FDA Still Detaining & Holding E Cig Shipments

[upStomp]

A killing? No. Manufacturing is pretty much dead in this country due to the EPA, IRS, FDA, insert three letter gov't agency here plus the unions. You'd pay at least double the cost you pay right now for the same thing.

I very much understand and agree with the premise of your sentiment. However, I firmly believe that manufacturing quality would also double (in spite of regulations, not because of them). I would be willing to pay $15 per atty and $5 per carto if I knew they would work reliably and for twice as long as anything coming in from China.

 

[AttyPops]

MODERATOR: FYI - there's another thread to this effect in the "e-cig news" section. Both are good threads (my comments are in the other one). Getting confusing.

I would suggest that one or the other be closed/merged. Although, this thread is older than the other.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-cigarette-news/152108-fda-seizing-new-shipments.html

Neither are in the "e-cigs and the Law" section. lol.

Then again, maybe this situation isn't uncommon..........it's a popular topic.

 

[ManicMaurice]

A killing? No. Manufacturing is pretty much dead in this country due to the EPA, IRS, FDA, insert three letter gov't agency here plus the unions. You'd pay at least double the cost you pay right now for the same thing.

Sure wish there was a "like" button. I'm taking an economics class and one of our assignments was to do a business plan and source all our goods. I took on an eCig company and at first I was determined to show that it could be done in the US. My conclusion after about a month's worth of research is it can't. Nothing is manufactured in the US anymore, nothing. I ended up having to go to China to source everything. And I'm not talking about buying eGos from Joye. Our assignment was to source raw materials (electronics, machined parts, batteries, etc). The machined parts was doable in the US, but I discovered that in the US bigger is better and it is very difficult to find a precision machinist who can make very light weight metal enclosures. The best I could do was comparable to the MODs already manufactured in the US. Anything close to a KR8, 510, or eGo housing had to come from China.

 

[Cassie]

Someone should give the President an ecig, I bet things would shape up for the ecig business real fast=P

If some of the celebrities that vape learned of the FDA seizures and such and decided to help with this, their voices would surely get heard!

 

[Rosco]

Someone should give the President an ecig, I bet things would shape up for the ecig business real fast=P

If some of the celebrities that vape learned of the FDA seizures and such and decided to help with this, their voices would surely get heard!

One of the reasons I emailed Rush Limbaugh. If anyone has a "voice", he does, plus someone said he vapes as well.

 

[VapnNow]

I still have never got anything in writing from the FDA. If I hadn't been so pursistent and finally found someone who was tired of hearing from me I don't think I would have gotten the FDA number to call. They just keep refering you to this other FDA & Customs number that has a recording that tells you they do not track packages. So if anyone has a package stuck in Chicago and is wondering I do have the FDA phone number if you want to call. I just wish they'd send the package back or do something but it sounds like they are just stockpiling everything.

 

[JohnKing]

Congressman Alan Grayson: Are you familiar with the concept of capture when you are talking about regulation? What is that? Do you know that concept?

Harry Markopolos: Yes. It’s basically when the regulator is in bed with the industry they purport to regulate and do not regulate the industry. In fact, they consider the industry the client, not the public citizens.

Congressman Alan Grayson: And have you seen that in action.

Harry Markopolos: Yes. At the Food and Drug Administration and at the SEC.

Madoff Whistleblower Harry Markopolos Tells Congress FDA Is Captured! | CareToLive


Dig around a little bit at the higher levels of FDA, I'm sure you'll find it is nothing but a protection unit for pharm co.s that sell gum, patches, etc.

 

[JohnKing]

but wait! there's more!

The FDA is no different. The revolving door of employment between it and the largest American pharmaceutical companies is, by now, a very poorly hidden secret. You can bet your last dollar that the large pharmaceutical companies, whose very livelihoods depend upon drug approvals, possible recall campaigns and good or bad publicity by the FDA, pay exacting attention to all of the activities of the FDA, and they pay well.

How the FDA Became A Captured Agency

 

[JohnKing]

oops...a little more

One official who might have advocated against Dendreon was then FDA Commissioner Andrew von Eschenbach, who was a close ally of Michael Milken. Dr. von Eschenbach was a founding director of Milken’s Prostate Cancer Foundation, and later he was at the forefront of an ultimately unsuccessful effort to convince George Bush to grant a presidential pardon forgiving Milken for his crimes. But it is clear that von Eschenbach was not the only official courted by Milken and his associates.

