Fear from FDA, Family Members, etc That Vaping is Long Term Substitue for Other Addictions
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Quote "With other nicotine delivery systems either the gum, the patch, lozenges, etc there is a recommended set of procedures that you follow...i.e. you are on step one for x amount of weeks at y mg of nicotine per day and you gradually step down to w amount of weeks on z mg of nicotine per day and so forth. " unquote
This is an advertising gimmick. It is telling you that the procedure will work for you and that in a definate time span you will have 'kicked the habit' and will be able to rejoin the gloriously smoke free PC public and become a more popular, beautiful, and productive human being. And stop paying an exhorbitant amount of money for their product (subliminal?).
I've known people addicted to soft drink to such an extent that they were under doctor's orders to lower their intake. Fast foods and alcohol (pick your vice) probably kill more people than smoking. With vaping I've been off of coffin nails. I can control my nicotine intake better than some manufacturer labeling their product "light" or "ultra light". As I reduce my nic level, I can see myself becoming nic free. Then I can just vape to irritate the anti's! I'm addicted to irritating self-righteous people, something which I have no desire to kick!
This is an advertising gimmick. It is telling you that the procedure will work for you and that in a definate time span you will have 'kicked the habit' and will be able to rejoin the gloriously smoke free PC public and become a more popular, beautiful, and productive human being. And stop paying an exhorbitant amount of money for their product (subliminal?).
I've known people addicted to soft drink to such an extent that they were under doctor's orders to lower their intake. Fast foods and alcohol (pick your vice) probably kill more people than smoking. With vaping I've been off of coffin nails. I can control my nicotine intake better than some manufacturer labeling their product "light" or "ultra light". As I reduce my nic level, I can see myself becoming nic free. Then I can just vape to irritate the anti's! I'm addicted to irritating self-righteous people, something which I have no desire to kick!
Hello, my name is Cramptholomew, and I'm dually addicted to Slim-Jims and vaping. I'm still working the first step.
Just some terminology
1. Dependence. When you get withdrawal symptoms
2. Substance abuse. Dependence + increased tolerance. Also has adverse effect on life areas(work, school, social interactions etc) BUT continues to consume the substance despite this
*those other "addictions" like internet, gambling and shopping are more akin to impulse control disorders such as trichotillomania, and pyromania iirc
**nicotine is usually included in the list of addictive substances although there are studies that say it is not addictive when taken alone. Yep, that's the chemical cocktail in cigs.
***started vaping to break the dependence but not the habit/routine/rituals!
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1. Dependence. When you get withdrawal symptoms
2. Substance abuse. Dependence + increased tolerance. Also has adverse effect on life areas(work, school, social interactions etc) BUT continues to consume the substance despite this
*those other "addictions" like internet, gambling and shopping are more akin to impulse control disorders such as trichotillomania, and pyromania iirc
**nicotine is usually included in the list of addictive substances although there are studies that say it is not addictive when taken alone. Yep, that's the chemical cocktail in cigs.
***started vaping to break the dependence but not the habit/routine/rituals!
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I don't care if people think I'm "weak". Let them. What do they know about me? What do they know about anything to do with me? I have kicked the nicotine addiction, but NOT the habit/routine/rituals associated with "smoking", by indulging in vaping. I see no reason to do so. Say I have "impulse control" issues...that's okay with me. At my age, I don't honestly care. If something makes me happy and causes no harm to me or others around me, I am going to continue with it. Life is short enough...I choose to be happy. Finding "e-cigarettes" was the solution I sought for decades to get away from smoking cigarettes. Getting off nicotine was relatively easy with this method. Now I just ENJOY.
For those that are upset that I've been away and haven't posted in a few hours...hey I got other things to do throughout my day 
Give me a break
I should have realized from the get go that this is a philosophical/religious/moral question and as such has no "black and white" answer. And yes once you have come to conclusion that that is what type of question it is no one is going to win. Sometimes when I realize this I don't think it's worth the effort to change someone's mind as most likely you are not going to when it comes to a philosophical/religious/moral debate. That being said it also doesn't mean that it's not worthy of a healthy debate or discussion.
How long has the abortion debate been going on? -- Sorry digression there but think it proves the point I was trying to make.
It's the #2 that "an addiction is bad" regardless of the addiction or form it takes. That's really been the hard one to refute as it goes around and around in circles. The certain family members and friends that ascertaining this "statement" (again there is no way to prove or disprove this statement as it's philosophical/moral statement [which is why the discussion goes round and round]) are not being rude, over powering, or hostile to me in anyway. Matter of fact they are not really discouraging me from using vaping as quitting tool. They just want to eventually see the "end" of the addiction and not see this as a long term habit.
