FDA may soon propose regulation that could ban many/most e-cigarette products, eliminate many/most companies

[Slickstick]

Don't give up DC2! I am pretty sure it is lack of knowledge. I don't think they would try to ban these if they knew the truth. Everything so far suggests they DO care. The Dems anyway. It is most likely they do not know it is a successful THR.

I am completely ticked at the response we received from the petition. Inconclusive data all of it in my eyes. There's just way too many variables in vaping. Besides what I consider to be a bogus report from the doctor at the FDA, the Great American Smokeout Video Obama made in response mentioned not one word about electronic cigarettes. This pisses me off to no end. Granted He took great strides with other tobacco related diseases, the question on the petition did not even ask if it was safe.

"We petition the Obama administration to recognize Electronic cigarettes as an alternative to smoking"

The response we got: They are potentially dangerous, what about the children, The FDA is taking steps to regulate, oh here is a video to show you I care and what we accomplished.

We didn't ASK that! We wanted him to recognize. Which he did not do in the video, only in a bogus FDA response.

Think about the children argument:

No suppliers I know of purposely sell to minors. We do pretty well at self regulation. Proper warning labels, thief proof and child proof bottles (which is irrelevant because it comes down to responsibility anyway), and all fda and rohs approved ingredients in the liquid, and yet we are not even drinking it. we are vaping the remnants. Please
Kids don't want to vape, they want to smoke. If a child or anyone else who never smoked tried vaping, and then smoking, they would most likely go back to vaping, and that is only if they did it long enough to get addicted. The flavors are one of the things that make ecigs so successful. Without this, it would be much more difficult to quit smoking. Everyone has to find their right vape and everyone is different.

Once more, if they are freaking hooked on smokes and then vape where is the harm? I do not sell to minors but I did give my son a kit when he was 17. He smoked like a freight train. I do not feel bad about it either. They are going to smoke cigs and drugs and drink alcohol weather we allow them to or not because most of the kids today do not pay attention or listen to their parents.

We all know that in the short term these are better for you. There are people on this forum that have been vaping over 5 years. We all feel better than we did when we smoked.

 

[Slickstick]

By the way I JUST got this:



Dear Gary,

Thank you for taking the time to contact President Obama and his reelection campaign. Your message has been read, reviewed, and recorded.

As a grassroots organization built by the American people, messages like yours help shape the course of the campaign. Although we may be unable to respond to your message individually, we do appreciate hearing from you.

If you would like to continue this discussion with the campaign in your community, you can locate the contact information for your local office by visiting Find the nearest Obama campaign office — Barack Obama.

For more information on the upcoming election, and President Obama’s policies, please visit: Barack Obama.

Thank you again for your input.

Sincerely,

Ann Marie Habershaw
Chief Operating Officer
Obama for America




SO they DO read the letters and are most likely watching this thread as well as my social site.

 

[Herdo]

You are entitled to your political preferences. No need to say sorry. But, I would say that the founding fathers knew more about the intent of the founding documents that any current citizen. Did they eliminate the word God from their documents?

No, they didn't remove it, because they never put it in there to begin with. God was for the most part entirely omitted from government documents for many, many years. Even the "In God We Trust" you see on US currency wasn't on our currency before 1956. Don't ever forget why this country was founded. This country was founded to escape a religiously governed country. The founding fathers were very clear about keeping all religion out of the government. Every time I hear someone refer to The United States as a "Christian Nation" I cringe and weep for what this country was intended to be.

EDIT: Also the Pledge of Allegiance was altered in 1954 to include "Under God". It wasn't always in there.

 

[TTK]

No, they didn't remove it, because they never put it in there to begin with. God was for the most part entirely omitted from government documents for many, many years. Even the "In God We Trust" you see on US currency wasn't on our currency before 1956. Don't ever forget why this country was founded. This country was founded to escape a religiously governed country. The founding fathers were very clear about keeping all religion out of the government. Every time I hear someone refer to The United States as a "Christian Nation" I cringe and weep for what this country was intended to be.

EDIT: Also the Pledge of Allegiance was altered in 1954 to include "Under God". It wasn't always in there.

Funny how we interpret and construct answers to questions according to our own beliefs. Notice I asked, "Did they eliminate God from their documents?" Of course there is no reference in the constitution. But that is not all of the documents they wrote. The founding fathers wrote many documents, some they combined to form a collective and some just individual. And as to whether it was never in the Constitution draft, or was there and removed, well to answer that you would have to go over all of the documents they wrote, edited, and combined to form the final document.
I believe this sub-discussion started when the Democrat Party removed and then reinserted the word God in their platform, which is not a government document. I am not going to continue this discussion into something different than the op intended, mods wouldn't allow it, but to contribute the following, as my last contribution:

Excerpted

The Declaration of Independence: A Transcription

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
...

