E2 Cartomizer Technical Discussion

[badkolo]

Im so sorry to hear about your mother, i had a loss in june so i feel you, i hope your coping well.

Glad to see you back to business.

martinez will be back in the office in 9 days. he flew to yi wu

 

[v1John]

O hi leaford! wow, that's interesting, and what's the Fusion model?

 

[mwa102464]

I'm just really hoping the 250 I have on the way ordered last week from the CN shop are the real deal and better quality then the trial ones I got 2 weeks ago from a retailer. I really like the thought of no filler in my carts. Leaford it would be cool to also see Bloog come out with something similar, by the way what is this new improved fusion, is it the new filler carts I have been using ? I haven't heard the term Fusion ?

 

[Turbo]

Good to hear from you Leaford, insightful post. One thing we've been discussing on this thread has been the issue w/ QC so it's interesting to hear your viewpoint on their facilities. They seemed to have the ability to make these changes by the week in some cases, so it's not surprising to hear that. On the other hand, the QC has been an issue, some people have been getting 'frankenstein' cartos full of surprises, wrong orders, etc. The true r4's have been getting good reviews so far.

All in all, those of us that have been using these since the beginning feel they beat filler cartos hands down. If we can get consistent products I'll be happy.

 

[v1John]

The e2 seems to be what Gammucci sells here for $20 a piece, with the one-time ecigs, it's how I learned and started ecigs months and months ago, tho it was too expensive and a big waste. So I only got about 3 or so total, but I broke one and I can't remember but I could have sworn that I found nothing in the carto, except for what may be the e2. Is Gammucci getting them from China too or do they make their own, I wonder.

 

[br5495]

You kids can stay up and jabber all night, but this old man is gonna hit the hay.

 

[v1John]

the r4 seems to be doing fine, but it made my batteries seem weak and I had to get the PT, I'm guessing this could be the HR one and all others up until this one must have have lower resistance

 

[badkolo]

so far after 2 days of heavy testing unmodded, heres my only complaint, when it gets half way maybe even more empty, at times i get the dry taste, which goes away after the wick gets soaked i guess, i take it that since its the wick laying in the tanks there is no way of getting juice to the wick if most of it is exposed while being vaped as juice lays flat. but it hasnt been anything major or probmatic like older revisions. mine dont have the afl so maybe that helps in that regard.

other then that one thing i dont have anything to ..... about, the connectors are perfect, no dents, no leaking at all, and it wicks well and the ohms are what they should be.

Now i will ptb one to see if it does any better when the e2 is getting low on juice.

 

[v1John]

it relates to my carto mod, I still think the E2s need to be 1mm wider.
It doesn't mean it can't have a flat tip or a narrow one, but the carto just needs more room for the wick
It's not asking for much either, and the vgo is still even wider than this, why am I having to hold a big vgo and yet they don't want to give the e2 a little more room?

ok, well I tugged carefully on the wick outside the cup, and turned the cup lid upside down, it's still messy trying to fit it back properly

 

[badkolo]

unless the inner plug geta total redesign or they make a longer mouthpeace then you will always have a slight issue putting the inner ring back. for me its a non issue as i dont need the inner plug.

 

[v1John]

the outer wick does need to be ptb strips, you know bad?
it only makes too much sense.

the outer wicks need to be against the wcarto wall, like a liner, and they need to be Lipton strips
then they can make the carto 1mm wider

right now with this outer wick, the carto is actually better off 1mm narrower, it seems.
The wicks the way they are dangle too much and when they get to the stem or wires they get distracted from what they should be doing

 

[badkolo]

but thats why i think they added afl, and we cant test that until the next shipment next week.

the afl sits in the tank and around the cup, it was inspired by the ptb. so ill wait to get those before i judge that.

I am certain the ptb does the trick, its fixed any wicking issues on any e2 i have but at 3.7 these R4 have been holding up, the wicking isnt perfect but it isnt no where as problematic as older revisions..

ill never really be satisfied with the wick cause the ptb spoils me and i dont like the wick being used but it does work and the higher ohms helps .

i was using 2 on the go most of the day and not once did i get annoyed or have issues and thats where it counts, can i take the e2 out and be worry free?, and today i was.

 

[v1John]

yes the mouthpiece can be longer, but the carto part that holds the wick and liquid should be wider like the way they made the ego carto's outer shell

I know that in a way these are non issues for us if we work around them, but I wish the E2 had noon issues for everyone

What's the argument or reason for not making them 1mm wider at the liquid part, with ptb strips for the outer wick?
I wonder, because there are lots of good reasons why it would be better for the carto to be wider where the liquid is, closer to the size of their vgo even if not exactly that size. The mouthpiece part can stay the same, or they can be plugged in just like drip tips and flat tips do anyway.

 

[v1John]

bad, the filler material is just going to take up even more valuable empty space from the liquid, and trap liquid on the last half of the fill-up, and without the carto being wider, less space for the liquid and more liquid trapped when less than half full just brings their 1.7ml XL back towards the 1.2 ml range.

 

[badkolo]

oh i agree but im not designing cartos for them, i just want the e2 working and as long as they make the 808 and 510 like the r4's i have now then ill be happy.

Now you can start demanding them to do that and they should and said they would. , but im not going through this whole mess with a whole new product again for a while .lol i think once the dust settles and they only send out real R4's then they will work on different versions

 

[badkolo]

bad, the filler material is just going to take up even more valuable empty space from the liquid, and trap liquid on the last half of the fill-up, and without the carto being wider, less space for the liquid and more liquid trapped when less than half full just brings their 1.7ml XL back towards the 1.2 ml range.

again i agree and thought of that, but your not going to get them to use ptb, they said they couldnt get approval to use it(not sure why) and that they tried. so like i said what we want and what we can get are 2 different things. we are here and they are there and there is only so much we can do.

 

[badkolo]

vjohn im using the prefilled 510 on the vgo and it wicks extra well, now im wondering is it the juice or did they put the best ones in the kits they sell. how is your prefilled performing

 

[v1John]

oh i agree but im not designing cartos for them, i just want the e2 working and as long as they make the 808 and 510 like the r4's i have now then ill be happy.

Now you can start demanding them to do that and they should and said they would. , but im not going through this whole mess with a whole new product again for a while .lol i think once the dust settles and they only send out real R4's then they will work on different versions

What worries me is that new products will keep being made, otherwise Microcig Innovation Tech. loses Innovation and gets emty.

No problem except what if we end up having to buy them for $3 a carto instead of $1.50 if the wider-ecig makers get exclusive rights? And all we're hopefully asking for is 1mm wider cartos? Even greencig's is slightly wider isn't it? and it looks like Bloog's Fusion might be slightly bigger also.

About the ptb, I didn't know they couldn't get approval, they should have explained a little more, now I wonder what kind of approval and from who, is it financial? legal? poison control? exclusive rights?
There could be other alternatives, but the outer wick needs improvement

 

[v1John]

the prefilled was great, just better if it could hold 2.4ml, the 3.5 XL goes through liquid good

 

[badkolo]

the prefilled was great, just better if it could hold 2.4ml, the 3.5 XL goes through liquid good

did it wick well or have issues, did it work like it should.