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Haven't you guys used a disposable? I've been out and run out of battery a couple of times in the last 3 years (forgot to swap batteries before I left house. Happens.) So I go to a gas station or tobacco shop and buy a disposable. Anyway... They last about 3/4 to 1 day. They are a bit bigger than a cig-sized super-mini...like the vuse is a bit bigger. So who knows?

Remember the "about 200 puffs" was just a quote from some article/news video. The actual puffs, and the battery life...remain to be seen.


Nope. All I have are two eGo-Twists......but I've never been in a position where both needed to be charged.


I have one 1,000mah twist, and one 650mah twist.

If I'm gonna be away from home for more than 5 hours or so, such as if I'm working, I always take the 1,000mah with me. Any other time I go out, I take the 650mah, since it easily lasts most of the day anyway (I take it out because it is smaller, the smaller the better when I'm out and about).

At home, I usually just use the 1,000mah, and charge it at night. The 1kmah ALONE usually lasts ALL day, so I never have to worry about it....if for some reason I forget to charge it the night before, and it runs out....I just switch to the 650mah :)
 

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One of the times.... I was in the GF's car. lol.

Guess I live dangerously. I used to carry "vaping kit" with me. I don't anymore. I just bring my box mod with fresh batteries and a full tank. No extra coil, etc. I do keep a spare set of batteries in MY car. Should keep a spare head too. I used to keep a spare eGo battery and atty there also. Now I keep some nic lozenges instead. :p

Well I am married and the wive also vapes. So she has the same setup in her car. We also each have a cigarette lighter splitter cable, so no matter which car we are in we can both charge and vape at the same time if we both forgot to pre-charge before leaving.
 

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I'm not a typical liberal...I'm a bleeding heart, tree hugging liberal. However, I have plenty of places to go for that discussion. Here on ECF, we have one thing in common...vaping. That's why I come here.

Since it is the liberals, from a political standpoint, who are desperately trying to have vaping banned or severely restricted, if you have any influence, would you please convince them to leave us alone. We all would be greatful.:ohmy:
 
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I also keep a cheap disposable with me for back up. All I carry is a charged ego battery, my ego-c set up with one or two pre-filled tanks should I want to switch flavors and a cig-alike in my pouch with it in case something goes wrong with the ego. Have like 18 old cig-alike carts at home, they'll probably be there forever and a day.....
 

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I'm not a typical liberal...I'm a bleeding heart, tree hugging liberal. However, I have plenty of places to go for that discussion. Here on ECF, we have one thing in common...vaping. That's why I come here.

Hi Grimwald - I noticed your sig banner. Congrats on 9 months! Its awesome that you've been smoke free all this time. I hope Mrs Grimwald is well too.
 

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Since it is the liberals, from a political standpoint, who are desperately trying to have vaping banned or severely restricted, if you have any influence, would you please convince them to leave us alone. We all would be greatful.:ohmy:

I'm more of an independent. Even I want the liberals to back the heck off. Well, at least quit being so anti. That said, I wouldn't mind some inexpensive easy-to-conform-to regulation of juice quality and some random testing of devices/coils + juice by the FDA. If we pay tax dollars for them, they may as well do something useful rather than being so negative. And quit working so hard to find a couple of random problems and focusing on that as "leverage" and "the norm". Stupid. I think it's a fear reaction and a power play. They are afraid that vaping might not be very harmful...and that people will vape that wouldn't/didn't smoke.

Juice contents/quality is a hugely important topic.

Still a bit off topic for this thread though. Other than being worried about what BT is putting in the juice.

I'm not a typical liberal...I'm a bleeding heart, tree hugging liberal. However, I have plenty of places to go for that discussion. Here on ECF, we have one thing in common...vaping. That's why I come here.
I heard rumors of you being sited in KS. Kinda like Bigfoot. Only liberal....
 
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Haven't you guys used a disposable? I've been out and run out of battery a couple of times in the last 3 years (forgot to swap batteries before I left house. Happens.) So I go to a gas station or tobacco shop and buy a disposable. Anyway... They last about 3/4 to 1 day. They are a bit bigger than a cig-sized super-mini...like the vuse is a bit bigger. So who knows?

