E2 Cartomizer Technical Discussion

[kwcharlie]

That's a new idea, use the white plug. I see the white cap does have a grove, hum.
Have you tried dripping into it?

 

[jamezelle]

no I havent, I dont think it would work with my all vg juice and being that the hole in the white cap is smaller. but it sure does eliminate leaking from the top, of course you will get some build up of condensed vapor over time but its a lot better IMO than the innercap.

I remove the white cap when I want to fill and use my syringe or the bottle itself. I don't really ever feel the need to drip like I would a regular atomizer.

 

[kwcharlie]

i drip a drop or two to get a good hit, i still find them falling off a little as i vape, found the best for me is just leaving the bottom ring arround the cup and fill with a needle. So replacing the bottom ring (with the two needle holes) with the white cap stops leaking out the little needle holes? I seem to be missing something here BUT i am working at the bench with mine, havn't tried traveling with my E2's yet.

 

[jamezelle]

well, im using boba's bounty...which is a thick 100% vg liquid and its wicking quite well on the standard E2 510's without PTB.

I'm think its the extra rubber on the outside of the white cap that is supposed to keep it from falling in, is what helps it prevent leaking better. Because its more compressed, giving more pressure on the inside of the carto when fully pushed into it. thus a better seal...

 

[kwcharlie]

ya, i havn't gone to the PTB and find the vg does vape better than pg, doesn't fall off, counter to logic, would think the thicker would dry the wick sooner but pg drys sooner, go figure. What juice do you use and where did you get your E2's? I got my E2's from boxmod/COV and use Drew's pg and JC/COV's vg.

 

[st0nedpenguin]

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[st0nedpenguin]

You're still referring to a vendor, e-liquid.cn is not a vendor, they're a supplier. They'll fix it in the next order. Suppliers can't do what vendors do. It would cost them way too much to fix everything the way a vendor does. These issues are part of the reason vendors mark up prices. They make a buck and have wiggle room for error. When a vendor gets a botched order they typically get it fixed in the next shipment by the supplier. We're dealing with a supplier, not a vendor.

You're dealing with a supplier that set up to sell their products direct to the public, that should mean they treat those sales as retail, not wholesale.

And to that I can only give you a sarcastic "Of course" in return. You bought the product, you got what you bought. If you did not get what you bought, it will be taken care of from what I'm told. As bad said, they're not replacing cartos just because you didn't like them. Who's to say you'll like the R4 when it's available? I bought a bicycle seat I don't like a couple month ago. I took it out of the package, put on my bike, took the kid for a ride and decided I didn't like it. Will I take it back, no. I bought it, I got what I paid for, it's neither the fault of the store I bought it from or the manufacturer that I didn't like it. I'll just go buy another one to try out.

And that's just the kind of customer service that puts you out of business.

Repeat sales are everything, and you get repeat sales by making the small sacrifices to keep your customers happy, suck up the price of that bicycle seat and he'll come back and buy a washing machine the week after that nets you 10x the price of the seat.

A happy customer is a spending customer.

 

[naviathan]

ok, quick1, I'm sorry but I thought you were the one posting it, I tried to quickly read and catch up,
so I hereby apologize and reattribute

I'll have to be even more careful if our avatars get switched between us all, is that still expected soon?

Well since it's been properly attributed I'll take the blame and say that yes, I don't think we should have been allowed to buy from the factory directly. The number of upset members of which we don't actually have a count on, should be reason enough why this shouldn't happen. I'm glad that we have that option, but really, should we? Some of us can handle it understand the situation, others obviously can't.

 

[mutt4a]

yes the ptb will help with that and thats what the r4 is trying to replicate, we will know soon if it works.

Thanks, and is what I expected.

You're dealing with a supplier that set up to sell their products direct to the public, that should mean they treat those sales as retail, not wholesale.
................ A happy customer is a spending customer.

My read of their web page is quite the contrary. Looks to me that they are setup to deal with vendors, and are kind enough to sell in smaller quantities. To get prices I have to download the list/examine it. And where is the "click to buy one now button? Looks and has the feel of a supplier site to me, and is why i called my vendor of choice and nagged on him to go buy some to resell to me...

Just because they are willing to sell to individuals, and have a web page that feels like they are selling that they have a web site that includes some of the same marketing flow as a vendor site, doesn't make that their primary business focus.

The repeat sales model you cite is just one... There is the other flip side to the same model. Sell it cheap enough that you're customer comes back and buys more just to "try things out".. Both models have applications. Neither is the "answer" to all people.