I on the other hand I would be happy to get down to zero nicotine but can live with the fact that I may still be psychologically addicted to the hand and oral fixation and may continue to do it even after I am off of nicotine. That's just one of my goals. I'm not going to smite my mighty fist on the table and demand that everyone here does the same. This thread was by no means meant to demoralize or pass judgment on anyone even if you want to vape nicotine the rest of your life...it's just not MY long term vision or goal.
As for the what's an addiction or define addiction...who knows...we all would have quit smoking a long time ago if it wasn't an addiction right? None of us would probably be here if we could have done that on our own.
This thread was started more to figure out how to confront someone with the statement that "an addiction is bad regardless of if the addiction doesn't affect your health." I may not have stated that clear enough in my original post and don't think I was exactly sure of what I was after initially.
On a side note I brought this up with a colleague at work and he had an interesting take on it. (Again remember no right or wrong answer as you can't prove or disprove the statement above.) As for his comments on the argument of it's just as healthy/not-healthy for you as caffeine he brought up the historical reference of the Aztec's, Inca's, and Mayans and how it was used not only to enslave a sub population but also to make them work harder and longer hours. He made the point that in modern society the fearof nicotine vapor is a probably an unjustified fear but our/humanities roots in the fear of addiction is a self preserving fear and historically has been a good fear. Substitute fear with moral code or religious law or whatever you like. He went on to state that anything that can be used to take away an individual's self control and be used by a few to control the masses is never healthy.
Again you can't win this argument but he has some valid points. In a way if you look at the smoker as the slave and the tobacco corporations as the Aztecs you can draw a comparison. Instead of working us as slaves they are taking our money (which we had to work for) through the use of our uncontrollable addiction.
Parallels can also be applied in the 1800's with the [other stuff] trade between England and China.
Looks like I went on a rant again Anyway again not passing judgment or discouraging any one. I truly believe in the "to each their own philosophy" but it doesn't hurt to have a healthy discussion with someone with an opposing view even if neither one of you are going to change one anthers minds. Sometimes it's good just to have an understanding of where they are coming from and hopefully they can agree to understand where you are coming from.
Give me a break I should have realized from the get go that this is a philosophical/religious/moral question and as such has no "black and white" answer. And yes once you have come to conclusion that that is what type of question it is no one is going to win. Sometimes when I realize this I don't think it's worth the effort to change someone's mind as most likely you are not going to when it comes to a philosophical/religious/moral debate. That being said it also doesn't mean that it's not worthy of a healthy debate or discussion.
How long has the abortion debate been going on? -- Sorry digression there but think it proves the point I was trying to make.
It's the #2 that "an addiction is bad" regardless of the addiction or form it takes. That's really been the hard one to refute as it goes around and around in circles. The certain family members and friends that ascertaining this "statement" (again there is no way to prove or disprove this statement as it's philosophical/moral statement [which is why the discussion goes round and round]) are not being rude, over powering, or hostile to me in anyway. Matter of fact they are not really discouraging me from using vaping as quitting tool. They just want to eventually see the "end" of the addiction and not see this as a long term habit.
I on the other hand I would be happy to get down to zero nicotine but can live with the fact that I may still be psychologically addicted to the hand and oral fixation and may continue to do it even after I am off of nicotine. That's just one of my goals. I'm not going to smite my mighty fist on the table and demand that everyone here does the same. This thread was by no means meant to demoralize or pass judgment on anyone even if you want to vape nicotine the rest of your life...it's just not MY long term vision or goal.
As for the what's an addiction or define addiction...who knows...we all would have quit smoking a long time ago if it wasn't an addiction right? None of us would probably be here if we could have done that on our own.
This thread was started more to figure out how to confront someone with the statement that "an addiction is bad regardless of if the addiction doesn't affect your health." I may not have stated that clear enough in my original post and don't think I was exactly sure of what I was after initially.
On a side note I brought this up with a colleague at work and he had an interesting take on it. (Again remember no right or wrong answer as you can't prove or disprove the statement above.) As for his comments on the argument of it's just as healthy/not-healthy for you as caffeine he brought up the historical reference of the Aztec's, Inca's, and Mayans and how it was used not only to enslave a sub population but also to make them work harder and longer hours. He made the point that in modern society the fearof nicotine vapor is a probably an unjustified fear but our/humanities roots in the fear of addiction is a self preserving fear and historically has been a good fear. Substitute fear with moral code or religious law or whatever you like. He went on to state that anything that can be used to take away an individual's self control and be used by a few to control the masses is never healthy.
Again you can't win this argument but he has some valid points. In a way if you look at the smoker as the slave and the tobacco corporations as the Aztecs you can draw a comparison. Instead of working us as slaves they are taking our money (which we had to work for) through the use of our uncontrollable addiction.
