DNA250C Replay - what's the big deal?

[ShowerHead]

Appreciate your feedback... I've been desiring a Therion or Paranormal shaped device for some time and it's the one gap in my collection... have the chance to grab a 250c for under $120 right now, and I guess i'm asking- do I need it... beyond what my current DNA250's offer.

I'm a LONG time DNA user, along with a few other quality chips.
The 75c and 250c are better chips than the previous 75 and 250. Both will handle higher power, so should have better internal circuitry. For me, I am a TC vaper, it's all I do and on the same tanks/coils. I'm familiar with the vape. The 75c did a wee bit better than an older 75 and was tied with the 250 (167 for me as 18650s). The 250c is noticeably faster to fire, for EScribe load and program, and has better vape. Plus, with the 250c you can once again perform your own mod resistance test with a copper 510 plug. Then there's the whole EScribe on the mod thing. I love the new system.

You know your going to get one, take the deal.

 

[Fidola13]

Has anyone done a custom ss316 curve to download yet. Just as with my 75C the default ss 316 settings are limpid. I’ve looked on the Evolv forum, DJLs site and Steam Engines but couldn’t find anything.

Thanks

 

[ShowerHead]

Has anyone done a custom ss316 curve to download yet. Just as with my 75C the default ss 316 settings are limpid. I’ve looked on the Evolv forum, DJLs site and Steam Engines but couldn’t find anything.

If you already have one, just add it to the material list.
Material is ok from model to model. Other items, not always.

 

[Fidola13]

If you already have one, just add it to the material list.
Material is ok from model to model. Other items, not always.

Just to be clear you’re saying I can use the same profile that I used for the 75C. Well that makes sense duh lol! Thank you!

 

[Walee]

Been vapin on the Paranormal 250C for about a week now and I perceive the recall vape to be a VW experience. I'm sure it shares some previously considered TC technology but that's where it stops. So fine, you're vapin away adjusting your power setting and of course warming up the atty and maybe testing different draws. You finally have a "puff" you would like to repeat. You press save. Replay does give me the perception of recreating that vape. I can put it down, let it cool, pick it up and first vape is the same (per my perception) as the last. And yes, you can deplete the coil of juice and the thing will not dry hit. It's been great while working with the band where I want a quick vape between songs. Sometimes I use the replay, sometimes I use the TC. Each have their own beatitudes. It's not a monumental, life changing feature to me. It's nice and a welcome addition. So is having the menu system of the C board. So is the overall form, fit, function, and appearance of the Paranormal. To top it off, the price did not go through the roof. Pretty much stayed stable with the 75C Paranormal, and Therions. Big deal? Not really. That's called marketing hype. Something this industry thrives on.

 

[bombastinator]

I honestly don't see what the big deal is about the DNA 250C and its replay function.

By all accounts I've seen, it doesn't work on wire materials that can't reliably do temperature control. So unless you're using stainless steel wire and not using TC, it's of no use.

It's designed to let the user replicate that perfect puff on stainless steel wire, over and over, and never get a dry hit. That's cool but that's what TC already does.

Apparently, under some conditions the mod doesn't do the replay right and the perfect vape is lost until you re-dial it. Such as, you set up and save the replay out on the patio. Then go inside. Then come get the mod and take it with you back inside. Set it down for a bit and then try to vape and... ouch. That sounds like TC--set the resistance at room temperature, lock it (or let the mod lock it for you), and you get the perfect vape inside or outside. Don't set resistance at room temp and you're drawing to a gutshot straight.

The only people I could see really liking this capability are people who are brand new vapers who know diddly about TC, those who have all the patience of a Starbucks customer, or both. Most brand new vapers use drop in coils that suck at TC, so... How likely is it that they'll get something worthwhile?

If you understand temperature control and use it successfully, of what benefit is this new feature of this new chip?

I'm not trying to knock what may be a great new paradigm. Just trying to understand what it might do for me.

The reason I’d like to try it is that I could never make TC work to my satisfaction. I messed about with it for weeks but every hit was like that last sort of barely there warning hit just before the dry hit because you forgot to refill. I’m hoping I can get TC WITHOUT the annoying complication and mediocre results

 

[Walee]

The reason I’d like to try it is that I could never make TC work to my satisfaction. I messed about with it for weeks but every hit was like that last sort of barely there warning hit just before the dry hit because you forgot to refill. I’m hoping I can get TC WITHOUT the annoying complication and mediocre results

You will most likely be disappointed. TC works the same way it always has on the 250c.

 

[bombastinator]

You will most likely be disappointed. TC works the same way it always has on the 250c.

Well, yes, except for replay which is arguably a kind of TC to begin with. You speak as if you have already tried it. One reason I was holding out is I’m waiting on in-the-wild info on how well it works. Do you have any?

