E2 Cartomizer Technical Discussion
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Holy crap, that vapor's coming through my speakers, bad! I hope your using a low or no nic juice. I have this fear your gonna fall off the chair in a nic-coma.
I can't believe how long those XL's are. They look almost as long as my 510's original batteries. mmmm, battery sized cartos.
I can't believe how long those XL's are. They look almost as long as my 510's original batteries. mmmm, battery sized cartos.
I've been making comparisons between my test subjects for about two hours this morning. Both still work equally well. Both seem to produce as much vapor as your video, bad. All testing has been made without a filler ring of any kind. Most testing is while tail piping in order to remove as many variables as possible. However, I have been inserting my brass filler tips whenever I need to lay them on their side. Of course, comparisons have been made with these tips and their performance is still equal.
However, I do prefer the PTB version in one aspect. When neither of them have been vaped for several minutes, sometimes the stock wick version needs a small puff or two for the vapor to be equal. The PTB version is always there at the first toot.
I plan to do another PTB test today. Some of my XL's work a little better than others. I plan to find the worse one and attempt to make it better with a PTB mod. The bad thing about this test is that I will have to depend on my memory for comparisons. I've never done well in that department.
However, I do prefer the PTB version in one aspect. When neither of them have been vaped for several minutes, sometimes the stock wick version needs a small puff or two for the vapor to be equal. The PTB version is always there at the first toot.
I plan to do another PTB test today. Some of my XL's work a little better than others. I plan to find the worse one and attempt to make it better with a PTB mod. The bad thing about this test is that I will have to depend on my memory for comparisons. I've never done well in that department.
I've been keeping these test 510 XL's too busy. I gave them a rest in the upright position and now I know why the stock version requires a puff or two in order to give a proper vape. It is because it is wicking too much. It is very easy to see. The coil and wick on this one has more juice on it. If I leave it standing long enough, a small amount of juice accumulates in the lower air passage.
So, this one has to vape the excess juice off before the coil can get hot enough to produce a normal vape. I think the atty drippers call this flooding.
Don't give up on me yet fellas. I'm still trying to become a Tea Bagger.
So, this one has to vape the excess juice off before the coil can get hot enough to produce a normal vape. I think the atty drippers call this flooding.
Don't give up on me yet fellas. I'm still trying to become a Tea Bagger.
Br, im not trusting your reviews so we need to both send our vapor off to the california institute of vapor and have them test who has the bigger vapor, I still think my vapor is bigger then your vapor.most likely its becuase you havent let yourself become a teabagger for sure
and if your doing your test while watching my vids then theres your problem, your combining my vapor on screen with your vapor and thinking your getting more
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most likely its becuase you havent let yourself become a teabagger for sure
and if your doing your test while watching my vids then theres your problem, your combining my vapor on screen with your vapor and thinking your getting more
My doodle may not be as big as yours, but my vapor is.
maybe your surrounded by mirrors when doing your tests and your just seeing vapor all around you in the reflection inturn screwing with your perception.
My PTB mod was done according to your instructions, so don't blame me if it works as well as yours.
there is a 90% chance since your older then me your just being stubborn and its hard to admit my vapor is bigger then yours.
lol, i love messing with ya BR. im dying to hear banjos review update
lol, i love messing with ya BR. im dying to hear banjos review update
I have fun with what I do bad. If it ceases to be fun you will not see me here anymore.
I expect banjos review will be favorable enough so that you will not feel a need to poke fun at him, lol.
your fate is in banjos hands now br. lolol
I dont even know what to test anymore br, im not getting leaking and its wicking and working like a champ, so whats next?? fixing the inner ring maybe??\\
i cut the inner ring to make the center hole bigger and that works but i cant figure out anything for the refilling issue some would like to be made easier.
I dont even know what to test anymore br, im not getting leaking and its wicking and working like a champ, so whats next?? fixing the inner ring maybe??\\
i cut the inner ring to make the center hole bigger and that works but i cant figure out anything for the refilling issue some would like to be made easier.