Remember the "about 200 puffs" was just a quote from some article/news video. The actual puffs, and the battery life...remain to be seen.

I've never bought a disposable. After vaping the 510 I realized that I needed something more robust and didn't bother buying convenience store cigs. Yesterday one of my friends saw me vaping and told me that in the lumberyard he manages the guys who work outside have been using convenience store ecigs all day long. OSHA declared smoking around the timber and lumber yard illegal. He says they buy them for $7 each. For them, it's like buying a pack of cigs every day. They'll learn about the better and cheaper alternatives soon enough.
 

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I'm more of an independent. Even I want the liberals to back the heck off. Well, at least quit being so anti. That said, I wouldn't mind some inexpensive easy-to-conform-to regulation of juice quality and some random testing of devices/coils + juice by the FDA. If we pay tax dollars for them, they may as well do something useful rather than being so negative. And quit working so hard to find a couple of random problems and focusing on that as "leverage" and "the norm". Stupid. I think it's a fear reaction and a power play. They are afraid that vaping might not be very harmful...and that people will vape that wouldn't/didn't smoke.

Juice contents/quality is a hugely important topic.

Still a bit off topic for this thread though. Other than being worried about what BT is putting in the juice.


I heard rumors of you being sited in KS. Kinda like Bigfoot. Only liberal....

Atty, I agree with you and that is how the FDA should operate. It would protect us (using our money) from the unscrupulous and greedy. Instead, they are just an extention of the unscrupulous. It is all so depressing.
 

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Just some thoughts that are running through my head as a result of this topic and others surrounding vaping.

It's pretty easy to study and reveal the effects of vaping if you have the high tech equipment and expertise and I'm surprised that the FDA hasn't released some studies. OSHA MSDS sheets on PG and VG include lung irritation following long term exposure. That's valid and most of us vape continuously, considering that no different that many other chemicals we encounter on any given day. Sometimes, I sense irritation if I crank the voltage and vape like a fiend. Most of the time I hold the vaper in my mouth briefly, shallowly inhale, and exhale through the mouth and/or nose. I don't get an irritation response from doing that.

My point is that I believe that the FDA doesn't really want to release anything that says vaping is just a minor sin. If they did, vaping would replace smoking in no time. People like the act of inhaling and exhaling and the effects of nicotine and will go to the most satisfying method, especially if it's deemed to be safe. If they told us that we'd all die with extra fingers and toes in a painful way we'd all quit vaping, but they don't seem to be able to say that. I have to think they are silent because there's nothing earthshaking to report.

Tobacco money will eventually go away as the current crop of smokers vanishes into eternity. Not that many teenagers are interested in smoking. They've been taught that smoking is detrimental to your health and in the worst case causes lung cancer and other serious issues. I think that's a good thing. No one should be killing themselves with something that's proven to cause serious medical problems. If vaping were suddenly proven to be life shortening, I'd toss mine tomorrow.

We all want the medical community to tell us that vaping is good and that it's safe. My doctor is on board with me continuing to vape and doesn't urge me to quit. He realizes that smoking and vaping are both methods of satisfying a need for nicotine and understands that nicotine is roughly equal to caffeine in relatively low levels of harm. Vaping, according to all the resources he has available is so much better than smoking that he's good with me telling him that I have no plans to quit vaping. It's the much lesser of two evils.

Now that BT is getting into the fray I suspect that we will start to see more testing and evaluation of vapers in long term testing. That's good for us. We all want someone to declare it reasonably safe or find anything we don't know about that is reason to drop it. Not knowing is a little unsettling to me, although I have no reason at all to think that it's unsafe. I welcome extensive testing just because I like to know the ramifications of anything I ingest. When the FDA outlawed certain red dyes and required a change in their composition, I was all for it. Who wants something like that affecting our kids? Who wants vaping to possibly shorten our lives after thinking is was safe? I think most of us welcome unbiased testing for vaping materials.
 
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Just some thoughts that are running through my head as a result of this topic and others surrounding vaping.

