ECA Misinformation

[Kate]

Could someone from the ECA explain the logic behind this claim, I think it brings your integrity and credibility into question:

"... an electronic cigarette cartridge, depending on manufacturer and cartridge style, produces 0-16 mgs of nicotine when fully consumed by approximately 300 puffs. A recent industry study indicates the average electronic cigarette user takes 62.8 puffs per day. This suggests the average electronic cigarette smoker is consuming 3.36 mg of nicotine per day ..."
Electronic Cigarette Myths and Facts | Electronic Cigarette Association

The average amount of eliquid used per day is 2-3ml, not less than a cartridge (which could be 0.3-1ml) - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...cussion/2817-how-much-eliquid-do-you-use.html

16mg isn't the upper limit for strength, eliquid up to 48mg per ml can be bought.

300 puffs isn't what people usually get from a cartridge (0.3-1ml), less than 60 per ml is the usual apparently - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/6525-draws-puffs-per-ml.html

Could you provide a link for this please - "... recent industry study indicates the average electronic cigarette user takes 62.8 puffs per day .."

Thanks.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...15444-message-eca-president-7.html#post253028




These threads might help with future information:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...rs-forum/6074-marketing-advice-suppliers.html

Myths about liquid nicotine and delivery devices - *E-Cigtest, the ultimate electronic cigarettes review site* - Le site de la cigarette électronique

 

[frogbmth]

Bump, its good to get it right before broadcasting 'facts'

62.8 puffs per day? Are you kidding? I have that by 10am

 

[ccure]

62.8 puff per day if I sleep the whole day!

Yes, we need an explanation on that.

 

[lordmage]

agreed with kate's math and the other threads information some serious updating needs to be done.

 

[Kate]

Come on ECA, truth and transparency please. Some of us want to support you but can't because you're putting the cart before the horse.

 

[Faethe]

Come on ECA, truth and transparency please. Some of us want to support you but can't because you're putting the cart before the horse.

Does this mean I have to wear a little puff o meter so I don't go outside the guidelines?

 

[LaceyUnderall]

Ok... sorry it took me so long to get an answer, but from what I have been told, it is from a study that was done about a year ago and I am working on getting a copy of the study to post.

 

[Kate]

ECA is still making this statement:

Myth: People consume too much nicotine with electronic cigarettes because there is no governor.
Fact: The amount of nicotine in electronic cigarettes is much less than other OTC products.

Tobacco cigarettes and smoking cessation products, like electronic cigarettes and many other non-smoking-related products, rely on consumers to regulate their consumption and use according to manufacturer labeling. No one can control the misuse of products when directions are not followed.

That said, the intake of nicotine from electronic cigarettes appears to be substantially less than acceptable standards already in the marketplace. For instance, the consumption of a tobacco cigarette delivers about 1-1.5 mg of nicotine; with the average US smoker consuming 13.9 cigarettes per day, they consume 14-21 mg of nicotine per day. Depending on the smoking cessation product, labeling suggests consumption of 6-48 mg of nicotine per day.

By comparison, an electronic cigarette cartridge, depending on manufacturer and cartridge style, produces 0-16 mgs of nicotine when fully consumed by approximately 300 puffs. A recent industry study indicates the average electronic cigarette user takes 62.8 puffs per day. This suggests the average electronic cigarette smoker is consuming 3.36 mg of nicotine per day, far less than that typically consumed when using tobacco cigarettes or smoking cessation products.

Electronic Cigarette Myths and Facts | Electronic Cigarette Association

It just looks like deliberate misinformation to me now. How are we supposed to support an organisation that appears to lie so easily?

 

[ccure]

Come on ECA!

It is about time that someone from ECA to give us an answer about this. Or at least accept that you made a mistake and correct it.

 

[majormom72]

It does state "average" and the many variables in the products and liquids used is obvious, not to mention everyone has a different style of vaping... so whats that problem? Statistics are very basic and normally allow for a pretty substantial margin of error...

I vape tons less than I ever smoked even before I was a 2 pack a day smoker.....in fact the longer I am a non analog user...the less I vape...I wonder how many others are in the same situation.

It was my choice to quit smoking, using the ecig, not replace the habit with them which might make a difference in the reality of these numbers. Who is considered avereage and why, in this case?? That would be more defining information.

 

[Kate]

I get the feeling that this is more to do with politics than trying to be helpful for vapers.

The ECA appear to have appointed themselves as our political representatives and seem to want to address every potentially negative argument that might be directed at us - in this case "People consume too much nicotine with electronic cigarettes because there is no governor."

The fact is that we have no reliable measurements to counter that view so something seems to have been conveniently invented.

Is this just a case of political spin?

 

[Krakkan]

Kate I am sure when Joanna finds the source info for you it will be posted for you to scrutinize and discuss...

 

[LaceyUnderall]

Ok... sorry it took me so long to get an answer, but from what I have been told, it is from a study that was done about a year ago and I am working on getting a copy of the study to post.

Kate - I did post this? Did you not see it?

I am working on getting a link to the study for you.

 

[Kate]

That query was initially acknowledged by Lacey on the 5th May and the ECA website still has what I think is misleading information. I don't like to see you make statements that will bring your honesty into question and I can't see how those figures can be related to real life experience.

Check the figures yourself, what you are claiming is fantasy.

EDIT

I did see your acknowledgement Lacey and that was a couple of days ago. The original post was written on another thread and you acknowledged it on 5th May.

Even if you find the study that shows we only take sixty odd draws a day I can't see how you can tie this into real life experience.

16mg is not the upper limit and a cartridge is not a standard size.

 

[LaceyUnderall]

That query was initially acknowledged by Lacey on the 5th May and the ECA website still has what I think is misleading information. I don't like to see you make statements that will bring your honesty into question and I can't see how those figures can be related to real life experience.

Check the figures yourself, what you are claiming is fantasy.

Prove to me that this is misinformation and please provide a link to a scientific study and not to the forum.

 

[Kate]

You're the ones making the claims, I have good reason to doubt you. Protocol is that the person making claims is obliged to provide proof.

 

[Letzin Hale]

Come on ECA, truth and transparency please. Some of us want to support you but can't because you're putting the cart before the horse.

Good grief!! Don't tell me they're testing them on horses?!!

Kitty WILL NOT be pleased!!

 

[LaceyUnderall]

You're the ones making the claims, I have good reason to doubt you. Protocol is that the person making claims is obliged to provide proof.

And as I noted, I am working on getting you the link to the study. I agree with you that anything the ECA says should have backup and I am sure that it does and if it doesn't, I too would like the claim taken down.

However, if you are looking for someone who should be proving their claims, might I direct your energy to ASH who is making the claim that "If you don’t want people sitting next to you – in a waiting room, restaurant, bar, or any other area where smoking is now prohibited – using one of these devices to get around smoking bans, and forcing you and your loved ones to inhale deadly nicotine – please help now!"

4dangers

 

[Kate]

If you're saying that you are in the same league as ASH US then that really knocks your credibility to zero, they are known liars. Out of context, out of perspective and spinning uncontrollably.

I'm not interested in them, that's like dealing with trolls. If you've set yourself up in opposition comparable to that then you really have problems.

 

[LaceyUnderall]

Kate -

I am working on getting the study for you. I am only the messenger so please, bear with me. I am working on it and find the same importance in understanding the claim as do you.