Factors on a RTA that decide over taste?

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It's big, heavy and a PiTA to wick and maintain but well worth it IMHO. Only takes a few builds to get the hang of the correct coil leg length and wicking. The ceramic cup can get quite stained from juices and it's easy to clean in between builds with no coil installed. Carefully slide the cup straight up out of the base, put a metal rod through one of the holes and hit it with the butane torch. Once the ceramic starts to glow all the staining burns right off, let it cool and you'll find it is pristine white again.

The Rose V2 comes with an awesome build stand (you need it to get the bottom off for full disassembly). I like the integrated drip tip/JFC, it could be a con to those that don't like a metal drip tip though. You have to remove the tank to fill it but it not a deal breaker. I hold the drip tip in place as I unscrew the base so it goes back on where it was before filling. If you push the drip tip to one side when filling it's easier to get juice in quicker.
Thanks for all the tips. I watched a few tutorials but I do have a question. There's some sort of spiral/springy thing inside the chimney. I was told I could take that out. Is it some sort of AF reducer? I actually won this in a giveaway and it belonged to Reddhott but only used once. It's a Tobecco so I don't have the stand. Other than that it seems like a well built clone. I assume you wick it traditionally with the wick folded back around?
 

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Small chamber that bell-curves to the chimney. Excess air (large chamber) just adds more air to the mix.

The bell-curve just assists the air flow going up to the chimney flue.

There are so many variables involved with the taste that nothing is deal-breaker by itself...even the size of the chamber.
That's why I'm glad @flexy123 started this thread because I see a lot of confusion over this subject.
 

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haven't used it myself but it's meant to be the dogs $%#@@%$
it comes with two air flow rings one for mtl and one for DL

it would be like having both the dvarw and the dvarwDL in the one tank

the deck is same posts n layout all be it without the adjustable air hole at the coiland the wick going down rather than the juice intake at sides
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i would love to agree but for a slightly open mtl i have been using this one (and the manta,doggie,dvarw) for years it's 30 mm the chamber is huge and is amazing for tobacco and custardsView attachment 816545
What is that? From the image it's hard to tell it's a 30mm atty.
Btw, your avi is terrifying:eek::p
 

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My apologies. I got carried away over flavor, and confused the issue...:cry:

There's nothing to apologize for. There is a reason these newer tanks better resemble an RDA in design than the older tanks..

The short chamber with a short narrow chimney is giving better flavor than older designs. You still have to concern yourself with coil placement in relation to airflow, but when you do flavor is better.

Not everyone cares to hear it apparently, but RDA flavor profiles are currently driving the designs of new RTA's atm, at least in some cases.
 
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As for flavor over the KFL, the BSKR has a slot below the coil to allow more airflow over a wider coil.
As you may know, the Prime has a slot underneath the coil but on closer observation you see that it is actually a round air hole inside the slot. Is this the case with the Berserker, too?
 

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What is that? From the image it's hard to tell it's a 30mm atty.
Btw, your avi is terrifying:eek::p
yeah the avatar is getting changed soon its affecting my sleep now :D

don't laugh ;)

it's the 2013-2014 30mm smok x-pure this with dual tiny macro coils(using cotton as wick) as close to the air flow slits in the deck along with the huge chamber makes custard a joy
 

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It was just yesterday I dug out my old KF5 and compared it to my even older KFL+. I mean both atties are...BIG. (Ok, holding them side-by-side now, the KF5 has definitely a longer chimney, about 0.7cm or so, chamber size might be about the same.

At 13-14W for MTL, the KF5 has significantly less flavour even than the old KFL+.

And then of course we have these people who raved up the Berserker as one of the best MTL devices with "the best flavour" (the Berserker's leaking is a whole different story...) - but then with these shorter atties, vape can get unpleasantly hot at anything above 12W. This is why I am still using my KFL2+ (with the large acrylic tank) since I like that the vape is cooler/smoother and I don't notice a large general flavour difference otherwise.
I get what you're saying, flexy, and I've heard some complain about their BSKRs leaking but then they are the same folks that have leak issues on other things. Sometimes it turns out to be an o-ring and other times, incorrect wicking.

If I may hazard a supposition:p, some people just prefer warm to very warm vapes and the coils being closer to their mouths gives them that. To get the flavor, the build will have to accommodate the design of the RTA and will most likely be different than a KF. I, for one, prefer tepid vapes:p.

I enjoy KF like vapes and other types but I personally can't compare the two. I experience them like two different animals even if the flavor is comparable.

ETA: Have you tried the shortie KFL 2019? Most KF lovers give it a thumbs up (esp. with the extension).
 
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yeah the avatar is getting changed soon its affecting my sleep now :D

don't laugh ;)

it's the 2013-2014 30mm smok x-pure this with dual tiny macro coils(using cotton as wick) as close to the air flow slits in the deck along with the huge chamber makes custard a joy
I just looked at a pic. Interesting deck. What's the I.D. of the chamber?
 

