e-liquid & being arrested/car searched etc

[Robert]

You should change the title of this thread before you make the site crash!

and the answer is - No

 

[Bigbob]

However I am entitled to my opinion, even if my opinion is that your wrong about some things, or that you should be quiet cause your annoying, or whatever else my opinion is. I offered a piece of information that had facts behind it, along with my opinion, which was all I had intended to say.

Wow, you're almost there. So you are only entitled to your opinion, as long as no one finds it annoying or you're wrong?

 

[Kelly79]

...........

 

[Bigbob]

No I never said he wasn't entitled to his opinion, my opinion is simply that perhaps he should be silent, and like him, I am entitled to my opinion. Besides it was only a suggestion, it's not like I told him to shut the F up. His opinion seems to be that I am a blind stupid child, none of which I am. Anyways, I'm done here, this is boring. I'm gonna go smoke my e-cig and find a discussion thread that hasn't devolved into anti-government rhetoric.

I give....you'll never learn.

Sorry to everyone else in this post for the derailment.

 

[edlogic]

When you start making sense, and having an actual point rather than just spouting anti-government baloney people might listen. A society must have rules and if you don't like them you can either just complain about it, do something about it, or leave. It's the people who you complain about who make your freedom possible. You want to see tyranny, there are plenty of places in the world that if you'd expressed any of the sentiments which you have here they'd kill you for it without law or hesitation. The law doesn't exist to protect you from the government it exists to maintain order. The Constitution is not in itself a law and was never intended to be such, the phrase constitutional law is in regards to the study, practice, interpretation, and administration of the laws set forth by a countries constitution. The Constitution is a guiding document not a law in and of itself.

And no I am not on a terrorist list, anywhere, I know that for a fact.

Maybe he is educated, but it doesn't mean he's right, I am educated too, but it doesn't mean I'm right either. However I am entitled to my opinion, even if my opinion is that your wrong about some things, or that you should be quiet cause your annoying, or whatever else my opinion is. I offered a piece of information that had facts behind it, along with my opinion, which was all I had intended to say. I know there are bad cops and crooked courts out there and that the government can act like a big bad bully, so does pretty much everyone. That does not change the fact that the police officers do not make those laws, they do not set statutes, they just enforce them, that's their job. I would rather deal with the fact of a few overzealous cops, than one that do not do their jobs correctly and therefore leave drug dealers loose on the streets.

my uneducated deduction from reading your ideals is that you do not appear to belong here in this country

you would have never rebelled against the king no matter how much he raped you and your family as long as he maintained his definition of order and he had his court rule that it was permissible for him to carry on in that manner

my assumption is that you are a terrrrrrisssst against the american ideology :

that we should live free or die - come hell or high disorder

it makes sense that you would want to run all the constitutionalists out of the country

i bet you are with that new world order crowd and the united nations aren't you

AHAHAHHAHAHAHA - you won't win - no matter how many college degrees you have after your name
AHAHAHAHHAHAHA

because the love and spirit of freedom is stronger than all the 1 2 3 ' s and a b c ' s in the world

down with the new world order and up with the old world disorder

hahaha - i have to get silly now because you are winning the fight so bad that i want to make sure you are secure in your belief that i am not making any actual points because you might call homeland security on me for defending the constitution

i give up now - you win - you can have the last word and say to me -

" i told you the court said you don't matter and since the court said you don't matter - you and your opinion doesn't matter - i know you don't matter because the court told me so - i learned that in government school and they told me that people like you should shut up or be shut up or just move away or be moved away - else we will make another law in the court and teach in our government school that you should be shot just like they did those uneducated disorderly rebellious loudmouth dim witts in the nazi fatherland ( er homeland ) "

 

[Luv2Vapor]

Freedom of speech is a beautiful thing which we all are still entitled to. One poster expressed his concerns and posted the videos as to why he was concerned and was berated for expressing his concerns. His concerns are shared by many Americans and if you do searches on youtube you'll find many more people and videos expressing these concerns, including what the Patriot Act means and can do. So to try to stifle someone for bringing up real fears, in my opinion, is counter productive. If you disagree explain why and show your videos or links as to why you feel you're more informed than many other fellow Americans. Otherwise your freedom of speech resembles bullying or at the very least condescending anger problems. If you want to disagree do it on the level of the person you disagree with, don't try to shut them down.