 

[Luisa]

By the way I JUST got this:



Dear Gary,

Thank you for taking the time to contact President Obama and his reelection campaign. Your message has been read, reviewed, and recorded.

As a grassroots organization built by the American people, messages like yours help shape the course of the campaign. Although we may be unable to respond to your message individually, we do appreciate hearing from you.

If you would like to continue this discussion with the campaign in your community, you can locate the contact information for your local office by visiting Find the nearest Obama campaign office — Barack Obama.

For more information on the upcoming election, and President Obama’s policies, please visit: Barack Obama.

Thank you again for your input.

Sincerely,

Ann Marie Habershaw
Chief Operating Officer
Obama for America




SO they DO read the letters and are most likely watching this thread as well as my social site.

No,that is a form letter that is ent from the campaign. They want you to come to the local campaign office,donate,and volunteer. Sorry.that is the way it works. Frustrating,isn"t it?

 

[Angel Wings]

No,that is a form letter that is ent from the campaign. They want you to come to the local campaign office,donate,and volunteer. Sorry.that is the way it works. Frustrating,isn"t it?

Very frustrating......

 

[Lisa Belle]

I also, wish to thank Vocalek who side by side with Bill have kept all of us informed as to the truth regarding the very title of this thread. If it's true that the "Truth Shall Set You Free", and I am not green in the ears or years, for the first time in my entire life, I will switch my party and it's not party hahaha! I will not support or contribute to a largely bought and sold out government, not of the people or by the people or for the people, but for large corporations larger than the governments of the whole world combined. It's fueltil, fooltil and futile. Please forgive my twisted poetic sense of humor.

 

[Brewlady]

I called to set up a meeting to talk to Waxman, but his scheduler is out of the office this week.
They were going to transfer me to her voicemail, but I don't leave messages.

I'll be calling back next week.

THANK YOU!!!!!

 

[Slickstick]

Everyone can contact their local congressman via email here: Find Your Representative · House.gov Put in your zip code at the top of the page. Leave your testimony and links to credible information.

 

[jcoopercam]

You just know the tobacco lobby is working day and night to crush this industry.

 

[Fiamma]

You just know the tobacco lobby is working day and night to crush this industry.

Not tobacco, pharmaceuticals. Big Pharma has everything to lose from their ineffective NRT's and their drugs to treat smoker's diseases. We found anoither way, they are losing money. No new long term smokers, no more drug sales.

 

[damitintrblagain]

I am sure they both have a hand in it. Money talks. We need to keep letting our voice be heard. It does work. Arnie squelched the bill for California because we spoke up and let him know they had it disguised as a 'green' bill. It morphed into a bill to ban ecigs. Our voices exposed it for what it was.
Anyway to have a thread for pending legislation so we can head off these sneaky lobbyists?

 

[RosaJ]

By the way I JUST got this:



Dear Gary,

Thank you for taking the time to contact President Obama and his reelection campaign. Your message has been read, reviewed, and recorded.

As a grassroots organization built by the American people, messages like yours help shape the course of the campaign. Although we may be unable to respond to your message individually, we do appreciate hearing from you.

If you would like to continue this discussion with the campaign in your community, you can locate the contact information for your local office by visiting Find the nearest Obama campaign office — Barack Obama.

For more information on the upcoming election, and President Obama’s policies, please visit: Barack Obama.

Thank you again for your input.

Sincerely,

Ann Marie Habershaw
Chief Operating Officer
Obama for America




SO they DO read the letters and are most likely watching this thread as well as my social site.

I'm surprised they didn't ask for a donation to the campaign!

 

[RosaJ]

Don't give up DC2! I am pretty sure it is lack of knowledge. I don't think they would try to ban these if they knew the truth. Everything so far suggests they DO care. The Dems anyway. It is most likely they do not know it is a successful THR.

I am completely ticked at the response we received from the petition. Inconclusive data all of it in my eyes. There's just way too many variables in vaping. Besides what I consider to be a bogus report from the doctor at the FDA, the Great American Smokeout Video Obama made in response mentioned not one word about electronic cigarettes. This pisses me off to no end. Granted He took great strides with other tobacco related diseases, the question on the petition did not even ask if it was safe.

"We petition the Obama administration to recognize Electronic cigarettes as an alternative to smoking"

The response we got: They are potentially dangerous, what about the children, The FDA is taking steps to regulate, oh here is a video to show you I care and what we accomplished.

We didn't ASK that! We wanted him to recognize. Which he did not do in the video, only in a bogus FDA response.

Think about the children argument:

No suppliers I know of purposely sell to minors. We do pretty well at self regulation. Proper warning labels, thief proof and child proof bottles (which is irrelevant because it comes down to responsibility anyway), and all fda and rohs approved ingredients in the liquid, and yet we are not even drinking it. we are vaping the remnants. Please
Kids don't want to vape, they want to smoke. If a child or anyone else who never smoked tried vaping, and then smoking, they would most likely go back to vaping, and that is only if they did it long enough to get addicted. The flavors are one of the things that make ecigs so successful. Without this, it would be much more difficult to quit smoking. Everyone has to find their right vape and everyone is different.