 

[Walee]

Well, yes, except for replay which is arguably a kind of TC to begin with. You speak as if you have already tried it. One reason I was holding out is I’m waiting on in-the-wild info on how well it works. Do you have any?

Yes I do, lol. Sorry.... Just look three posts up line. I've got the Paranormal.

 

[bombastinator]

deleted to to question already being answered

 

[Walee]

So is replay the killer app it was touted as?

I don't think I can answer that categorically. It does a pretty good job of what Escribe/DNA said it would. You can "save" a vape experience and the mod will give the perception of recreating it. Like I wrote earlier, I do enjoy using it sometimes and find it a welcome addition. I haven't stopped using any of my other mods because if it's superiority. It isn't like some kind of nirvana or anything like that. For me it made a very good mod a bit better.

 

[bombastinator]

I don't think I can answer that categorically. It does a pretty good job of what Escribe/DNA said it would. You can "save" a vape experience and the mod will give the perception of recreating it. Like I wrote earlier, I do enjoy using it sometimes and find it a welcome addition. I haven't stopped using any of my other mods because if it's superiority. It isn't like some kind of nirvana or anything like that. For me it made a very good mod a bit better.

I’ve found TC to be effectively non functional for me . Getting it to work “right” eludes me, so I ignore it. I’m hoping it will make TC functional for me

 

[untar]

Replay on the 75c is out!

For anyone with a 75c wanting to try Replay, here's a short step-by-step to enable it quickly (and not dick around for an hour like certain people )
1. dload and install SP15
2. connect device and upgrade firmware
3. enable Replay in at least one profile
4. under "Theme" click on "Default Theme"
5. upload settings to device
6. select the profile you enabled Replay on and vape your f bits off

Early Firmware and EScribe Suite
Linux:
Escribe Linux | DNA200 German Crew
Download the international version, not the US one.

 

[bombastinator]

So does it work with the therion 75c bf ? How well? Iirc there was a statement somewhere that they were having trouble getting replay to work on single battery 75Cs. Has that been licked? Was it ever even true?

 

[untar]

It's on my therion BF right now and working beautifully. They apparently had to solve some problems, yes, but they released it at about the time I expected them to (I have some limited experience in embedded systems so I know the drill).

 

[bombastinator]

It's on my therion BF right now and working beautifully. They apparently had to solve some problems, yes, but they released it at about the time I expected them to (I have some limited experience in embedded systems so I know the drill).

looks like im ordering a therion BF 75c then, assuming the moddification necessary isnt something im likely to screw up. Is it?

 

[untar]

Nah, it's easy when you know how. After firmware upgrade you just have to upload the so called default theme (in theme tab) and enable replay on a profile. Was just a bit of work to find out that's what one is supposed to do.

 

[RayofLight62]

From a technical standpoint, TC systems conduct calculations, and controls electrical quantities, by using absolute values. Replay systems do the same calculations by using relative entities.
I.E., the cold coil resistance is replaced with the resistance at begin of the puff, the TCR of the wire is calculated based on the pattern / profile of puff, and so on.
A bit of algorithmic AI brought to the vaping world, it can't be bad.

 

[Chodi]

I did this upgrade today on one of my DNA75C mods. It did the upgrade of the international service pack without any problem even though I had the US version of Escribe installed. The service pack took care of that conversion. I then installed one of the latest themes I found on the Evolv web site. It was one of the themes that claimed to include Replay and had been upgraded just yesterday by the developer. I did not use the default theme just as a matter of preference.

Now here is what I found as the result. Everything including Replay seems to be functioning perfectly. I have only had this running as of today so I am not going to comment on Replay without further use. My initial impression is that it is great for those people who were not proficient in TC on DNA mods in the past. What surprised me was that the upgrade service pack made a significant improvement to the way TC vapes. I can't account for that except to say that I am getting an obviously better vape in TC with SS316L than I was getting before. They must have included some changes other than Replay in this edition. Whatever they did it is awesome. I will probably get to playing with Replay more over the next few days but for those that already are comfortable with Escribe and TC I am not sure it is a game changer. I may feel differently after more experience with it.

 

[jazzvaper]

From a technical stand point...

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A bit of algorithmic AI brought to the vaping world, it can't be bad.

In my former-former-former life I needed to be conversant with several engineering disciplines (to speak with experts, with expertise). EE’s were always easiest to communicate with. [emoji106]

I urge non-technical 250C users to observe “Puff Info” under the “System” screen. That screen provides real-time results/report of Power, Temp, and Battery.

This is effectively a reduced eScribe in-the-palm-of-your-hand.

This has nothing to do with “AI”. As I suggested above, this is part of the output Evolv’s ‘black box’ algorithm; one we can only experience, not see...or know.