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I'm at about the same point, bad. I have used my brass prototype enough to know that something similar would satisfy more customers. It is easy to use, does not require a syringe, and it has the possibilities of being a good seal. I've known all along that it should be a cheap molded product, but metal was the easiest material for me to work with. I know what some of its faults are and believe a molded version with a certain degree of flexibility can fix them. However, I doubt if the makers will consider developing such a thing.
Maybe you have already done so, but if you are looking for something more to test, consider the rubber mouthpiece from an early E2. Not necessarily for how well it vapes or seals the cup, but mostly to find out how well it holds up. I've had fairly good results with it in most, but not all cases. So far it has not been damaged. It gets small brown stains on it that cannot be washed off, but the present filler ring on the XL gets larger and more stains that do not wash off. What I'm trying to find out is if this material or something almost like it can be used to mold a combination cup seal and mouthpiece.
When the mouthpiece is all the way down on the cup, the top of it will be about 3/32" below the tube end.
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I also noticed this. Which lead me to another type of test. One stock carto verses one PTB carto. Same juice, Tasty Finger 70% VG, same battery, eGo auto. Both cartos were completely full.
I vaped the PTB carto with the battery pointed slightly down. The stock carto with the battery pointed slightly up.
I found that the overall vaping experience was too close to call. But when I vaped them both with the batteries pointed down, the PTB gave a slightly better hit. Not a huge surprise in that pointing the battery slightly up helps the juice wick to the coil.
Then I tried the same test again with full cartos with them both pointed slightly down. They BOTH vaped the same at the start but about half way thru, the stock carto started to need a "primer puff". By the time that each was half empty, the stock carto was starting to taste a little dry and the vapor was falling off. Once again. I pointed the stock carto slightly up and it came back to the same level of performence as the PTB carto.
So to me, it seems that the angle you hold a stock carto / PV can effect the hit when the carto gets past about half full.
I'm luving this thread. You guyz do great work.
I'm running behind you guys. I've got my regular size 510 ceramics a week ago and have been messing with two of them. The first one I just filled and it's tasted like .... ever since. They must stop putting that nasty primer in them. The second one, I burned it off with just the round, flat peice off. That helped some but it still wasn't great. Neither one wicked worth a damn and I have been just shooting juice to them with my Wetbox 510.
Today, after reading what you guys were up to, I took out another carto from the package and soaked it in very hot water and removed the refill cover over the cup afterward (next time I'll remove it before). I used banjoman's PTB mod using some old cart mod PTB peices. I cut them to about 3/8" long X 1/4" wide, pretty much what the cart filler was and thinned them to a few folds. That took some trials to get the right thickness.
I burned the thing off a lot. I must have done it 7 or 8 times for ten seconds at a time until I couldn't smell the primer any more. I filled the carto with 1ml juice which came up to the bottom of the slots on the cup as best as I could tell and stopped. I reinserted the flat washer, popped on my drip tip and started vaping.
It seems to wick properly now and the .... taste is gone.
Thanks for taking the time to go to all the trouble to find solutions for this. It's still by far the best carto out there right now. It just needs some tweaking by the mfg to make it good out the box.
I'm running behind you guys. I've got my regular size 510 ceramics a week ago and have been messing with two of them. The first one I just filled and it's tasted like .... ever since. They must stop putting that nasty primer in them. The second one, I burned it off with just the round, flat peice off. That helped some but it still wasn't great. Neither one wicked worth a damn and I have been just shooting juice to them with my Wetbox 510.
Today, after reading what you guys were up to, I took out another carto from the package and soaked it in very hot water and removed the refill cover over the cup afterward (next time I'll remove it before). I used banjoman's PTB mod using some old cart mod PTB peices. I cut them to about 3/8" long X 1/4" wide, pretty much what the cart filler was and thinned them to a few folds. That took some trials to get the right thickness.
I burned the thing off a lot. I must have done it 7 or 8 times for ten seconds at a time until I couldn't smell the primer any more. I filled the carto with 1ml juice which came up to the bottom of the slots on the cup as best as I could tell and stopped. I reinserted the flat washer, popped on my drip tip and started vaping.
