First N.E.T

[Bunnykiller]

Im getting a really strong alcohol smell from the pga N.E.T. Will that go away after a while, or do you have to evaporate the alcohol ?

PGA extracting needs an evaporating step... once I cold filter my tobacco/PGA, I place the extract into a small stainless steel bowl that fits/floats in the crock pot... I put the temp control to low to start with to bring the temp up and then go to warm setting. It takes about 4-6 hours for 6-8 oz of PGA extract to reduce to 70-100 ml. try not to let the water temp get above 150F... I find that if it goes above 150, the extract become bitter tasting....

 

[Str8vision]

I agree with Bunnykiller, evaporation is a important step. Evaporation (reduction), concentrates the extract so when you mix it you need/use a smaller percentage of extract i.e. 7% instead of 20%. I use my ethanol based extracts between 2 - 7% and don't really notice/taste the small percentage of alcohol that is present. PGA is commonly used to help thin high VG mixes and when mixing NET using an ethanol based extract I increase the VG content. My typical mix is around 75% VG, 18% PG (includes any concentrated flavorings), and up to 7% ethanol based tobacco extract.

Even if I intend to transfer the tobacco flavor from ethanol into PG or VG I would start by reducing the ethanol extract first. For 100ml of extract I will evaporate around 70ml off before mixing it with the PG or VG. Once mixed I would gently heat the mixture (100 - 120F), in a wide and open container to evaporate the remaining ethanol off.

In addition to producing a cleaner, better performing NET, using ethanol as the extraction solvent provides many options such as concentrating the extract or transferring the flavor into a different base.

 

[Devilstompa]

I was using 70pg 30vg and I just made a NET with 50pg/50vg and It seems more dry and less sweet is that normal ?

 

[Bunnykiller]

I was using 70pg 30vg and I just made a NET with 50pg/50vg and It seems more dry and less sweet is that normal ?

same tobacco?

 

[Devilstompa]

same tobacco?

Yes. It was all room temp only thing different was the pg and vg ratio

 

[Str8vision]

Sweetness can depend on the tobacco used for the extraction and the mix ratio of PG/VG. Could just be me or the brand but the VG I use tastes sweeter than PG, both are from Essential Depot. I enjoy high VG mixes (75%), and don't mind the mild sweetness of my NETs.

 

[Devilstompa]

I did a Sumatra coffee extract with everclear came out great and mixed with a cigar net its perfect if you enjoy dark coffee & cigars

 

[aceswired]

I like the idea. Was also thinking a tobacco chai tea hybrid.

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[Bunnykiller]

I did a raspberry tea extract... loved the raspberry flavor, didnt care too much for the tannin taste. But over several months, the tannin taste drops out and the raspberry really kicked in.... but several months of aging.... thats a bit too long for me

 

[Devilstompa]

If you use PGA for the extraction and then transfer than into pg/vg would it give the same darker flavors as a pg/vg extraction over time ? Cause I enjoy the darker flavors pg and vg can give for extraction but its a lot easier on the coils and wick with using PGA.

 

[Str8vision]

Not really, in my opinion the flavor stays just about the same. Cold PGA extracts higher, brighter flavor notes while PG leeches darker ones. The only way to obtain the darker flavor notes using PGA is through heated extraction.

 

[Devilstompa]

Right now I have 3 N.E.T.'s Cold Steeping in 100% PG One of them is a tobacco infused with coffee hoping it will be very good. Its hard cause I like the darker notes PG/VG gives but I really like the ease on the coils with using PGA. I guess I will stick with using Pg and have to deal with doing more maintenance on the coils will try to filter it better right now im only using the Aeropress standard filters. Thank you for the help

 

[aceswired]

What about extracting both? Mix maybe 80 PGA to 20 PG. Get most of the clean ethanol benefit but keep some of those earther notes?

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[Devilstompa]

Can you mix PGA And PG?

 

[Str8vision]

Yes, you can mix PG and PGA in any ratio to form a "blended" extraction solvent. The only problem is that PG interferes with precipitating out (freeze filtering), the oils, resin and wax pulled during extraction. You'll end up sacrificing most of the performance benefits normally associated with a PGA extraction.

 

[Devilstompa]

I tried mixing one of my PG NET Extracts with high VG around 70vg 30pg and I get a little more of a dry smooth vape. So I guess Im liking high vg N.E.T.S

 

[Bunnykiller]

me too thats why I use 100VG base

 

[aceswired]

Yes, you can mix PG and PGA in any ratio to form a "blended" extraction solvent. The only problem is that PG interferes with precipitating out (freeze filtering), the oils, resin and wax pulled during extraction. You'll end up sacrificing most of the performance benefits normally associated with a PGA extraction.

I mean extract both ways, then combine the two for broader spectrum flavor profile.

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[Devilstompa]

I mean extract both ways, then combine the two for broader spectrum flavor profile.

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Great idea thank you.

 

[Str8vision]

I mean extract both ways, then combine the two for broader spectrum flavor profile.

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Yes, you can mix PGA and PG based extractions together in any ratio you like. The only downside is that inclusion of a PG based extract will reduce the cleanliness of your mixed NET making it less friendly on coils/wicks.