E2 Cartomizer Technical Discussion

[badkolo]

Ever considered PIF to get rid of the 901 stuff. There are a lot of people out there who would be thrilled to have them. Just sayin'



How can the threads be made universally on the cartos when the batts aren't? It doesn't matter what 510 I use, Joye, knockoff, pt, Hello etc . . . I have to search for a carto to fit. Not just the ce2 but any carto. The Boge seem to fit the best but they don't fit everything all the time.

I offered the extra stuff(attys ansd cartos and other stuff) to anyone here thats been following the e2. no one pm'd me.

the threads can be a little more universal in consistancy, if the made all the center posts petrude more they would fit on more batts for more people.

I agree 100% that the e2 isnt the only one with connector issues so thats why im not attacking them, i did mention to them to make it more universal .
I also had other atomizers and cartos that wouldnt fit all the batts and the same way the connectors vary from company to company so do the mods, the riva isnt like the hello and v3 connector is not like the Sb and so on. so attacking them on the e2 about that isnt as important to me as is the performance of the e2

SO while its easy to say the e2 should fit every mod and battery the same can be said about the makers of the mods and batteries.

The one good thing is so far everyone who recieved the ceramics said they had no smell and no glue taste, so that is solved, the running to hot at 3.7, well that we all knew, they work better at lower volts.

but the higher ohm e2 works wonderfully at 3.7 and above.

 

[pm2006]

I still like the ones that I have and except for the wicking problem, everything is good. I have a 510 to 510 adapter that I use if they don't fit something.

 

[BanjoMan]

As far as the 510's go, the ones I have (earlier non-ceramics) work on exactly 3 devices I own: My WetBox, my Little Sister and stock 510 batteries. I've got numerous box mods lying around as well as some Little Chucks, and while the cartos will screw on ok they won't fire at all. While I think it's a major problem for them that needs correcting, these things work so well and taste so good on my LS at low voltage I don't see me giving them up anytime soon.

Aside from the connection issues, I think they made a major mistake putting these out at 2.6 ohms. IMO they should be at least 3.0 ohms or maybe higher. Luckily I can adjust my voltage down with the LS, but there's no way I could use these at 3.7v and be satisfied. I can fully understand why anyone using these at 3.7v would complain of a dry or harsh taste - they run very hot and the wicking has trouble keeping up when it's cooking juice that fast. I have some higher ohm XL's on order and I'm hopeful that they'll let me go back to 3.7v again.

If they don't fix the connection issues they're in for a world of hurt sales-wise, even though there will be people (like me), who love the taste so much they'll scramble to find a variable mod they can use them on. If they want to continue to blame everyone else's connectors for *their* design flaw they can, but it'll cost 'em.

 

[br5495]

Ok I'm confused, what exact miracle do you expect the ceramic cup to perform?

I have both E2s here. Big deal they put in a ceramic cup, changed the fill cap to silicone and made the slots slightly wider. These so called improvements have made little to no change in actual performance over the other E2s. They did not change the threads at all so they still do not fit on a lot of things. The ohms are still at 2.5 so they are still hot and harsh at 3.7volts. They only hold .7 mil of juice and and if you vape at all, it is like a 510 cart and you have to refill ever hour. If you chain vape the wicking will not keep up. Of course the ceramic cup and new silicone fill cap would not correct those major issues. Sorry guys I do not see any real improvement in actual performance and usability.

I do not understand the thread issue. I have 510 cartos from 7 different manufacturers here and the E2s are the only ones with this problem. The other 6 manufacturers can get it right, how come MiT can't?

On the WetBox the E2s, either revision are great, but normal battery use, they still have a long way to go. Not what you want to hear I'm sure but that's how I see it.


Happy Vaping!!

Thanks for the report WW. To tell you the truth, I wasn't expecting the ceramic cup to increase the performance. I was just hoping it would not decrease the performance. For the way I vape, mine work better than anything else in my arsenal and I will get by if newer ones at least maintain the status quo.

