*passes out & thuds onto the floor resoundingly for demonstrative purposes of the experiment, realizes just as he passes out he could not achieve optimal Pressure Per Square Inch (PSI) to boil water*
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*passes out & thuds onto the floor resoundingly for demonstrative purposes of the experiment, realizes just as he passes out he could not achieve optimal Pressure Per Square Inch (PSI) to boil water*
Leave for a day and see what I miss. *smh*
Actually, no. Temp control is actually maintaining temperature of the coil, thus dynamically adjusting it's wattage on the go while measuring resistance in the realtime.
Wattage mode is what it is - if you set, let's say, at 10W, mod will pump that power to the coil constantly, whether it's dry or wet and it will get hotter and hotter, regardless of the situation. Temp control does not allow for that to happen. Hope that makes sense.
Wattage mode is what it is - if you set, let's say, at 10W, mod will pump that power to the coil constantly, whether it's dry or wet and it will get hotter and hotter, regardless of the situation. Temp control does not allow for that to happen. Hope that makes sense.
It does make sense. But here's a question. How long do you pulse a mod to get the coil firing? I usually like five to eight seconds myself. Then, there's usually around thirty seconds to a minute, possibly longer between draws.
Doesn't the coil/s cool after a certain amount of time passing? It's not being fired so there's no constant heat on the coil/s. Do the coil materials not cool on their own after time passes?
If they do, for myself, what is the point of using temperature control? I don't see a point. Then, I'm a mech using Luddite too.
It does make sense. But here's a question. How long do you pulse a mod to get the coil firing? I usually like five to eight seconds myself. Then, there's usually around thirty seconds to a minute, possibly longer between draws.
Doesn't the coil/s cool after a certain amount of time passing? It's not being fired so there's no constant heat on the coil/s. Do the coil materials not cool on their own after time passes?
If they do, for myself, what is the point of using temperature control? I don't see a point. Then, I'm a mech using Luddite too.
I'll try to explain the temp control concept a bit clearer - you've seen mods allow to change the temperature and the actual wattage, right?
Wattage on temp control mode is just preheat power needed to ramp up to the temperature at your desired speed.
The actual temperature setting is what your mod will try to maintain under varying conditions - when taking a puff, you are actually cooling a coil with air, so mod will take that into account and will boost power, if there's enough liquid in the cotton and coil for a dry hit not to happen.
Cheaper mods with not-so-good chips will actually overshoot temperature, since they can't react quickly enough to resistance changes and make temperature adjustments. Or they read resistance way off.
Coils do cool on their own, it's like simple physics. Smaller coils cool quicker than big ones due to mass difference. Also coil material also plays some role here too.
Moreover, temp control works only with specific coil materials (Ti, Nickel, SS), because they aren't as stable as kanthal or NiChrome from resistance standpoint.
First off, the assertion that TC mode gives a faster ramp up speed is inherently flawed because in wattage mode you can use preheat in order to achieve faster ramp up also, and, by using ArcticFox firmware (on any regulated mod that can support it) in cohort with NFE Tools software you can actually even edit your own custom power curve also in addition to this. Depending on how you use them, mech mods can achieve incredibly fast ramp up due to the simple fact the voltage sag behavior of a battery typically can result in multiple hundreds of milli-volts worth of extra power output at the start of each hit.
Secondly, science has it that a fridge cools down temperature by means of evaporation. Increased airflow accelerates the evaporation rate so part of the logical reason why high wattage vapers can, if they so desire, keep their coil temperature from rising any further is just because they can adjust the airflow settings on a suitable atomizer as well as they can adjust the strength of their draw to be in balance with the speed of vapor production of course, and also it's because they can learn to build better coils that disperse heat more quickly and more uniformly into the boiling liquid whilst at the same time also attempting to maximize on the very high adsorption effect of these same advanced coils by designing them such that there will be a vastly increased number of tiny cavities and crevasses in them (e.g., alien coils or similar, choosing fairly high AWG wire to build them with, and, e.g., choosing Nichrome 80 instead of Kanthal A1 to further improve the performance of the coils with faster ramp up, etc.) through which juice can keep on being replenished at an astonishing rate.
One of the biggest reasons I don't like MTL or low wattage vaping is because the usual slow-cooking of the juice just boils all the flavor straight into oblivion before I sense vapor (which there isn't exactly a lot to be sensed anyway to begin with). That plus the fact high levels of PG tastes chemical to me... oh and, if I try to suck on MTL for 7 whole seconds I get seasick.
Secondly, science has it that a fridge cools down temperature by means of evaporation. Increased airflow accelerates the evaporation rate so part of the logical reason why high wattage vapers can, if they so desire, keep their coil temperature from rising any further is just because they can adjust the airflow settings on a suitable atomizer as well as they can adjust the strength of their draw to be in balance with the speed of vapor production of course, and also it's because they can learn to build better coils that disperse heat more quickly and more uniformly into the boiling liquid whilst at the same time also attempting to maximize on the very high adsorption effect of these same advanced coils by designing them such that there will be a vastly increased number of tiny cavities and crevasses in them (e.g., alien coils or similar, choosing fairly high AWG wire to build them with, and, e.g., choosing Nichrome 80 instead of Kanthal A1 to further improve the performance of the coils with faster ramp up, etc.) through which juice can keep on being replenished at an astonishing rate.