 

[Kelly79]

Freedom of speech is a beautiful thing which we all are still entitled to. One poster expressed his concerns and posted the videos as to why he was concerned and was berated for expressing his concerns. His concerns are shared by many Americans and if you do searches on youtube you'll find many more people and videos expressing these concerns, including what the Patriot Act means and can do. So to try to stifle someone for bringing up real fears, in my opinion, is counter productive. If you disagree explain why and show your videos or links as to why you feel you're more informed than many other fellow Americans. Otherwise your freedom of speech resembles bullying or at the very least condescending anger problems. If you want to disagree do it on the level of the person you disagree with, don't try to shut them down.

I didn't berate anyone. I worry about what the Patriot Act could unleash too, but apparently anyone who is not anti-government is unwelcome. I don't believe our government, or the people who make and enforce the laws are perfect, but cop bashing is not expressing fears.

 

[Kelly79]

you would have never rebelled against the king no matter how much he raped you and your family as long as he maintained his definition of order and he had his court rule that it was permissible for him to carry on in that manner

"

That was uncalled for.

 

[Luv2Vapor]

Perhaps berate was too harsh a word. But you did tell him to be quiet and inferred he wasn't informed although he tried to back his arguments with videos. At any rate I like diversity of thought and I like it when people provide videos to helps up contemplate info that is not in the mainstream, that is why I love youtube and many of it's users. Sorry if I offended you, I was more interested in defending the other poster(s) and videos. Edlogic and Bigbob, let freedom ring!

 

[Luv2Vapor]

I meant "to help us" not "to helps up". HELP, LOL

 

[Kelly79]

Perhaps berate was too harsh a word. But you did tell him to be quiet and inferred he wasn't informed although he tried to back his arguments with videos. At any rate I like diversity of thought and I like it when people provide videos to helps up contemplate info that is not in the mainstream, that is why I love youtube and many of it's users. Sorry if I offended you, I was more interested in defending the other poster(s) and videos. Edlogic and Bigbob, let freedom ring!

I suggested perhaps he should remain silent on the subject of Constitutional law since he was completely factually wrong about what he had said. Which was the legality of the search, and whether it violated a the Fourth Amendment's protections about unreasonable search and seizure, and provided the evidence thereof. I didn't say I liked that it was that way or that I think it is okay that it is that way. I was simply correcting a factual error from somebody making insulting and inflammatory comments and all I've gotten in turn is berated, insulted and had a significant amount of VERY insulting assumptions made about me.

 

[Bigbob]

I suggested perhaps he should remain silent on the subject of Constitutional law since he was completely factually wrong about what he had said. Which was the legality of the search, and whether it violated a the Fourth Amendment's protections about unreasonable search and seizure, and provided the evidence thereof. I didn't say I liked that it was that way or that I think it is okay that it is that way. I was simply correcting a factual error from somebody making insulting and inflammatory comments and all I've gotten in turn is berated, insulted and had a significant amount of VERY insulting assumptions made about me.

Maybe if you would have started off with some tact yourself....just sayin'

 

[edlogic]

That was uncalled for.

surely you are educated enough to know -THAT IS the real world and THAT IS really what they do .

they start out by saying the 4th amendment does not say we need a search warrant or probable cause

that is how they START

it always leads to them taking your kids and doing you know what

ALWAYS

( i put a bunch of stuff here that would probably get me banned but i erased it )

- i will just say what i have to say the best way i possibly can say it and still say what i have to say -

it didn't used to be against the law or common policy to say that you are opposed to homosexual activities

but now it is in some places in the world

if you let the court run unchecked and let them cut up the constitution piece by piece

then in the same way that homosexuals have now been pronounced beyond heavenly clean by the authorities when it used to be a disgustingly disgraceful crime

the court will one day claim that it is fully lawful for adults to have free sex with kids

and even you as a parent will have no choice about it if your kids like the little trinkets that the king or the police bring for them when they visit


if you think this is a joke but you want to get sick and throw up because you wish it was a joke then read this


INCESTUOUS PEDOPHELIA PROMOTED BY GERMAN GOVERNMENT
NWV News -- Incestuous Pedophilia Promoted by German Government

 

[Kelly79]

Maybe if you would have started off with some tact yourself....just sayin'

Nothing anyone has said on here has been remotely tactful. How are those of us in the criminal justice field supposed to feel about the cop bashing that goes on around here huh? Anybody ever think of that?? Is that tactful, people spouting hateful slurs and other crap at us? I came here for information on the e-cig because I don't want to go back to smoking and nothing else has worked, and instead I have to wade through posts littered with insults.

