FDA may soon propose regulation that could ban many/most e-cigarette products, eliminate many/most companies

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Our elected officials, for the most part, couldn't care less (period)
I recently got to bend the ear of my congress-critter while lined up to participate in the parade that opens our county fair. After giving him the talking points, he looked me straight in the eye and said "You know that they don't care, right?" (regarding the FDA's concern over "our health").
 

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I recently got to bend the ear of my congress-critter while lined up to participate in the parade that opens our county fair. After giving him the talking points, he looked me straight in the eye and said "You know that they don't care, right?" (regarding the FDA's concern over "our health").
Most of us that have been around for awhile know they don't care.
They've already proven that beyond any shadow of doubt.

The question is, can we MAKE them care.

I say we can, and I think we will when the time comes.
Who among us wants to go back to the path that leads to our deaths?
 

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The sad truth is that us e-cig users and harm reduction advocates are in the vast minorities. For every person that is for ecigs, there are 50 sheep against it. FDA knows this, and will try and push ahead regardless. Officials are mostly in the pockets of big tobacco / pharma, so most won't care. Sad but true. Our only hope is that someone in a position to influence the powers that be sees ecigs as the life-saver they are, and has enough sway.

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Just follow the money. That's what matters. I suggest figuring out a way to store as much as you can, as soon as possible. The media is giving more airtime about how they are going to tax it. Obama's first move was the executive order over health plan the kids and that is being paid for by tobacco. Roll your own tobacco tax went up 2000%, Bush wouldn't let it pass since the major part of the increase was on cigars not RYO tobacco. People that roll their own are mostly doing it because they can't afford the tax, so Big O is taking from the poor to pay for children that don't have health insurance. Anyway, in one of his first press conferences in 2k9 he stated that he will be going after ecig's as well. A bit later he appointed the head puppet for the FDA. It's sad that the States and Federal governments are going after it. It's especially bad when the politicians try to slip it in as a last minute ammendment to a bill that has nothing to do with it.

In Illinois, you are supposed to register to buy drain cleaner (just keeping you safe lol). Like the seatbelt law, they pass it then ten, twenty years later start enforcing it.
 

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The sad truth is that us e-cig users and harm reduction advocates are in the vast minorities. For every person that is for ecigs, there are 50 sheep against it. FDA knows this, and will try and push ahead regardless. Officials are mostly in the pockets of big tobacco / pharma, so most won't care. Sad but true. Our only hope is that someone in a position to influence the powers that be sees ecigs as the life-saver they are, and has enough sway.

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Does this make us wolves?

I would propose that a shepard finds comfort in his flock when faced with the howls of a lone wolf. But, when faced with the howls of a pack, no amount of bleating will console him.

We need to figure out how to get awareness out to people not involved in the internet community.
 

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Does this make us wolves?

I would propose that a shepard finds comfort in his flock when faced with the howls of a lone wolf. But, when faced with the howls of a pack, no amount of bleating will console him.

We need to figure out how to get awareness out to people not involved in the internet community.

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Now we're talkin !! :thumbs:
 

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I recently got to bend the ear of my congress-critter while lined up to participate in the parade that opens our county fair. After giving him the talking points, he looked me straight in the eye and said "You know that they don't care, right?" (regarding the FDA's concern over "our health").

Really lol
 

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In regards to today's Wall St. Journal article at
FDA Discusses Banning Online Sales of E-Cigarettes - WSJ.com

please note that the following statements in Stephen Drill's story were unsubstantiated rumors from unnamed source(s).

The Food and Drug Administration is considering a ban on online sales of electronic cigarettes, as part of a package of regulations the agency is readying for the increasingly popular devices, people familiar with the matter said.

As part of that effort, the FDA has discussed an online-sales ban to keep e-cigarettes out of the hands of minors and is looking at whether the minimum legal age for buying them should be 18 or 19, the people said. They said the agency is also reviewing television, radio and print advertising standards for the products.

The source(s) of these claims may have been FDA staff who was/were intentionally (or perhaps not) leaking it to Drill as a test balloon, or the source(s) may have been owners/execs/lawyers of e-cig companies that had a "listening session" with the FDA (perhaps e-cig companies that want FDA to ban Internet sales of e-cigs to increase their market share by eliminating competitors).

But the FDA has been discussing many different regulations to prevent cigarette smokers from switching to e-cigarettes since the agency conceded to comply with Judge Richard Leon's ruling (that struck down the FDA's unlawful ban of e-cig imports in 2009).

Among the potential e-cigarette regulations the FDA has considered/discussed include an Internet sales ban, television/radio ad ban, flavoring ban, e-liquid ban, and probably limiting the amount and concentration of nicotine in e-cigs. So what's been reported in today's Wall. St. Jrnl story is nothing new.

I don't know if FDA has the legal authority to ban e-cig sales (or advertising) on the Internet, as its been my understanding that only Congress has the legal authority to regulate the Internet.

I also don't know if the FDA has the legal authority to ban television or radio ads for e-cigs, as Congress authorized the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) with the legal authority to regulate the public airwaves, and it was the FTC that banned cigarette ads on television and radio back in 1970.

Unfortunately, I suspect that the only way to stop FDA from imposing an Internet sales/advertising ban/restriction or from banning e-cig ads on TV/radio is if e-cigarette company(ies) filed litigation against the FDA, which might not be able to be filed in federal court until after FDA gives Final Approval to the not yet proposed regs on e-cigarettes.

But I do know the FDA doesn't have the legal authority to establish 19 as minimum age for e-cigarette sales (or for the sale of any other tobacco products) because according to Section 906(d)(3)(A)(ii) of the TCA "No restrictions under paragraph (1) may -- establish a minimum age of sale of tobacco products to any person older than 18 years of age."

From 2004-2009, I campaigned to amend the TCA legislation to remove that clause so that FDA could ban the sale of cigarettes to all high school students (who are 18 during 12th and often 11th grade), although I don't support raising the minimum age for the sale of other tobacco products because they pose far fewer health risks.
 

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It's time for the vendors themselves to also get organized. They need at least a somewhat unified voice or the only 'vendor' getting to discuss the issue will be big tobacco.
Our mom & pop vendors aren't going to get organized
and go high-profile with the FDA. Not going to happen.
 
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