For me an item of this low a price what i am valuing is that this company is hooking back into their customers for feedback and improving the product in ways that make it a better fit for us. Especially at the kind of prices these are ($3 each) I'm more that willing to toss the dice, and give feedback. If they dont work for me, I have a place to make it clear to the mfg what i didnt like, and then i toss them in the pail, and move on.... Scads a pack of 5 is the same cost that i was spending on a 2 pack special of reds..... and so far that pack of 5 has lasted me 3 weeks.. Got no where near that kind of mileage outta those reds.

 

[gingersnaps]

I got my e2s yesterday and hubby and I absolutely love them. I ordered prefilled but when I tried them I could not get past the nasty new rubber taste from the rings and caps. so I took them apart. removing the inner ring was a PITA, I ruined the first one that came out. I realized there was no way I wanted to deal with taking it out and putting it back every time I cleaned a carto and I don't want to have to keep a syringe. I want to fairly easily be able to refill without having to carry a bunch of accessories.

after everything was thoroughly cleaned and dried. don't forget to shake the carto to get the water out of the reservoir since it doesn't just blow out like regular cartos lol. I put the bottom ring in upside down then the center and the cap. I tried without the bottom ring but I didn't like the airflow. left all of them sitting on their side overnight and no major leaking. I had one that had a touch of mild condensation like leak but still much less than I have gotten from a normal carto.

these are just the r3 since they have the slots but I really don't see anything wrong except the inner plug need to be a bit easier to remove and put back. I don't think the part that fits around the sides of the cup needs to be so long and the inner part that fits into the cup can probably go. maybe even have a notch on the inner part where it meets the cup to get a grip on.

taste and vapor is incredible. I had gone to dripping bc of the fact that I can't tolerate the taste of any filler and it is like dripping without the hassle.

we haven't had any wicking issues.

hubby tends to take very deep inhales and typically get little to no vapor but with this he's even getting good vapor.

 

[Fish Juice]

I dont know why we are going back and fourth bickerng at eachother, we are all here for the same reasons, and we are all vapors, we should be uniting and not dividing, you cant argue that quick is wrong, hes not, you cant argue that nav is wrong , he isnt and so on.

we are well aware this thing has been a nightmare, now do we bicker or do we try to get them to put up and fix these orders.
we can agree i hope that even though its been revision after revision that they continue to improve or try to improve the product.
i cant speak for the messes they keep making since i dont work there but if I did heads would roll immediatly.

Im speaking to martinez to get this sorted out and do the right thing and he has agreed, im not taking credit for this in anyway since i wasnt the one that cuased him to do so.
I am willing to help without breaking any forum rules, a member offered a solution to them and they like the idea and are willing to do it.
the people with GLUE or DEAD e2's form the last revisions not including revision 1 can contact them at info@e-liquid.cn, they will verfiy your past order and take it form there.

Im doing my best to stick this out, i still believe they want to sell a good product but most importantly i believe the E2 can be the ONE and im hoping the r4 is what we have been waiting for and im willing to wait to find out.
BUT.. I also made it clear , MY patience is running thin and the same applies to many members. they need to get their act straight and make sure people recieve exactly what they ordered.

So ill repeat
""They will exchange the bad E2's people have received in the last few weeks, some of these have glue inside and some might be DOA due to whatever reason. contact them with your email and order info at info@e-liquid.cn and they will set you up for a exchange based on the issue you have. You CAN'T get a exchange on your E2's just because you dont like the e2 and thats fair enough.
They will not honor the exchange for members who are selling their e2's and then asking for a exchange.

Thank you so much. I have sent them my info.

 

[rbonie]

this is where i agree with v1john big time, one a week is fantastic, that 4 a month, thats less then 6 bucks a month. Besides that i have gotten over and ove25 days and more out of these things I think im gonna ptb the one i use, vape it hard for a week and chuck it.

thats not to say if you take care of them and clean them every few days of heavy use that these things cant last for many weeks because they can but eventually they get to a point where a fresh one is better and its better to toss out the old one becuase of the issue you just explained with gunk thats harder to remove.

Bad;
I'm a SERIOUSLY heavy vaper. I could kill an Atty in 2/3 days, (which is why I went to cartos) I would get 4/5 days out of a carto but at $7.00 for 5 I could live with that. THESE THINGS ROCK!!! I've got like 90 of these things in various configurations, (510's , 808 reg and XL) . So far I've managed to kill 2 outright, (massacred the little buggers,) and have one or two that aren't up to snuff BUT...... Got 4/5 of them in active rotation and they haven't shown any signs of going out!!!!!
Hell I may never NEED to get r4's.Compared to where we've were and where we've been with ecigs Hell I'm in heaven!!!!!