It's pretty easy to study and reveal the effects of vaping if you have the high tech equipment and expertise and I'm surprised that the FDA hasn't released some studies. OSHA MSDS sheets on PG and VG include lung irritation following long term exposure. That's valid and most of us vape continuously, considering that no different that many other chemicals we encounter on any given day. Sometimes, I sense irritation if I crank the voltage and vape like a fiend. Most of the time I hold the vaper in my mouth briefly, shallowly inhale, and exhale through the mouth and/or nose. I don't get an irritation response from doing that.

My point is that I believe that the FDA doesn't really want to release anything that says vaping is just a minor sin. If they did, vaping would replace smoking in no time. People like the act of inhaling and exhaling and the effects of nicotine and will go to the most satisfying method, especially if it's deemed to be safe. If they told us that we'd all die with extra fingers and toes in a painful way we'd all quit vaping, but they don't seem to be able to say that. I have to think they are silent because there's nothing earthshaking to report.

Tobacco money will eventually go away as the current crop of smokers vanishes into eternity. Not that many teenagers are interested in smoking. They've been taught that smoking is detrimental to your health and in the worst case causes lung cancer and other serious issues. I think that's a good thing. No one should be killing themselves with something that's proven to cause serious medical problems. If vaping were suddenly proven to be life shortening, I'd toss mine tomorrow.

We all want the medical community to tell us that vaping is good and that it's safe. My doctor is on board with me continuing to vape and doesn't urge me to quit. He realizes that smoking and vaping are both methods of satisfying a need for nicotine and understands that nicotine is roughly equal to caffeine in relatively low levels of harm. Vaping, according to all the resources he has available is so much better than smoking that he's good with me telling him that I have no plans to quit vaping. It's the much lesser of two evils.

Now that BT is getting into the fray I suspect that we will start to see more testing and evaluation of vapers in long term testing. That's good for us. We all want someone to declare it reasonably safe or find anything we don't know about that is reason to drop it. Not knowing is a little unsettling to me, although I have no reason at all to think that it's unsafe. I welcome extensive testing just because I like to know the ramifications of anything I ingest. When the FDA outlawed certain red dyes and required a change in their composition, I was all for it. Who wants something like that affecting our kids? Who wants vaping to possibly shorten our lives after thinking is was safe? I think most of us welcome unbiased testing for vaping materials.

Dave I agree with you. But unfortunately, the FDA is not to be trusted. They DID test 18 cartridges back in 2009. They did not release the actual results immediately after testing was done. Instead they stated that they found carcinogenetic TSNA's justifing their banning of all vaping in the US. They then quitely released the actual study results about a month later. And what did we find? That the TSNA's were present in only two of the cartridges and in trace amounts (-.01%), which is the same as is in nicotine gum and inhalers and deemed safe for human consumption by the FDA.

The FDA in essence lied. It's depressing that they lie to us and do it using our money.
 

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Dave I agree with you. But unfortunately, the FDA is not to be trusted. They DID test 18 cartridges back in 2009. They did not release the actual results immediately after testing was done. Instead they stated that they found carcinogenetic TSNA's justifing their banning of all vaping in the US. They then quitely released the actual study results about a month later. And what did we find? That the TSNA's were present in only two of the cartridges and in trace amounts (-.01%), which is the same as is in nicotine gum and inhalers and deemed safe for human consumption by the FDA.

The FDA in essence lied. It's depressing that they lie to us and do it using our money.

I remember that case. It was quite an embarrassment for them to people who knew the difference and an embarrassment to vapers when we had to explain the antifreeze thing and the carcinogens to our friends who commented, "You know that thing has antifreeze in it?". I kind of enjoyed patting the seat next to me and inviting them to sit down for the rest of the story. I can thank ECF for providing the informational backup that allowed me to possess the correct knowledge.
 

