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The sad truth is the best source for what is going on in the US are foreign news sources. The reason is that they have no real interest in one side or the other.
What a great thread. I was beginning to think most in the US didn't have a clue. I just hope more people wake up as things are getting worse by the day for most but all you hear is how great the stock market is doing. So glad to see some are paying attention to what is happening.
Keep in mind that some of my info is guesswork. I'm not sure how the "digital tech" works with it. It SOUNDS like (per a news report) that it counts puffs. It MAY cut out after 200 or so puffs to avoid "bad hits". IDK if it does, or if it can be reset. I suspect that it won't work with other cartos even with an adapter too. But I don't know and I've never had one on hand.
Let's see what choices they make. It IS a bigger battery...and I don't mind that since I vape a box mod now anyway. But...if I can't refill the carto I'm not likely to gravitate toward it.
Finances are a big part of the e-cig thing for me. It costs me about $0.20 per day to vape. That's 20 cents USD. Or less. Spending $3.00 per day on cartos...no thanks. That's 15 times more expensive. The battery cost is in-line with other stuff. Not bad.
American made is not critical, but I like that it is since we still have an unemployment problem here. I'm glad they provide some domestic jobs. I like that they thought about the recycle program ahead of time too.
We need to see specifications, juice analysis, and know if we can get juice and refill them. Vapers are used to using coils up...using them for more than a day.
I suppose they could come out with a refillable carto, for example. If they wanted to.
Critical thought is the skill needed in schools these days. That said, I'm impressed with the skills that my 7 year old nephew has gleaned from the system. He's in an accelerated program and he is an exceptionally bright kid. I think that school is much what the kids and the parents make of it. I graduated from high school in 1969, back when schools were said to be "better". Even then, it was parents who made the difference. Teachers produced great students who went on to college and into business, but in every case there were parents who helped to inspire the kid to excel. Those kids with parents who didn't play a part in the child's development found themselves with kids who floundered and failed.
Education needs families to back up the process by which children are educated. Without that, don't expect much from the system.
Education needs families to back up the process by which children are educated. Without that, don't expect much from the system.
That guy is an American. I don't think he ever clarified what device he was using - a lot of people have thought it was a home made mod. What is known is that he had batteries and a charger nearby - so it was likely a battery failure. Don't know if he was using good quality batteries either. It doesn't matter where its made, if the batteries aren't safe the risk isn't worth it.
This is a good post on ECF on the issue:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ous-question-about-batteries.html#post7954522
Even US made devices have had thermal meltdown. Its about the batteries.
I'd like to see the internals of the BT ecig, too. If they claim that the design produces a perfect puff every time, they better be able to explain how the internal monitoring system accomplishes that. I don't see perfect puffs from a cigarette look alike. There's little room for the electronics needed to produce the perfect vape.
I spent a career maintaining complex devices that used complex monitoring systems. I'd love to see how they accommodate the electronics and the sensors needed in that small package. My take is there's not room for what's needed. It's all hyperbole from marketing, IMHO.
The closest I've come is a SmokTek carto on a Provari. (Not dissing any other good VV mod). At this point, it's not hard to produce good vape. It's just hard to do that well in a small package. Electronics to do so may exist in tiny formats, but you still have to dissipate heat from the electronics as they perform their miracles. I'm suggesting that the BT ecig in question may not be the perfect vape, especially not "every time". It sounds more like media blur to me.
We all know that small packages mean being tied to a charger all day. It sounds like he's saying that robot manufacturing is the key to their puff to puff quality control.
http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2013/06/rj_reynolds_e_cigarette_..........php
Good luck, RJ!
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OK. lol.
Here's my current GUESS based on the news reports. *** Warning - total guesswork based on news ***
There's a link that talks about non-volitle memory in the cartridge. A hit counter. Also talks about monitoring ...something...2000 times per second. Probably simply voltage. Or current. They also talk about having "around 200 puffs per carto = about a pack of cigs".
It's also referred to as a "digital e-cig" or some such.
So....I think they are monitoring something, adjusting the voltage on the fly, and counting hits. They determined (
) that after about 200 or so hits the coil is 'gunked' and thus won't perform as well. Maybe it's a scale. 0-20 hits = lowest power, 21-40 hits = a little more, etc. Maybe they have an algorythim for being more gentle near the "end" of the cart so it doesn't get nasty-burt-taste. Who knows.But they decide that after a certain point...the cart won't perform up to their expectations. So it quits working.
That's genius from a product perspective. It guarantees that the carto can't be refilled. You have to buy another $3.00 carto.