 

[Kelly79]

it always leads to them taking your kids and doing you know what

I recommend you leave my kids out of this.

 

[Bigbob]

Nothing anyone has said on here has been remotely tactful. How are those of us in the criminal justice field supposed to feel about the cop bashing that goes on around here huh? Anybody ever think of that?? Is that tactful, people spouting hateful slurs and other crap at us? I came here for information on the e-cig because I don't want to go back to smoking and nothing else has worked, and instead I have to wade through posts littered with insults.

I have never insulted or berated you in any way, I merely pointed out freedom of speech to you. When you replied to Edlogic with:

Perhaps until you have an inkling of education about the Constitution, the law, and court decisions regarding this matter you should keep silent.

and deleting your original reply doesn't make it go away...

 

[edlogic]

Nothing anyone has said on here has been remotely tactful. How are those of us in the criminal justice field supposed to feel about the cop bashing that goes on around here huh? Anybody ever think of that?? Is that tactful, people spouting hateful slurs and other crap at us? I came here for information on the e-cig because I don't want to go back to smoking and nothing else has worked, and instead I have to wade through posts littered with insults.

you can still be a good cop with bad ideas can't you
just because we don't like the way you carry yourself does not mean that we don't like you personally

the problem is - that too many people with a low self esteem or high self esteem get into law enforcement so they can push other people around

you guys used to be there to serve and protect

now look at you - you have let yourselves sink to the bottom as measley little ol ' law enforcement personnel

you used to be considered to have a brain and be moral and have a conscience and we thought you really cared about us civillians because you used to tell us that you were our friends

now if we dare to ask directions - sometimes we get smirks and quips - do i look like mapquest to you sonny boy ?

you might be a good guy sir - i sure hope you are

it is your jack booted thug contemporaries that are giving you a bad name and making it hard for us civillians to trust you since you are now joining forces with the military

just like the gov is supposed to be scared of the people not the people scared of the gov

we wish we could think of the police as our friends
but about all we can say anymore is

DON'T TASE ME BRO !

 

[edlogic]

I recommend you leave my kids out of this.

i have 7 kids and if you got a clue you would know
i want your kids to be safe
just as safe as i want my kids to be

so are you saying that i should not fight against pedophiles ?

the way you are acting - i would say you are a young wanna be cop
you sound like you wish you were one but can't because you have some disability or something

a real cop would laugh at the silly civillians - not whine because they didn't pick up her hanky for her when she sneezed and it blew on the floor

( i had the words his and him and he in the sentence above - then i changed it to her and her and she )

i think i figured it out - sorry - all this time i thought you were a he man muscle ripped cop and now i think i see that you are a pretty little she woman muscle ripped cop

or maybe just married to a cop; i guess i really do have to apologize because for some reason i think there is a difference between men and women ( men have 3 pronouns and adjectives of reference ( him his he ) and women only have 2 ( her she ) ( in that sentence ) )

i will leave the rest of the post here but now i don't feel like it has the punch that it would have - were i addressing a big strong guy

oh well -live and learn

wait a second
i just realized that i have read reports in the past about them lowering the iq requirements for the military
and i have also heard that if you have above a certain iq -they will not hire you as a cop in most places

they don't want people running around with guns that can think for themselves too often

just do what the court told you to do and you will be ok - settle down it will all be over in the morning

i guess you may just fit the profile after all

 

[PTJD]

OK, you all need to tone down a bit before we lock this thread! Please get back on topic.

 

[Kelly79]

I didn't delete my reply to make it go away just because the first portion was ill considered, but being in the criminal justice field I do find his comments insulting and was rather peeved. I deleted the rest of the comment because facts are obviously not appreciated here. I may be younger than you, but no I don't 'wanna be' a cop, but as they are professionals in the same field that I am and I do respect the difficulty of their job. I don't like to hear them getting bashed for doing their jobs. I have no disabilities, and if I had any interest in being a cop I would be, I work in security because I have kids and don't want the stress that a cops life puts on their families. I am also a criminal justice major because I believe in setting a good example for my children by obtaining a college education. I never meant any of what I said as a personal attack on you which I stated in my second post.