 

[v1John]

Well since it's been properly attributed I'll take the blame and say that yes, I don't think we should have been allowed to buy from the factory directly. The number of upset members of which we don't actually have a count on, should be reason enough why this shouldn't happen. I'm glad that we have that option, but really, should we? Some of us can handle it understand the situation, others obviously can't.

well we're not buying from royal smokers directly, and yes we should be allowed, otherwise it's like saying people should not be allowed to buy things at sam's club, from now on people can only go to wal-mart?

if you are a re-seller you should not be allowed either then, because v4l was not able to either?

 

[dynasty]

ok, so day 6 on my first e2 carto. still working perfect. no issues at all. i really wish i could trust the company so that i could feel comfortable enough to place a large order from them directly

 

[v1John]

ok, so day 6 on my first e2 carto. still working perfect. no issues at all. i really wish i could trust the company so that i could feel comfortable enough to place a large order from them directly

How large? 2 of the 30 packs can last half a year or more..
The liquid has a good price too, I bought 3 of the 100ml bottles for about $20

If you mean a large order like v4l then royal smokers might be the place to go, but I have heard of customs concerns occasionally from big orders though I'm not sure of what kind of concerns

 

[dynasty]

large for me.. like 60-120

 

[arjay55]

I think rbonie makes a good point about having 6 or 7 in rotation. I do too, but probably do it a little different.

I've got 6 carto's set up at a time with different cartos and different juices. I finally have some C-E2xl v3.5's. They arrived yesterday with my eGo and 1300mah eGo style 510 battery (or Big Bertha as it shall be forever named). The C-E2's are Orange in colour, (Jeffrey, what were you thinking ) One has been modded with blue foam - our lipton ptb's are made of different material here in OZ and it doesn't work that well for me; and one original. Can't say I find much difference so the blue foam mustn't be up to the job. I got some black foam thinking it may be better but it looks very similar. I haven't had the chance to use it yet.

I have another 2 set up using the new joye510xl, which are a bit fiddly to fill as well, but have been working pretty good. These are the 'new' batch made of plastic, not a metal cylinder. They certainly hold nowhere near as much as a C-E2xl Not quite as clean or strong as the C-E2 imo but way better than the regular cartos I have used.

I also have 2 of the new eGo-Mega carto's on the go as well. Also fiddly to fill, but very, very close to the C-E2xl in every aspect. Great vapour and throat hit and taste. Lasts a long time too.

I have one of each type on a regular 510 battery and one of each type on the eGo and Big Bertha

I don't vape inside the house, so I load 2 or 3 in my pocket and go outside. Sometimes I'll take all six if I plan to stay awhile. I don't give much time between drags so after 4 of 5 hits I'll change to the next one. Never get a real 'dry vape', and I have found some really interesting combinations (and some shockers as well).

This works well for me. I just have them all sitting in a 'stubby holder' (I'll let you google that if you don't know what it is) when not being used so I never get leaking. If I go for a quick trip down to the shops I'll take a regular (filler) 510 carto and battery in case I drop it, lose it or bump into somebody and want to show it off.

I don't know if the r4 will be the holy grail but a good one - a real good one seems to be the best of the bunch out there. But the gap is closing - more than I expected.

 

[v1John]

large for me.. like 60-120

It's still a small order, if you think about it 120cartos(XL) with shipping could be around $160 or so from China,
but if you choose to get them from a U.S. vendor, 120cartos(XL) with shipping is around $270 (or more if the xl is $12 a 5pk)

So...I know what you mean, $160 is a large order, but $160 in the U.S. doesn't buy a whole lot, 2 or 3 cartons of cigarettes? (hence a small order)

 

[dynasty]

well i know "big picture" its a small order. But for me, 160 is huge, married with 3 kids and im the only one working in the house. But if 160 means i don't have to buy cartos for a looong time, i have no problem with it. BUT my concern is i spend 160, get them and theyre the junk cartos. I don't trust that if i get the junk cartos that i would be able to have them replaced. the difference in ordering locally is sure it will cost more in the long run, but i don't have to spend it all up front, and if i get garbage i know it will be replaced

 

[Turbo]

I'm trying the 401 XL's out today. 'banjo' wrote extensively about these so I don't have much to add. The threading was a little tight but I threw caution to the wind and kept going; they thread much easier now. The first fill didn't hold as much as my 808 XL's. Hit is mellow but expected at 3ohms on a 401.

I also got a RS 808 batt to try, the kind w/ the 'led' in the middle. It's a good 1/2" longer than a standard Kanger batt and not quite as long as an XL batt. It's pretty cool to see the 'led' light up in front of your nose. I'm so use to seeing the 'led' in the front that I thought it was dead at first...lol. They don't appear to be sealed although I need to get a good light source to see what's happening in there.