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Thanks for all the tips. I watched a few tutorials but I do have a question. There's some sort of spiral/springy thing inside the chimney. I was told I could take that out. Is it some sort of AF reducer? I actually won this in a giveaway and it belonged to Reddhott but only used once. It's a Tobecco so I don't have the stand. Other than that it seems like a well built clone. I assume you wick it traditionally with the wick folded back around?
I've never seen this spring insert and I don't have that piece in my boxes. It must have been an after market thing. The Tobecco's came with the stand as well, someone just kept it. ;)

I wick it by splitting the Rayon out each channel and trimming it flush to the threads.

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Welcome to Rose V2 it's a ticket to flavor town! ;)
 

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As you may know, the Prime has a slot underneath the coil but on closer observation you see that it is actually a round air hole inside the slot. Is this the case with the Berserker, too?
I'm not exactly sure as I haven't pulled the center post out. When I rebuild it again, I'll have a look.
 
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I've never seen this spring insert and I don't have that piece in my boxes. It must have been an after market thing. The Tobecco's came with the stand as well, someone just kept it. ;)

I wick it by splitting the Rayon out each channel and trimming it flush to the threads.

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Welcome to Rose V2 it's a ticket to flavor town! ;)
Oh heck, that's the easier way, thx! I've always liked this type of wicking like on a Hurricane or the newer Silverplay.

Re: the stand. I watched a Tobecco clone review and he said it didn't come with the stand. You're talking about the part you can use to hold your tank upside down, right?

TY for the pix, TD.
 
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For me I always look at how reduced the chamber is, the diameter of the air hole on the deck, whether the chamber has a bell curve to it. I am extremely picky about which juice I run in each tank because the properties change so much. I also tend to check if a tank has a full stainless option because I find the heat really helps with certain flavours, kind of like a pressure cooker. These are my opinions on most of my favourite RTA's.

Kayfun Lite V2 Plus. This will always be a favourite of mine because it still offers very good flavour and has an almost chewy quality to the vape which makes you want to really savour each inhale. Fabulous with custards, good with fruit but outclassed often with tobacco vapes. At least in terms of what I enjoy. Can get away with 70VG but tends to clog sometimes. Worth putting up with due to capacity.

Gus Mods Phenomenon Lite. Extremely reduced chamber and is outstanding to this day for juiciness when it comes to apple and other fruity vapes. Building is a touch fiddly due to limited space and filling is a chore. Good in general up to 70VG.

Rose V2. As mentioned by @TrollDragon It is something of a pain in the neck to build and wick and has too many parts and little quirks which would likely put off most average vapers. But once you get it right it is fantastic for fruit and tobacco vapes.

Taifun GT III. Superb for custards and tobaccos. Excellent range of airflow options but needs separate reducer to be true MTL. Juice control can be a touch over sensitive at times and it is a large and to some quite ugly tank.

GP Heron 1.5. Outstanding for Manabush tobacco dessert juices which I adore since the creator designed his juices for this particular tank. Can be fiddly for newbies to wick. Not so good with high VG. But so easy to fill and the O-rings have never failed on this beauty.

Tilemahos V2 Plus. Outstanding for custards. Lot's of parts make it easy to lose stuff down the sink. Can do MTL and restricted DTL. Gets very hot which suits certain juices.

Ataman II. Only have the clone but vaping tobacco in this is the equivalent of smoking Russian cigarettes. Insane throat hit and excellent tobacco notes. Fairly decent with fruit but sucks with custard juices. Raised airflow post effectively prevents any leaking even if the chamber floods.

Squape RS. With the bottom deck this tank offers almost dripper quality flavour with fruits and drinks juices. Good airflow options and super simple to build, but annoying to fill.

Evl Reaper V3. Most recent purchase and does an outstanding job with just about every juice I vape in it. Certainly in my top 5 tanks. Very dense flavour and once more that chewy vape quality. A touch confusing due to reverse juice flow control and the separate airflow ring might annoy. No problems at all with high VG. Definitely try the clone!

Dvarw. Truly solid RTA, similar design philosophy to the Ataman II which makes sense since the original comes from Eastern Europe. Kind of the tank you want in a vape apocalypse. No moving parts. Great with fruits, good with tobacco and very good with custards. Get the one with oval wick holes and high VG is no issue.

EHPRO True MTL. Excellent budget RTA. Fill port kind of stiff and you need to get the wicking right but delivers on point flavour especially with tobacco and fruits. Only issue I have with it is the poor capacity even with the bubble tank.

Then of course there's the Kayfun Prime and the Kayfun Lite 2019 but I don't want to overwhelm with info.
 
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RTA advertising claims regarding better flavor are mostly puffery. (Corollary: users who blame poor flavor on their RTA are mostly bad builders.) The flavor mainly has to do with the juice, wick, and coil which are solely under your control. The RTA's job is to efficiently direct the airflow over the coils so they heat evenly. If it does a bad job flavor can be adversely impacted. Consider the location of the airflow when you're deciding how high to mount your coils. The deciding factors are the style and size of the build deck, and whether it has TFTA (top fill top airflow) which makes it leak-proof at the expense of reduced capacity.
 
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Oh heck, that's the easier way, thx! I've always liked this type of wicking like on a Hurricane or the newer Silverplay.