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I'm more of an independent. Even I want the liberals to back the heck off. Well, at least quit being so anti. That said, I wouldn't mind some inexpensive easy-to-conform-to regulation of juice quality and some random testing of devices/coils + juice by the FDA. If we pay tax dollars for them, they may as well do something useful rather than being so negative. And quit working so hard to find a couple of random problems and focusing on that as "leverage" and "the norm". Stupid. I think it's a fear reaction and a power play. They are afraid that vaping might not be very harmful...and that people will vape that wouldn't/didn't smoke.

Juice contents/quality is a hugely important topic.

Still a bit off topic for this thread though. Other than being worried about what BT is putting in the juice.


I heard rumors of you being sited in KS. Kinda like Bigfoot. Only liberal....

I think Bigfoot is libertarian...There is one small enclave of liberals in Kansas...we don't get out much, so sightings are rare.
 

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I remember that case. It was quite an embarrassment for them to people who knew the difference and an embarrassment to vapers when we had to explain the antifreeze thing and the carcinogens to our friends who commented, "You know that thing has antifreeze in it?". I kind of enjoyed patting the seat next to me and inviting them to sit down for the rest of the story. I can thank ECF for providing the informational backup that allowed me to possess the correct knowledge.

what is this about antifreeze? What's a TSNA?
 

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Read post #2 in this thread, if you have any doubt as to which side of the political spectrum is against vaping. This is from a long time (20 year) expert in the field of Harm Reduction:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/legislation-news/428605-will-same-thing-happen-ecigs.html

Why does this matter? Are people supposed to vote differently based on what party the politicians are in who support taxes and bans on vaping? Arent there more substantial issues on which to base what party you vote for? lol
 

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what is this about antifreeze? What's a TSNA?

Serious? Antifreeze used to contain Ethylene Glycol which tasted sweet and killed animals who licked it up out of hubcaps in junk yards and off driveways where people worked on their cars. It was changed to PG (propylene glycol as in ecigs) to make it safe. PG is in antifreeze, but it's considered GRAS (generally regarded as safe) for human consumption. It's also in toothpaste, soft drinks, and makeup, among many other things.

TSNA's are Tobacco-specific N-nitrosamines which are abundant in cigarette smoke but only found in trace amounts in ecig juice. TSNA's are some of the nastiest contributors to lung cancer. A Red Marlboro gives the user a level about 150 times that of an ecig which shows trace amounts of TSNA remnants from extraction of nicotine, which is about the same level you'd get from Nicorette Gum approved by the FDA. The TSNA's derived from an ecig are so tiny they are practically non-existent.

This is a good thread for familiarizing yourself with TSNA content in cigarettes vs ecigs.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/31012-tsna-comparison-chart.html
 
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The FDA antifreeze scare is based on the finding of a bit of diethylene glycol (DEG) in one of the cartridges they tested.

While important to take note of since is should NOT be in there, it was found in only one cartridge out of the 18 tested.
It was NOT found in the any of the NJoy cartridges tested, only in one of the Smoking Everywhere cartridges.

And even knowing that, you should also know that the amount of diethylene glycol that was found in that one Smoking Everywhere cartridge (approximately 1% according to the test results) is not particularly harmful and would require sucking down around 600 hundred cartridges in one day to get near a toxic level.

Yeah, that is not the best news, but not the worst news either.
And yes, again, that diethylene glycol should not be in there no matter how little there was.

But also of note is that diethylene glycol is also in cigarettes anyway.
And the FDA allows amounts of less that 0.1% to be present in any products that contain propylene glycol.

But the most important thing to know?
http://www.palgrave-journals.com/jphp/journal/v32/n1/pdf/jphp201041a.pdf

No other tests have ever found diethylene glycol in any electronic cigarette liquid.
And no test, including the FDA test in question, has EVER found DEG in the vapor produced.
 

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Why does this matter? Are people supposed to vote differently based on what party the politicians are in who support taxes and bans on vaping? Arent there more substantial issues on which to base what party you vote for? lol

Well at this point "the left" has had 4.5 years in power and in that time my paycheck got smaller and my tax bill went up. So yeah I am pretty tapped out on taxes at the moment. All I heard during the last 2 Presidential campaigns was if you made less than $250K your taxes would not go up by one cent. What a load of horse $... that was.
 
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