I don't understand the thread issue either. This is an elementary problem that should have been dwelt with already. If they have not been corrected in their latest run, then as far as I am concerned, they just had their last chance.

 

[tiburonfirst]

SO while its easy to say the e2 should fit every mod and battery the same can be said about the makers of the mods and batteries.

The one good thing is so far everyone who recieved the ceramics said they had no smell and no glue taste, so that is solved, the running to hot at 3.7, well that we all knew, they work better at lower volts.

but the higher ohm e2 works wonderfully at 3.7 and above.

as to running hot

i received a sample 808 from johnv1 which was supposed to be 3ohm and used it on a true 3.7v 808 battery, almost burned myself. then i used it on a 401 battery with adapter but felt it vaped rather harshly and i ended up with a sore throat.
like most of you i really want this carto to work, so i put it back on the 808 battery with this revision. i pulled out the mouth piece and used the filler ring instead. my filler ring is the solid white plastic one. amazingly, the heat issue is almost gone and the harshness has disappeared. i have no explanation except that maybe that filler ring close to the atty conducted the heat upwards and also had some outgassing. possible?????

 

[BanjoMan]

You'll make it. Compared to where I was a year ago it's like night and day. I'm off cigarettes for good and have a daily routine I can live with. I don't even mind having a whole tackle box full of 901 batteries and atomizers that I'll never use again.

Ever considered PIF to get rid of the 901 stuff. There are a lot of people out there who would be thrilled to have them. Just sayin'

Yeah, I need to get over there and "gift" some of these away. I'm an e-cig hoarder though so gimme time.

 

[badkolo]

as to running hot

i received a sample 808 from johnv1 which was supposed to be 3ohm and used it on a true 3.7v 808 battery, almost burned myself. then i used it on a 401 battery with adapter but felt it vaped rather harshly and i ended up with a sore throat.
like most of you i really want this carto to work, so i put it back on the 808 battery with this revision. i pulled out the mouth piece and used the filler ring instead. my filler ring is the solid white plastic one. amazingly, the heat issue is almost gone and the harshness has disappeared. i have no explanation except that maybe that filler ring close to the atty conducted the heat upwards and also had some outgassing. possible?????

I dont know what to say about that , I tested the ohms on the one he sent me and it was at 3.0, but others had the 808 tested at 2.7 so im not sure what to say about that.

But the ones that tested 3.0 ohm, i made a video for, and those where very cool at 3.7 and semi warm at 5volts.
It was a cool vape and cool to the touch, it never got hot like the lower ohm ones.
plus i never experienced the dry taste with those even at 5v unlike the way it does happen to the lower ohm ones.

 

[tiburonfirst]

bad, could you take one of your hot ones and duplicate what i did?
ie take away the mouth piece and move the filler ring up to where the mouth piece was

 

[badkolo]

bad, could you take one of your hot ones and duplicate what i did?
ie take away the mouth piece and move the filler ring up to where the mouth piece was

ill pop one of my last 2 later today and try that for you.

 

[br5495]

bad, could you take one of your hot ones and duplicate what i did?
ie take away the mouth piece and move the filler ring up to where the mouth piece was

Doing this will give you a cooler vape. The thicker mouthpiece makes them hotter because the air hole in it is closer to the heating coil.

 

[badkolo]

Doing this will give you a cooler vape. The thicker mouthpiece makes them hotter because the air hole in it is closer to the heating coil.

well i use a drip tip on mine with no inner plugs at all and that does cool it down a tad versus using the plug or even just the mouth peace like you said.

 

[br5495]

well i use a drip tip on mine with no inner plugs at all and that does cool it down a tad versus using the plug or even just the mouth peace like you said.

One of my experimental "fixes" was to use a thinner tip from an older type cartomizer.