One of the biggest reasons I don't like MTL or low wattage vaping is because the usual slow-cooking of the juice just boils all the flavor straight into oblivion before I sense vapor (which there isn't exactly a lot to be sensed anyway to begin with). That plus the fact high levels of PG tastes chemical to me... oh and, if I try to suck on MTL for 7 whole seconds I get seasick.
That assumes there is a preheat mode. Mods like the Topside, with their oversimplified menu, can only pre-heat in TC mode. Of course, this isnt a perfect solution, as some have pointed out, this really isn't best practice, as it is a crutch of sorts. If the heat flux of the coil is so high to require more than a bump in power, the cool down will be just as bad, if not worse, but, if the temperature is set low enough, that *should* mitigate that issue too.
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Gosh I just hope we cam continue to be thoughtful and well reasoned about this. 
Mostly kidding. I might try TC on my new dicodes mod just so I can say I read the manual and can now reassemble a VW car.
To be fair, it would be the best mod to got TC nuts on. I've bee a bit of a dilettante about and using it. Maybe it would give me the best vape ever/
BTW my issue with some of these posts are they are totally subjective. You may or may not notice your tank is dangerously elevated and the person talking about pressure by using his mouth or whatever needs to go to remedial science. I am going to be kind and start that person off in 2nd grade.
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Mostly kidding. I might try TC on my new dicodes mod just so I can say I read the manual and can now reassemble a VW car.
To be fair, it would be the best mod to got TC nuts on. I've bee a bit of a dilettante about and using it. Maybe it would give me the best vape ever/
BTW my issue with some of these posts are they are totally subjective. You may or may not notice your tank is dangerously elevated and the person talking about pressure by using his mouth or whatever needs to go to remedial science. I am going to be kind and start that person off in 2nd grade.
Anna
Come join me. I'll have the teacher explain it to you.
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I usually had mine done by the end of the next class, so sure.
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Ok I now have learned that vaping at 150 watts is cooler, more flavorful, and just overall better for you then vaping at 10 watts. as if there arent numerous variables that wouldnt sway it either way. I seriously get a kick on how folks that vape big rigs at very high wattage try to push off one very important thing, juice consumption, like vaping 20 mls a day is better then let's say 2mls per day? Ok, so we can inhale as much vapor as we want and it doesn't make a bit difference, as long as the pressure and temps are ok. Thats at least what I'm getting from reading all this, that low power, less vapor inhaled in a mtl set up is more dangerous then vaping at 100 watts and inhaling 10 x's more vapor.....sounds completely ridiculous.....any set up, any wattage, can produce bad things equally if wanted.....
I vape at 7W on a 1.8ohm Nautilus BVC coil head. Temp control does nothing for me at all. Apparently, I'm doing it in such a way so as not to cause too many bad chemicals to appear. The whole thing is silly. Compared to what you were doing to yourself with tobacco, a little formaldehyde is no biggy anyway.
9W on a Kanger 1.2ohm OCC (any variety)
I go up to 11W when using one of them badass .5ohm Kanger OCC or Eleaf XFKM
No extra formaldehyde for me! Just pleasant, enjoyable vapes.
I go up to 11W when using one of them badass .5ohm Kanger OCC or Eleaf XFKM
No extra formaldehyde for me! Just pleasant, enjoyable vapes.
And those who use small rigs are completely void of vaping large quantities? Wouldn’t your consumption be based on the frequency of which you vape? Is it not possible for a large rig user to only take a hit or 2 per hour?
Regardless of how much e-juice I consume, I do so to keep me off cigarettes. 2ml, 10ml or even 40ml a day is still in my mind a million times better than sucking on a cancer stick.
Everybody like to say that vaping is 95% safer, but thats NOT what the RCP said, the ACTUAL statement made by the Royal College of Physicians
"E-cigarettes and long-term harm - the possibility of some harm from long-term e-cigarette use cannot be dismissed due to inhalation of the ingredients other than nicotine, but is likely to be very small, and substantially smaller than that arising from tobacco smoking. With appropriate product standards to minimise exposure to the other ingredients, it should be possible to reduce risks of physical health still further. Although it is not possible to estimate the long-term health risks associated with e-cigarettes precisely, the available data suggest that they are unlikely to exceed 5% of those associated with smoked tobacco products, and may well be substantially lower than this figure."
Please note the part highlighted in green. What they are saying is that there is "probably" more we can do to make vaping even safer!
Also note this statement from the University of Cambridge Cancer Institute:
"We also know that different users use different devices and liquids. So it could be that some are safer or more harmful than others. And people also use the devices in different ways. So further work needs to be done to understand these differences, so that each vaper is using their device as safely as possible."
Risk, and risk avoidance, is a personal decision. Clearly, inhaling anything other than air is probably harmful to some degree, and in some cities even the air is suspect. If you care about risk avoidance then these discussions matter. But no matter how you vape, you are avoiding more risk by vaping than if you continued smoking.