Parallels can also be applied in the 1800's with the [other stuff] trade between England and China.
Looks like I went on a rant again
Anyway again not passing judgment or discouraging any one. I truly believe in the "to each their own philosophy" but it doesn't hurt to have a healthy discussion with someone with an opposing view even if neither one of you are going to change one anthers minds. Sometimes it's good just to have an understanding of where they are coming from and hopefully they can agree to understand where you are coming from.
Well thought out and expressed. Those who are overly concerned with what others think have bigger problems than using nicotine.
MAOI's play a large role in nicotine addiction from cigarettes. I really just vape for the flavor. I really could set it down and not pick it up again, but I'm enjoying it. So why take that away?
I'm addicted to eating and breathing.. I'm having trouble trying to eliminate those addictions out of my life. Appears as though I may have to re-work a 12-step program to address those issues.
I'm addicted to eating and breathing.. I'm having trouble trying to eliminate those addictions out of my life. Appears as though I may have to re-work a 12-step program to address those issues.
I do agree if someone is trying to make you feel shame and discouraging you from quitting you probably have a right to go off on them.
My friends, family, etc however were not placing shame or even making me feel that way. It was simply a matter of conversation and no one has discouraged me from trying to use this as quitting tool. It was just passing discussions of if trading one addiction for another is a good thing. (moral question no right or wrong answer). I was simply trying to get some ammo to refute the "addiction is bad regardless of if their are no health issues associated with it." But came to realization that this is one of these things that you are more than likely never to change anyone's mind about.
We like to debate. It's nothing I take personally and definitely don't hold any emotional baggage to the conversations I've had with any of them.
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OK just me here IMO I don't think its a trade out because I have went from 24 nic down to 14/16 and just starting on 12 as I type so no not a trade safer alternative yes
I would think that when you compare all the different stop smoking methods e-cigs have the most health risk, but it is far less that analogs.
But now if you compare the success rate. I bet; cold turkey, patch and gum the success rate of none smoking after a year can not be be more then 10%?
So after years of trying all the different solutions that are FDA "proven" to stop smoking with no success. I have been off the analogs for 8 months. The longest in my life, and I have greatly reduced the harmful affect of smoking. I have more breath, feel better, don't hack up brown and black stuff, etc...
It's a shame that any of the methods to quite smoking have been approved with such a low success rate. If you consider addiction an illness. The FDa would not approve a drug for an illness with 10% effectiveness. But the FDA does approve patches and gum and consider them proven, because they really are not cures, there aids???? I would expect if you looked at e-smokers their success rater is a lot higher then the patch or gum??
But now if you compare the success rate. I bet; cold turkey, patch and gum the success rate of none smoking after a year can not be be more then 10%?
So after years of trying all the different solutions that are FDA "proven" to stop smoking with no success. I have been off the analogs for 8 months. The longest in my life, and I have greatly reduced the harmful affect of smoking. I have more breath, feel better, don't hack up brown and black stuff, etc...
It's a shame that any of the methods to quite smoking have been approved with such a low success rate. If you consider addiction an illness. The FDa would not approve a drug for an illness with 10% effectiveness. But the FDA does approve patches and gum and consider them proven, because they really are not cures, there aids???? I would expect if you looked at e-smokers their success rater is a lot higher then the patch or gum??
There's nothing to debate. There's no "catch 22".
I was addicted to hundreds of substances when I was smoking analogs.
I one day, I went from being addicted to hundreds to just one, which is relatively harmless (unless you count caffeine, then I'm addicted to 2).
From hundreds to just nicotine in just one day.
Maybe one day I'll be down to just caffeine, I don't really foresee ever giving that up nor do I want to.
I was addicted to hundreds of substances when I was smoking analogs.
I one day, I went from being addicted to hundreds to just one, which is relatively harmless (unless you count caffeine, then I'm addicted to 2).
From hundreds to just nicotine in just one day.
Maybe one day I'll be down to just caffeine, I don't really foresee ever giving that up nor do I want to.
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So your saying that the patch and gums and pills are safer then Vapeing???
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Yea what is that one pharma "Chanterix" or something that pretty much makes you want to commit suicide.
It's 99% less harmful, then yes, I did trade that addiction in a heartbeat. I didn't need anyone to tell me that vaping was less harmful, after 4 years of vaping (45yrs smoking) my health made a complete turn around.
The recent research completed by Drexel University that CASAA funded (we the vapers, CASAA) definitely shows that vaping is tons less harmful. See this thread for more information: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...onic-cigarettes-pose-minimal-health-risk.html
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