 

[tiburonfirst]

ok, so temps get reduced that way
the other question, did the high temp harshen up the vapor to the point of giving me a sore throat, or did the high temp produce any kind of outgassing from the plastic filler ring? apparently that plastic has now been changed to silicone?
i know i would not have kept using that carto the way it was

 

[BanjoMan]

ok, so temps get reduced that way
the other question, did the high temp harshen up the vapor to the point of giving me a sore throat, or did the high temp produce any kind of outgassing from the plastic filler ring? apparently that plastic has now been changed to silicone?
i know i would not have kept using that carto the way it was

Imo I don't think it's the plastic. The harshness of the vapor is likely a product of the "hotter" coil. I say "hotter" because I don't have anything here that actually proves it gets hotter than other cartos except my own mouth/throat.

A little off-topic but if you've been thinking about getting a variable mod consider a Little Sister. These cartos shine on them at the lowest setting. I'm not saying "buy one just to use with these cartos", but it's a great little mod on it's own and very versatile. The difference in taste with these at low voltage is amazing.

 

[bassthumper]

Thanks WitchWay for FINALLY answering about the threads.
I find it a major problem with the acceptance and therefore distribution of these in the USA.
I mean come-on EVERYONE, a device that will break your PV when you try and screw it in.
I know we are coping with adaptors but none of the others who got the new r3 E2’s thought to mention that they still haven’t got the threads right, but focus on if or if not the vapor is inconsistence as the reservoir level drops. What’s wrong with this picture everyone?
OK my little whine is over and numerous apologies to anyone who is working hard to give us information about something REALLY new it might have offended. Having a lurker, who isn’t working hard, critique people who are doing the effort is hypocritical at least, apologies again from a lurker who will now shut-up before he’s thought of as a Troll.

First off, I didn't mention it because it hasn't been an issue for me.
EVERY PV I've used these on did so and powered them without a problem. I didn't have a threading issue in the least. The screwed on without a single problem. I haven't had any wicking issues (I mean with such a source of e liquid in your carto one has to be careful not to forget to top them off once in awhile just like any carto you have to have juice in them to work...
but yeah I haven't even found a bur on my threads. I've used them on 4 different pvs and not one issue.

 

[bassthumper]

How can the threads be made universally on the cartos when the batts aren't? It doesn't matter what 510 I use, Joye, knockoff, pt, Hello etc . . . I have to search for a carto to fit. Not just the ce2 but any carto. The Boge seem to fit the best but they don't fit everything all the time.

Exactly...

 

[BanjoMan]

Mini-tips of the day (random stuff I've learned you might find useful):

1. If you lose any of these doing a burn (or they just die a natural death), strip the mouthpiece and inner ring out of them. The spare parts can come in handy.
2. If you clean/dry burn these, let them sit overnight while the wick finishes drying out. You'll be able to get more liquid in them that way.
3. If you refill by removing the inner ring and dripping, don't stop when you see juice at the top of the cup. Wait a minute while the wick soaks the liquid up, then top off.
4. The 401's are skinnier and have different sized condoms. The 808/510 condoms fit a little loose on the 401's, so try not to mix them up.

 

[br5495]

well i use a drip tip on mine with no inner plugs at all and that does cool it down a tad versus using the plug or even just the mouth peace like you said.

Here is a prototype tip that I am experimenting with. It is cobbled together from an e-cigar tip and an E2 mouthpiece. It is being used on a shortened E2, so this combination seals the reservoir. This is the only part that is removed to fill the cartridge. A working version would need to be about 1/8" longer for the inside of a regular length E2. It remains to be seen if an apparatus similar to this will work with an XL E2.

 

[br5495]

Mini-tips of the day (random stuff I've learned you might find useful):
2. If you clean/dry burn these, let them sit overnight while the wick finishes drying out. You'll be able to get more liquid in them that way.

I use a heat gun to dry one out prior to a burn. A dry burn does not work well for me while the wick is wet. A hair dryer will probably do about the same thing.

 

[BanjoMan]

I use a heat gun to dry one out prior to a burn. A dry burn does not work well for me while the wick is wet. A hair dryer will probably do about the same thing.

Heat gun, huh? I had you figured for a blow torch kind of guy.