If you want to minimize risk as much as possible, then analyzing the process, and examining the results, has merit. IMHO this is done by doing unbiased and quantifiable experiments. Too much of the science out there today has a hidden agenda.
Even within our own ranks much of what is presented is anecdotal, and often just hearsay. If you are interested in further risk reduction then look for information backed by quantifiable studies and follow the money behind the studies before taking them as gospel.
"E-cigarettes and long-term harm - the possibility of some harm from long-term e-cigarette use cannot be dismissed due to inhalation of the ingredients other than nicotine, but is likely to be very small, and substantially smaller than that arising from tobacco smoking. With appropriate product standards to minimise exposure to the other ingredients, it should be possible to reduce risks of physical health still further. Although it is not possible to estimate the long-term health risks associated with e-cigarettes precisely, the available data suggest that they are unlikely to exceed 5% of those associated with smoked tobacco products, and may well be substantially lower than this figure."
Please note the part highlighted in green. What they are saying is that there is "probably" more we can do to make vaping even safer!
Also note this statement from the University of Cambridge Cancer Institute:
"We also know that different users use different devices and liquids. So it could be that some are safer or more harmful than others. And people also use the devices in different ways. So further work needs to be done to understand these differences, so that each vaper is using their device as safely as possible."
Risk, and risk avoidance, is a personal decision. Clearly, inhaling anything other than air is probably harmful to some degree, and in some cities even the air is suspect. If you care about risk avoidance then these discussions matter. But no matter how you vape, you are avoiding more risk by vaping than if you continued smoking.
If you want to minimize risk as much as possible, then analyzing the process, and examining the results, has merit. IMHO this is done by doing unbiased and quantifiable experiments. Too much of the science out there today has a hidden agenda.
Even within our own ranks much of what is presented is anecdotal, and often just hearsay. If you are interested in further risk reduction then look for information backed by quantifiable studies and follow the money behind the studies before taking them as gospel.
I'm saying it in general. Absolutely one can vape just as much in a small device as a big one.....its just that the jist I got when reading was bigger air , hi wattage tanks are more safe then lower power, smaller air tanks, so in general, the higher power tanks are going to consume much more juice.....I just think it's funny how one can put out what they think are safer points of more powerful devices, but not throw into the equation that most likely you will be inhaling much more vapor and that has to be also factored imo
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To be fair, Punk, that really wasn't his point at all. He even said "any set up, any wattage, can produce bad things equally if wanted, and "as if there aren't numerous variables..."
You used some of those variables to respond to his post. His only real point was that regardless of temps, high juice consumption possibly could be a concern tantamount to temperature. And I didn't see any implication that high volume consumption was worse than smokes.
Much of this other stuff started with a claim that all else being equal (implied), that restricted atty intake caused temperatures to "skyrocket, " due to increased pressure. I proved (sufficiently for myself, anyway) as I posted above, that it doesn't even increase the temp, but actually decreases it incrementally, at least with my setup.
I think most of us here enjoy discussing and arguing about this stuff - hey, it's interesting. But also that we're all better off than smoking. And hey - I enjoy this forum a lot more than I would have a smoking forum! Where else can you have this much fun with such a spirited discussion of theoretical physics?
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To be fair, Punk, that really wasn't his point at all. He even said "any set up, any wattage, can produce bad things equally if wanted, and "as if there aren't numerous variables..."
You used some of those variables to respond to his post. His only real point was that regardless of temps, high juice consumption possibly could be a concern tantamount to temperature. And I didn't see any implication that high volume consumption was worse than smokes.
Much of this other stuff started with a claim that all else being equal (implied), that restricted atty intake caused temperatures to "skyrocket, " due to increased pressure. I proved (sufficiently for myself, anyway) as I posted above, that it doesn't even increase the temp, but actuall decreases it incrementally, at least with my setup.
I think most of us here enjoy discussing and arguing about this stuff - hey, it's interesting. But also that we're all better off than smoking. And hey - I enjoy this forum a lot more than I would have a smoking forum! Where else can you have this much fun with such a spirited discussion of theoretical physics?
I did not see an earlier post condescending certain setups so I can now understand the repose given. I have no comment on said earlier post for I do not wish to get into the usual dispute with the individual.
As for earlier comments on restricted atomizers causing temperature to skyrocket. I ran my own test using Escribe but plotted the resistance of a SS coil to which I found the coil to be hotter due to a greater increase in resistance under the same conditions when the airflow was closed down. Same coil, same atty, same power and same duration of pull (BTW, Escribe Device Manager has preset puff durations from 1 second to 10. Removes counting Mississippi!).
I wouldn’t say the coil temperature skyrocketed, but the difference was enough to take note of. I did not save the test and if I feel up to it will run it again later and post screen grabs. Not sure why Escribe gave you a different result, I would have to try and recreate to give an opinion. But not willing to conclude it is due to an increase of pressure unless someone can come up with the objective data that states so. Mike objectively measured with a Digital Manometer but this seems to be disputed.
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