Ecigs have been banned?

[Trick]

I'd love to hear what the FDA would be protecting us from, exactly. What do we, as citizens, have to gain from allowing the FDA to control whether and how we use nicotine?

Are there studies out there showing that it's more dangerous than other substances we ingest every day? I mean, sure, it's been shown to be addictive, but how is addiction in itself something we need to be protected from? Why would the government need any more say about my nicotine intake? How is my life, or anyone's, improved by giving them that power?

I really don't see it. I can't even get a grip on what it is they're supposed to be protecting me from.

 

[Leatherneck]

I'd love to hear what the FDA would be protecting us from, exactly.

Only the burden of making our own decisions.

 

[supergerbil]

I really don't see it. I can't even get a grip on what it is they're supposed to be protecting me from.

Don't worry, they don't know either.

 

[StormFinch]

As far as I can tell there is not going to be any such actual ban:
USCODE Title 21 section 387g(d)
(3) Limitation on power granted to the Food and Drug Administration
Because of the importance of a decision of the Secretary to issue a regulation—
(A) banning all cigarettes, all smokeless tobacco products, all little cigars, all cigars other than little cigars, all pipe tobacco, or all roll-your-own tobacco products; or
(B) requiring the reduction of nicotine yields of a tobacco product to zero,
the Secretary is prohibited from taking such actions under this chapter.


From what I can tell the FDA is just doing its job, and there is nobody trying to end the use of electronic cigarettes.

Oooohh... so that's why they tried to make e-cigs a drug delivery device and blocked all incoming shipments of hardware and liquids from China.

No, now that it's a tobacco product they'll probably have a harder time getting rid of it altogether. However, they can;

- Make the e-liquid only legally sold in 1 mg single use cartridges.

- Ban all flavors besides unflavored and generic tobacco flavored.

- Remove all equipment not in use before 2007 without requiring extensive and expensive safety testing. This includes almost everything besides 1.5 hour 501 or 808 batteries and standard atomizers.

I don't know about you, but I happen to like my e-Gos and peach flavored e-juice.

 

[Jman8]

That a mod can move this discussion to. Add to that, you are no longer a newbie after post #5

I say move this to the other place where discussion happens. I vote for that.

Thought about moving myself to other areas after post 5, but discussion here was looking so promising until someone tossed around the troll assessment and acting like a mod.

I guess I'll bow out of this discussion and join you all in other areas of ECF.

Thanks for your warm welcome.

 

[ClippinWings]

I am asking for where that info is coming from.

This is the last time this will be posted for you... after this, if you again claim you've never seen this info, I'll report you for trolling myslef:

Let me google that for you

 

[Sunshinefl8788]

I think the FDA is a joke!! They pretend to want to regulate a product for OUR benefit when it simply boils down to $$$......It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the FDA is in the pocket of big tobacco! They want to "regulate" e-cigs and e liquids while big tobacco is steady pumping out cancer sticks!! If they were really concerned with public heath, they would have banned those long before many of us ever started smoking!!

I mean why "regulate" a product that is a known killer? It is like saying we will add a little orange juice to some arsenic so it will taste good just before you die lol They ALLOW cigarettes because of the $$$ that is involved....look at the tax dollars that would be lost from a ban....they will do everything in their power to put their hands in the e-cig cookie jar...NOT to help us, but to make money!!

 

[tartanraven]

This is a typical sign of a nanny state....assuming (hoping) that it's people are too stupid to look after themselves. There is an active petition that could use some signatures regarding this topic.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...igarettes-accessories-and-associated/RQLBYRsd

 

[tA71ana]

Primarily it would spawn a massive reduction in taxes. When people get over the idea that the FDA and government are about anything other than special interest, I think the answers are clear. I do not believe for a minute that the FDA is concerned about our collective health in vaping when they allow arsenic and MOAI's in cigarettes.

You've got that right, lol
Taxes they wouldn't get because the Massive Criminal Enterprises wouldn't be paying any taxes.

 

[glasseye]

Taxing and licensing I'm generally okay with / accept it.
Prohibited is different from banning? How?

I'm generally not in favor of banning anything, feel free to test me on that. I dislike what has been done to smokes in our world, but live with it and realize some of the Big Brothering has come from ex-smokers who have different take than I do.

Agree that being pro-active is not a bad thing. I think it is a good thing and this is not first time I've spoken on this topic. Won't be the last either.

I meant prohibit as in obstruct or hinder. Where there's a will there's a way. Maybe I should make plans for a Vape-Easy in the basement with some fake walls and perimeter cameras. j/k, I don't even have a basement.

I'm really not OK with a bunch of taxing or licensing, but I'm not naive enough to think it won't happen. I would like to believe the more noise we make MAY just keep the FDA from running rough shod over us completely.

 

[Leatherneck]

I don't know about you, but I happen to like my e-Gos and peach flavored e-juice.

Agreed (except the peach thing). Further I like not having to ask someone for permission to use them. I like not having to pay a "sin tax" for the right to use them.

 

[Jman8]

Again, leaving the nanny state that is what this thread has become and will post elsewhere on ECF.

 

[tartanraven]

Again, leaving the nanny state that is what this thread has become and will post elsewhere on ECF.

There is no need to "take your ball and go home"....I'm just saying that those wishing to engage in activist rhetoric tend to gravitate to the appropriate forum. I posted a link to an appropriate and active and necessary white house sponsored petition on the subject...that is the best way to get these opinions into the correct ears aye?

 

[DoctorJ]

lol

 

[tartanraven]

View attachment 169319

lol

I totally nicked that gif!

 

[Jimi D.]

I say we ban all coffee makers in the FDA offices.

 

[DoctorJ]

I totally nicked that gif!

Sounds dirty, but I've already been warned about you Brits

 

[DoctorJ]

I say we ban all coffee makers in the FDA offices.

Ban coffee???? I hate the stuff personally, but do you want our country to shut down completely?????

 

[tartanraven]

Sounds dirty, but I've already been warned about you Brits

Everything you've heard is true! We have sleeper cells in the Colonies spying on you!!! Jimi D, I propose that we ban all further banning!

 

[DoctorJ]

Everything you've heard is true! We have sleeper cells in the Colonies spying on you!!!

That explains BBC America.