vaping has served them well as a laboratory.

    Good luck. :)

    Determining a precise cause of death in very sick patients, especially those who are elderly and/or with multiple comorbidities, is always difficult if not impossible. So the attending physician usually has to take an educated guess. Add money and politics, and the diagnosis becomes even trickier.

    As for Ms. Jones, she seems to be getting a lot of support for her efforts. ;)

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    Figures lie, and liars figure…

    "COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death."

    New ICD code introduced for COVID-19 deaths

    That's how you get motorcycle fatalities resulting from COVID19.

    If you build it, they will come.

    Good luck. :)
    Worked in medical billing some time ago. Stuff got coded incorrectly ALL THE TIME. Honestly, if you ever have a claim denied by your insurance, always try to check with the provider about the codes used on the claim. A lot of times if they send it through with a different code it'll get paid.
     

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