Re: the stand. I watched a Tobecco clone review and he said it didn't come with the stand. You're talking about the part you can use to hold your tank upside down, right?

TY for the pix, TD.
You are most welcome.

That little cylinder stand, is threaded on one side to hold the atty, and has a bigger hole on the other side for the inverted tank to sit in. On the side of it there is a cut out with two raised pins that fit in the bottom of the base so you can disassemble it, it also comes with a 4mm rod to fit in the hole on the side of the base acting as a wrench.

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You could probably use a pair of needle nose pliers in the holes on the base if you had to get it apart down the road.

Spare cups for when you break one. ;)
https://www.fasttech.com/products/1928001
 

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    For me I always look at how reduced the chamber is, the diameter of the air hole on the deck, whether the chamber has a bell curve to it. I am extremely picky about which juice I run in each tank because the properties change so much. I also tend to check if a tank has a full stainless option because I find the heat really helps with certain flavours, kind of like a pressure cooker. These are my opinions on most of my favourite RTA's.

    Kayfun Lite V2 Plus. This will always be a favourite of mine because it still offers very good flavour and has an almost chewy quality to the vape which makes you want to really savour each inhale. Fabulous with custards, good with fruit but outclassed often with tobacco vapes. At least in terms of what I enjoy. Can get away with 70VG but tends to clog sometimes. Worth putting up with due to capacity.

    Gus Mods Phenomenon Lite. Extremely reduced chamber and is outstanding to this day for juiciness when it comes to apple and other fruity vapes. Building is a touch fiddly due to limited space and filling is a chore. Good in general up to 70VG.

    Rose V2. As mentioned by @TrollDragon It is something of a pain in the neck to build and wick and has too many parts and little quirks which would likely put off most average vapers. But once you get it right it is fantastic for fruit and tobacco vapes.

    Taifun GT III. Superb for custards and tobaccos. Excellent range of airflow options but needs separate reducer to be true MTL. Juice control can be a touch over sensitive at times and it is a large and to some quite ugly tank.

    GP Heron 1.5. Outstanding for Manabush tobacco dessert juices which I adore since the creator designed his juices for this particular tank. Can be fiddly for newbies to wick. Not so good with high VG. But so easy to fill and the O-rings have never failed on this beauty.

    Tilemahos V2 Plus. Outstanding for custards. Lot's of parts make it easy to lose stuff down the sink. Can do MTL and restricted DTL. Gets very hot which suits certain juices.

    Ataman II. Only have the clone but vaping tobacco in this is the equivalent of smoking Russian cigarettes. Insane throat hit and excellent tobacco notes. Fairly decent with fruit but sucks with custard juices. Raised airflow post effectively prevents any leaking even if the chamber floods.

    Squape RS. With the bottom deck this tank offers almost dripper quality flavour with fruits and drinks juices. Good airflow options and super simple to build, but annoying to fill.

    Evl Reaper V3. Most recent purchase and does an outstanding job with just about every juice I vape in it. Certainly in my top 5 tanks. Very dense flavour and once more that chewy vape quality. A touch confusing due to reverse juice flow control and the separate airflow ring might annoy. No problems at all with high VG. Definitely try the clone!

    Dvarw. Truly solid RTA, similar design philosophy to the Ataman II which makes sense since the original comes from Eastern Europe. Kind of the tank you want in a vape apocalypse. No moving parts. Great with fruits, good with tobacco and very good with custards. Get the one with oval wick holes and high VG is no issue.

    EHPRO True MTL. Excellent budget RTA. Fill port kind of stiff and you need to get the wicking right but delivers on point flavour especially with tobacco and fruits. Only issue I have with it is the poor capacity even with the bubble tank.

    Then of course there's the Kayfun Prime and the Kayfun Lite 2019 but I don't want to overwhelm with info.

    This info is just awesome - thank you for taking the time to do it. I've been tossing up between a few different RTAs and you've helped make up my mind - evl reaper v3 wins ;)
     

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    Fundamentally an RTA is just an RDA immersed in a tank, so I think we can lump them together.

    Key elements for flavour -
    • Small chamber
    • Generally a bell shaped chamber roof, though the fluid dynamics inside an atomizer are incredibly complex.
    • A short direct path from coil to mouth hole.
    • Coil position
    • Effective wicking so the vape is nicely saturated.
    This subject has been discussed at some length before
    RDA - Characteristics of "flavor" attys
    I have been wrong about air flow in RDAs all the time...
     

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    You are most welcome.

    That little cylinder stand, is threaded on one side to hold the atty, and has a bigger hole on the other side for the inverted tank to sit in. On the side of it there is a cut out with two raised pins that fit in the bottom of the base so you can disassemble it, it also comes with a 4mm rod to fit in the hole on the side of the base acting as a wrench.

    View attachment 816903

    You could probably use a pair of needle nose pliers in the holes on the base if you had to get it apart down the road.

    Spare cups for when you break one. ;)
    https://www.fasttech.com/products/1928001
    Hey, thx for the link. So you think I'll break one, ey? Nice of FT to stock these old school bits:thumb:
     
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