It seems to wick properly now and the .... taste is gone.
Thanks for taking the time to go to all the trouble to find solutions for this. It's still by far the best carto out there right now. It just needs some tweaking by the mfg to make it good out the box.
I used mine right out of the box..no funny taste...I just filled and vaped...haven't tried any mods yet...But I follow this thread ...just in case..lol..I figure if it ain't broke...don't fix it....yet...lol...But these things are great...and last forever ...and I am a heavy vapor...and I fill right from the bottle...works for me..and it wicks quick and nice.....Keep up the good work...all...
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I believe our greatest concern in this department is that the wick is not consistent. The cause for my primer puffs were that it was wicking too much. Your problem is that it is not wicking well enough.
Not much new news from me this morning (er, afternoon). I re-did bad's mod using one more fold at the end and the fit is much better now. Like his last video showed, getting juice to the coil is not a problem (bad it looked like you didn't inhale all of those drags.... why not?) <insert coughing half-drunk smiley here>
I left both "my" mod and the stock carto sitting on its' side overnight: There was no leaking with either. I'm going to have to leave bad's lying down for a bit to test it, but I don't expect any surprises. As long as you get a decent seal around the outside of the slots with the PTB leaking shouldn't be a problem.
I'm going to take all three of these cartos and put them on stock 510 batteries to see if the difference in them changes any. If us guinea pigs have proven anything about these, it's that they're a bit inconsistant from carto to carto. If nothing else, maybe these experiments will help people determine what kind of problem they're having, and what they can do to improve performance. Some might wick well but leak, some might not leak but wick terribly. At least we have some viable solutions now.
I left both "my" mod and the stock carto sitting on its' side overnight: There was no leaking with either. I'm going to have to leave bad's lying down for a bit to test it, but I don't expect any surprises. As long as you get a decent seal around the outside of the slots with the PTB leaking shouldn't be a problem.
I'm going to take all three of these cartos and put them on stock 510 batteries to see if the difference in them changes any. If us guinea pigs have proven anything about these, it's that they're a bit inconsistant from carto to carto. If nothing else, maybe these experiments will help people determine what kind of problem they're having, and what they can do to improve performance. Some might wick well but leak, some might not leak but wick terribly. At least we have some viable solutions now.
Agreed.
I would hope that the next couple of revisions that are made to these E2 cartos will address a better wick.
Do you think the "primmer puffs" are need because of the wick design, a small amount of seapage or a combination of both?
we aint getting a new wick, i tried over and over to no prevail but new cups are being tested and i hope it helps as they said its looking very promising.
so as long as everything else is fixed i have no issue for now dropping some ptb on the slits to get these where i want. I dont know what else to say.
the connector issue has been dealt with, the leaking issue is being fixed and there is no more primer, the cup is being fixed so the slits dont leak, if that all holds up then thats what we have because they aint changing the wick. they will try different things with the same wick but getting them to buy and try a new wick has been futile so far for me.
I mean lets say they have thousands of dollars of the wick so maybe it wouldnt be feasible, it could be they dont have many choices of wick because of safety, meaning they can only use certain types of wick for safety reasons but I dont know how that works.
I would really like for them just to test it with a new type of braided circular wick just for kicks.
so as long as everything else is fixed i have no issue for now dropping some ptb on the slits to get these where i want. I dont know what else to say.
the connector issue has been dealt with, the leaking issue is being fixed and there is no more primer, the cup is being fixed so the slits dont leak, if that all holds up then thats what we have because they aint changing the wick. they will try different things with the same wick but getting them to buy and try a new wick has been futile so far for me.
I mean lets say they have thousands of dollars of the wick so maybe it wouldnt be feasible, it could be they dont have many choices of wick because of safety, meaning they can only use certain types of wick for safety reasons but I dont know how that works.
I would really like for them just to test it with a new type of braided circular wick just for kicks.
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