Do you agree or disagree?
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I'm sorry, i disagree with the letter as it is written.
I agree with asking for disclosure, however i do not believe that simply stating that a particular product has this within it goes far enough. I did not know what Diacetyl was before this exploded onto the forums. And, i would think its safe to assume that many people, including other new comers, would have no idea what Diacetyl's effects are either. Most certainly wont know that there are differant health effects when ingesting this versus inhaling this.
I think it is reasonable to assume that a conscerned user could see that this is not a bad ingredient when ingested. And, they may very well stop the investigation there, not looking any further to discover that there is a differance between ingesting and inhaling this product. In this situation, i think that suppliers needs to differentiate its effects on the human body when it is inhaled vs when it is ingested so that there will be no confusion as to what this ingredient's effects are.
I think that not doing so is sketchy at best, and liable at worst.
I agree with asking for disclosure, however i do not believe that simply stating that a particular product has this within it goes far enough. I did not know what Diacetyl was before this exploded onto the forums. And, i would think its safe to assume that many people, including other new comers, would have no idea what Diacetyl's effects are either. Most certainly wont know that there are differant health effects when ingesting this versus inhaling this.
I think it is reasonable to assume that a conscerned user could see that this is not a bad ingredient when ingested. And, they may very well stop the investigation there, not looking any further to discover that there is a differance between ingesting and inhaling this product. In this situation, i think that suppliers needs to differentiate its effects on the human body when it is inhaled vs when it is ingested so that there will be no confusion as to what this ingredient's effects are.
I think that not doing so is sketchy at best, and liable at worst.
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I have no opinion on the letter being posted in the supplier forum.
However, based on this:
It would seem that anyone that consumes alcohol in any volume, no matter how infrequently, doesn't really have any cause for concern over diacetyl in e-juice. Teetotalers are a different story, I s'pose.
I'm jus' sayin'.
However, based on this:
It would seem that anyone that consumes alcohol in any volume, no matter how infrequently, doesn't really have any cause for concern over diacetyl in e-juice. Teetotalers are a different story, I s'pose.
I'm jus' sayin'.
Just going to use this as an example of my previous post in this thread. And as an example for why simply stating that this compound is used in this product can be missleading to many rational, and intellegent people.
I'm guessing those that are going to weigh in have done so? Or maybe because it dropped off the front page it was getting lost.
I don't care about diacytl (it was a huge issue in homebrewing forums years and years ago) but I fully support peaceful, market actions and I'm personally a fan of knowing what's in the products I'm putting into my body.
So I fully support this effort.
So I fully support this effort.
I agree in that I think all juice manufacturers should list all the ingredients they put into their e-juice, as well as concentrations of each (maybe in percentage form.) Everything we consume in the USA has a list of ingredients, from cookies to vitamins. Why should e-juice be any different? And I am including flavorings in that. Why shouldn't we know the chemicals that give us flavor in our juice? It would be better for the consumer, and it would show the FDA that e-juice manufacturers have nothing to hide. Open and full disclosure, I say. If this stuff is as safe as everyone maintains, then say what's in it and put your money where your mouth is.
As for diacetyl specifically, I am only just now starting to learn about it, so PLEASE don't flame me too hard if what I say next is somewhat naive, but if it's such a controversial substance, and if it's causing people stress over its safety as an inhaled substance, why does it even need to be used at all? What's the upside to continuing to incorporate it into e-juice formulas? It seems to me that keeping it in despite the general public's concerns is not much different from big tobacco tossing unsafe additives into cigarettes to "improve" them, despite knowing that they were unsafe.
Juice makers need to be above that, and dropping diacetyl altogether would be a good move on their part, or so it seems to me.
As for diacetyl specifically, I am only just now starting to learn about it, so PLEASE don't flame me too hard if what I say next is somewhat naive, but if it's such a controversial substance, and if it's causing people stress over its safety as an inhaled substance, why does it even need to be used at all? What's the upside to continuing to incorporate it into e-juice formulas? It seems to me that keeping it in despite the general public's concerns is not much different from big tobacco tossing unsafe additives into cigarettes to "improve" them, despite knowing that they were unsafe.
Juice makers need to be above that, and dropping diacetyl altogether would be a good move on their part, or so it seems to me.
Most juice vendors don't use flavors with diacetyl. Actually FlavourArt flavorings are the ones that have diacetyl in them still. Even though there are substitutions for diacetyl, which companies use the substitutions, and more specifically, which substitute they use, is still unclear. One of the substitutes is panning out to be as bad worse than diacetyl. This is why we are seeking disclosure.... so we can avoid the chemicals that we don't want to inhale as best we can. As it is now, we have no idea what we are taking into our lungs as far as chemicals in the flavorings. The best thing I can think of to do right now, is to veer from the "double shots" of flavor(buttery ones at least) and practice a little moderation.
Just a note, Linda from PA did tell me that some of their flavors do contain 2,3 pentanedione and acetoin. I hope to get more info soon.
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