Once more, if they are freaking hooked on smokes and then vape where is the harm? I do not sell to minors but I did give my son a kit when he was 17. He smoked like a freight train. I do not feel bad about it either. They are going to smoke cigs and drugs and drink alcohol weather we allow them to or not because most of the kids today do not pay attention or listen to their parents.

We all know that in the short term these are better for you. There are people on this forum that have been vaping over 5 years. We all feel better than we did when we smoked.

I have a question: How are kids getting their hands on cigarettes, or alcoholic beverages, or drugs in the first place? Prohibition didn't work in the last century, nor will it work today. I don't agree selling any of these to children, but what makes them think that by banning e-cigs kids won't get them if they really want to? I have three children and smoked for 40 years before quitting with ecigs and none of my kids smoke.

 

[sonicdsl]

I am sure they both have a hand in it. Money talks. We need to keep letting our voice be heard. It does work. Arnie squelched the bill for California because we spoke up and let him know they had it disguised as a 'green' bill. It morphed into a bill to ban ecigs. Our voices exposed it for what it was.
Anyway to have a thread for pending legislation so we can head off these sneaky lobbyists?

Lots of threads in this sub-forum: Electronic Cigarette News

 

[Vocalek]

I am sure they both have a hand in it. Money talks. We need to keep letting our voice be heard. It does work. Arnie squelched the bill for California because we spoke up and let him know they had it disguised as a 'green' bill. It morphed into a bill to ban ecigs. Our voices exposed it for what it was.
Anyway to have a thread for pending legislation so we can head off these sneaky lobbyists?

You are going to be very surprised when you learn who the biggest enemies of e-cigarettes are, and it is NOT the tobacco industry. From day one, the people trying to get e-cigarettes banned have been the same orgnizations that have been hounding us for years to quit. They include the American Cancer Society, The American Heart Association, and the American Lung Association. These three teamed up with Campaign for Tobacco-free Kids to petition the FDA to ban imports of electronic cigarettes back in 2009. The FDA did its level best to get rid of the products, but a law suit filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia created an injunction against product seizures. The Judge in that case told the FDA they could not regulate the products as drugs under the Food, Drug, and Costmetics act unless the vendors made claims that the products could cure or treat a disease. The Judge advised the FDA to use the newly passed (then) Tobacco Act (full name - Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act) to regulate the products if the agency felt the need to protect the public against any quality control or other safety issues.

The World Health Organization denounced e-cigarettes back in 2008 and has not changed its stance. Americans for Nonsmokers Rights gets the credit for all the revised smoking bans that include e-cigarettes in the definition of smoking. The American Medical Association, like these other organizations, only wants smokers to be able to use the approved smoking cessation products made by Big Pharma. The Health Departments across the country have been fed a steady line of bologna about the products including such myths as they are just as hazardous to health as smoking and might cause cancer.

But the tobacco companies are conspiciously missing from the enemy camp. In fact, one of the largest vendors, Blu e-Cigs was recently purchased by Lorrilard, and the other major tobacco companies are making noises about bringing out their own e-cigarette products.

Money does talk, and e-cigarettes are where the money will be made in the future, as conventional smoked cigarettes are more and more marginalized by restrictions on where they can be used and insanely high taxes....not to mention the fact that an aging population of smokers is finally catching on to the fact that smoking actually is pretty hard on the lungs and cardiovascular system.

 

[Lisa Belle]

Me too. Neither of my adult aged Sons smoke. Blessed.

 

[Lisa Belle]

Elaine how can we change the minds of the groups, most against us? We know we speak about our own experiences and write volumes of letters to our Reps., but what can we do. Should we begin marching in DC? Can we make a public roar that won't be laughed at? The next step after writing, if Occupy Wall Street is dis-organized but recognized, we need to organize and be recognized by the news media and the American voting public!

 

[DC2]

We can never change the minds of the groups most against us.

But they still need public support, or at least public apathy, to get what they want.
So the only way we can beat them is to get the public on our side.

You would think that would be easy, because they are liars who can not support their position.

It is already happening, but it is happening much too slowly right now.
And what we really need is something to grab hold of the attention of the general public.

 

[RosaJ]

Read this today, this will certainly help bring awareness to more people:

Talking with Safecig on Aurora and Seminole Unconquered | Ecig Advanced News

I also read an article today stating that the number of people smoking has definitely gone down. I kind of chuckled as I know that there are a lot of us ex-smokers/new vapers in those numbers. Big Pharma is probably looking at their numbers and wondering why their profits don't match the number of ex-smokers. HEE HEE!