What happens if you screw a standard carto (even if you have to rig an adapter) onto the battery? Will it function? (Bet not)
What happens if you screw a standard battery onto one of their smart cartos? Will it function? (Bet not.)
I don't know. Could they come out with a refillable carto? Sure...as long as the battery had enough smarts to recognize a different type of carto (could even transmit a model # back to the battery..lol. Or a "allowed features" byte.)
Like everything else...it's the COST. I vape for less than 20 cents per day now. How much the digital stuff raises the cost vs provides "features" or "locks in options"...IDK.
I'm betting that their battery cost is at or over $10.00 per battery and they are planning on making it up on the carto sales. The cartos aren't that cheap either, I'm guessing.
It was encouraging to hear they had their own automated manufacturing. That should keep the cost down in volume, I hope. Maybe they can get the production costs down and in-line with existing tech.
I'm most worried about e-juice. Their juice's contents as well as for the industry as a whole (having access to high quality supply).
The article I referenced says that a microprocessor in the cartridge communicates with a microprocessor in the battery. That means to me that only their carto will talk to the battery, so no RJ carto, no vape. It's a locked proprietary ecig that won't function without the two microprocessors talking to each other. No Boge, no SmokeTek, no vape unless you pay the $3.
That said, if it looks like a 510 class ecig, it probably works like a 510 ecig with some added electronics. It's still a short vape and a charge over and over. Looks to me like they are touting this for places where you can't smoke, like the Blu. For the rest of time, buy a pack and smoke 'em. They aren't trying to replace paper tube cigs, just giving people something to smoke at a restaurant table or in a bar.
Back up one post for the article, AttyPops. I think we were posting at the same time and I was still editing.
That said, if it looks like a 510 class ecig, it probably works like a 510 ecig with some added electronics. It's still a short vape and a charge over and over. Looks to me like they are touting this for places where you can't smoke, like the Blu. For the rest of time, buy a pack and smoke 'em. They aren't trying to replace paper tube cigs, just giving people something to smoke at a restaurant table or in a bar.
Back up one post for the article, AttyPops. I think we were posting at the same time and I was still editing.
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Hiya Dave - I have what I consider close to perfect with a Vamo an AGA-T+. But what I really meant was how exactly is that defined - "perfect puff" - what does that really mean when marketing an ecig. Its just hype really. If the thing makes vapor consistently then it does what its meant to do, you know what I mean.
Well it would enable you to see if their cartos lived up to the claims for them I guess.
FYI - Your link didn't work for me DaveP....
It may be an MCU or just some small amount of FLASH NVR. Doesn't matter to me. It represents the type of "locked in" thing your referencing either way.
Is interesting. Just the fact that they did that make me curious about it. IDK if it's going to be a "better vape" or anything. It is kind of nice that the battery will tell you when it's near completion ...for the battery and/or the carto. But I'd want to refill the carto until I DECIDE when I want a new one.
I thought it was interesting that they used a bigger cig-a-like battery. Hopefully more mAh.
It may be an MCU or just some small amount of FLASH NVR. Doesn't matter to me. It represents the type of "locked in" thing your referencing either way.
Is interesting. Just the fact that they did that make me curious about it. IDK if it's going to be a "better vape" or anything. It is kind of nice that the battery will tell you when it's near completion ...for the battery and/or the carto. But I'd want to refill the carto until I DECIDE when I want a new one.
I thought it was interesting that they used a bigger cig-a-like battery. Hopefully more mAh.
Well, it would let their battery know if the carto did. You don't have the data port
Oh - I thought a hit counter meant a readout. lol. So then you would be guessing between it shutting off because the carto is empty or just because the battery was low. Or the carto is not empty but it read the hit no and turned off anyway.
This is getting complicated already....
It must have been a disposable link that was only accessible from the main page. It's was a questionable site that catered to MJ users in Colorado anyway. The video I posted later is more informational.
When I right clicked and clicked "inspect element" it expanded into some mojo link that wasn't really Kosher.
YouTube has several videos explaining the RJ Reynolds ecig. You will also get some videos about Vuze torrent downloaders unless you include "ecig" in the search criteria.
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They could always use different colored LEDs (it already changes color per the news report.) One color could mean...change carto, another could mean charge battery. Or a blink pattern. Whatever. We don't know yet.
The Canadians have said they are on the shelves. However, that may be a disposable test system...not the "real" thing. The Greek's review was with a disposable too. We'll see more soon in the rollout.
The "real" one isn't a disposable. It recharges. That's good too. So is the recycling, IMO. Those are smart plays, IMHO.
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