Market Rap - Dendreon and the Criminal Capture of the FDA

 

[JohnKing]

oh no, FDA doesn't work for citizens after all..

Over the past two decades, as drug after drug has been recalled after winning FDA approval, it has been hard not to wonder if FDA regulators have been captured by the drug industry. FDA critics and industry monitors charge that the drug-approval process is too easy for pharmaceutical companies to game.

Read more: Avandia Approval: FDA's Drug-Safety Protection in Doubt - TIME

The FDA likes to roll out big headlines on occasion like "FDA Finds Toad in Soda Bottle" but that is just for show, I suppose any thinking person could find a toad in a soda bottle.

 

[JohnKing]

It's not the FDA that has your stuff jammed up, it's these guys:

Nicorette - Consumer Healthcare - GlaxoSmithkline

start connecting the dots..... ...

 

[earthpig]

Those dots have in my mind been connected for a long time.
Problem is, we still need to attack the immediate source either through media or political means.
Threats to FDA and similar organizations to cut off donations and fundings are of the essence. You hit em in the wallet like they are trying to do to us.
Attacking the FDA's good name doesn't seem to be effective, since they have none. As an org they have done some good over the years, but just like any money polluted org or politician, they need taken down at the knees..

I've signed various petitions and then the letter to Limbaugh (via e-mail). He has at least stood up on radio and let them have it, as has Stossel. As of yet, I haven't done letters to political agencies or the FDA, since they just blindly (or open eyed) attack what is right and good.
They need hit in the wallet.

I might add, that the only thing in the end they can hit us on is the nicotine content (and they will). The drug delivery device can always be redesigned OR built here in the USA. Yes at an added cost, but that cost is incidental. I would easily pay double to have it , if it was built by US workers. This concept needs chased down.

I might also add, we better be stockpiling our raw(actually cut) nicotine and storing it for ourselves "while it is legal to do so". This doesn't help the newbies, but it might be necessary for us who are now (or soon to be) non smokers.

And that is the big flaw. The FDA would have us without a backup to cigs....cept their supported gum/patch/psychotic pills. All ineffective and expensive.

Hit the media, folks!

pig

 

[Israfil]

Someone should give the President an ecig, I bet things would shape up for the ecig business real fast=P

If some of the celebrities that vape learned of the FDA seizures and such and decided to help with this, their voices would surely get heard!

I believe someone did a while back. Don't think he used it though.

 

[DaveP]

Someone asked why they aren't raiding domestic suppliers. Seizing supply from an America Ecig dealer would be considered tyrannical. The news would follow them around rolling video. Seizing them at ports doesn't create much of a news photo opportunity. It's just crates sitting in a warehouse.

 

[Rosco]

But they are seizing goods that US customers have already bought.

 

[JudgeVape]

But they are doing so "at the border." Unfortunately, the rules that the government plays by are even more favorable "at the border." This has become even more true since 9/11.

 

[monsterkitty]

I might add, that the only thing in the end they can hit us on is the nicotine content (and they will).

I might also add, we better be stockpiling our raw(actually cut) nicotine and storing it for ourselves "while it is legal to do so".

isn't liquid nicotine also made in the usa?

 

[OldDragon]

The only thing that I can't figure out is there are a LOT of drugs, "All Natural", foods and other things sold in stores and TV that state "Not FDA approved" on their labels and adds. Why? Why do they state that, should they be approved or need approval? If not, then why pick on us. And it seems that a lot of items that are approved can kill you and cause more harm than non approved stuff.

 

[Airbrusher]

The only thing that I can't figure out is there are a LOT of drugs, "All Natural", foods and other things sold in stores and TV that state "Not FDA approved" on their labels and adds. Why? Why do they state that, should they be approved or need approval? If not, then why pick on us. And it seems that a lot of items that are approved can kill you and cause more harm than non approved stuff.

Because Big Pharm has other plans for our lives that we have no say in, so they use their shill to take away what would challenge them.

 

[earthpig]

Nicotine is a big thing with FDA.
It will be more so in the future (I predict).
The equipment however seems out of their hands, yet they've taken it on. Equipment doesn't have chemicals. Thus the FDA shouldn't be able to touch it, but they are.
It may inspire some US manufacturers (or at least assemblers) to start up. You know. Buy the battery innards separately and assemble?. That could be the only good thing to come from all of this. Yes, equipment prices will rise, but that is a minimal cost to vaping.
It's going to be the juice, and specifically the nicotine where the big fight will happen, as well as the ability to vape in public.

pig