Good morning everybody . I'm new and researching ,first mech / build......

[Letitia]

Engine Nano with tri core fc .41Ω 23-24w, Nano tri core fc .26Ω 24-25w ( both ss 316l 30gx3/38g power mode. Zeus fc .28Ω 35-36w (ss 316l). Gorge staggered fc .42Ω on a pot, probably 36-40w range (ss 316i). Apocalypse Gen2 styled dual .28Ω 37w (27g ss 316l). All in power mode.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Engine Nano with tri core fc .41Ω 23-24w, Nano tri core fc .26Ω 24-25w ( both ss 316l 30gx3/38g power mode. Zeus fc .28Ω 35-36w (ss 316l). Gorge staggered fc .42Ω on a pot, probably 36-40w range (ss 316i). Apocalypse Gen2 styled dual .28Ω 37w (27g ss 316l). All in power mode.

Thx for the feedback. Seems our vape is somewhat similar in the middle. You like a cool vape too. My edges are broader at 17.5 to batt amp cap @.22Ω. Do test comp gear and winds that push existing batt boundaries. But gen build a good safety factor in for my own use.

I'm def pretty hard-core subΩ in the <.3Ω zone for mechs tho I prefer quite a few things right smack in the moderate range of .8Ω duals and singles on 18490 gear. For deep down flavor focused low power on KPT's or other tanks in that gen area, a bit cooler than you. This leaves from 35W to upwards of 60W@4.2V for mech's all the way up to amp limits. However, with tmc's wind config's with extremely distributed heat flux, lots of surface area, the apparent temp is comp to a max of 45W and instead of hot…very, very rich volume.
Then again at times, I just wanna see vapor.

IOW, I pretty much like it all. But I have a comfortable center I can always fall back on.

Just still wondering about your mixing VG/PG/DW% you mentioned as it seems to be ???

Good luck.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Have a good day all.

(Mornin bood.)

 

[Letitia]

Just still wondering about your mixing VG/PG/DW% you mentioned as it seems to be ???

Not sure what your questioning. I lean towards high flavor % recipes, so do not need added pg. DW is simply added to relieve "lung heaviness" that goes along with preferring high vg blends. I use nic salts and high vg to achieve a smooth th. My high flavor % mixes usually average 77vg/23pg on calculator. Lower % flavor mixes are 80/20.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Not sure what your questioning. I lean towards high flavor % recipes, so do not need added pg. DW is simply added to relieve "lung heaviness" that goes along with preferring high vg blends. I use nic salts and high vg to achieve a smooth th. My high flavor % mixes usually average 77vg/23pg on calculator. Lower % flavor mixes are 80/20.

Yes, and thanks for the comeback. You said you add 7% DW…

Most of my mixes are max vg/7%dw. If flavor % is low, 80vg/20pg/7%dw. I have found my lungs feel better with dw added. Keep in mind with these percentages I primarily use RTAs. Works for my RDAs pretty well.

It's diff to distill all water from VG and all comm providers deliver a diff % of H20 in their VG. Likewise, in VG based flavorings. Did you mean that you add that % to your final 80/20 mix? Wouldn't think as that could be quite a bit of water.

Good luck.

 

[Letitia]

I do add 7% dw in calculator. After I fill in recipe if vg is too low I remove pg if using any or lower water if not.
Last recipe I made
nic salts 9%
pg 1.1%
dw 7%
FW nat. blood orange 3%
FA Florida key lime 1.5%
FA royal orange 4%

 

[MacTechVpr]

I do add 7% dw in calculator. After I fill in recipe if vg is too low I remove pg if using any or lower water if not.
Last recipe I made
nic salts 9%
pg 1.1%
dw 7%
FW nat. blood orange 3%
FA Florida key lime 1.5%
FA royal orange 4%

Check your VG spec's to determine the %/water. Also your nic if VG based also. As well any VG based ingredients. All taken together you may see your actual content may be higher than you thought.

You like the citrus, huh? Have you ever tried the Spanish liqueur "43"? I'd love to clone that. I love my Jack but I'm afraid I have a sweet tooth.

Good luck.

 

[Letitia]

Have you ever tried the Spanish liqueur "43"?

No I have not. Have you looked for a recipe?
I believe my vg is 3% dw. I dropped dw from 10% to 7% in my last batch of mixes. New to diy and still feeling my way. Have some tasty testers. Will drop flavor % for those and mix testers for longer steeps. Yes, I am especially drawn to citrus vapes. Do like pear, raspberry, and apple vapes as well. Looking for a pear bourbon recipe. I just got in some vanilla bourbon I want to mix with the blood orange. Forgot to add the straight bourbon to cart. Need to make another order soon, maybe a rum as well would be nice for the pineapples. Odd that i don't enjoy drinking rum, but find it quite a tasty vape.

 

[MacTechVpr]

No I have not. Have you looked for a recipe?
I believe my vg is 3% dw. I dropped dw from 10% to 7% in my last batch of mixes. New to diy and still feeling my way. Have some tasty testers. Will drop flavor % for those and mix testers for longer steeps. Yes, I am especially drawn to citrus vapes. Do like pear, raspberry, and apple vapes as well. Looking for a pear bourbon recipe. I just got in some vanilla bourbon I want to mix with the blood orange. Forgot to add the straight bourbon to cart. Need to make another order soon, maybe a rum as well would be nice for the pineapples. Odd that i don't enjoy drinking rum, but find it quite a tasty vape.

Well all sounds good and yummy. But I think you might be a tad disappointed in the Vanilla Bourbon as it's likely to be a type of vanilla and not actually a bourbon flavoring. Don't feel as bad as I did. It was one of my first object lessons in DIY…read the ingredient descriptions. Secondly, it's a very useful flavor accent.

There are two staples I rely on TFA Kentucky Bourbon and RF Aged Bourbon Cream. Think you'll enjoy them both.

Thx for the info on DW. You almost sent me back into research mode. There's an H20 sweet spot in every recipe. One that matches your preference for vapor density (which will affect perceived flavor). Sometimes its a challenge to find the best ratio of base, flavorings and water. But its often worth pursuing along with the effect of water on the pH of your final brew. Juggling these two things can be a fine art yielding some highly prized vape wisdom. For beginners though its good enough to observe carefully what effects water has on vapor production and pH (acid or alkaline flavorings) with regard to taste. It's not difficult but requires observation just like in the kitchen.

Good luck.

 

[Letitia]

There are two staples I rely on TFA Kentucky Bourbon and RF Aged Bourbon Cream. Think you'll enjoy them both.

Thank you for the recommendations. Downloaded "Like Water For Chocolate" today. Looking forward to reading it.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Thank you for the recommendations. Downloaded "Like Water For Chocolate" today. Looking forward to reading it.

Good I'm sure you'll enjoy it. Just getting off to bed. Interviewing tech interns tomorrow for a project so a busy day.

Good luck.

 

[MacTechVpr]

You started a good thread @bood. Mebe of some use to new vapers going forward. Mech's shouldn't become a lost art. Starting to feel like it's a home away from home re the other two threads I've camped on for years. Good issues and questions that have really motivated me to think and try to contribute a few and diff perspectives. Thank you for your curiosity and diligence.

Have a great day all and good luck.

 

[bood]

Guess this thread is good and alive because of the guests quality ..

its a pleasure to read and learn for me.....i feel quite unexperienced reading what you (guests) have gone through and reached in your vape quest...
lot to learn , and quite likely some big saves for me from it


..in the meanwhile...still getting used to the 'new' daemon alien flat coils...
still some time to give out my thoughts.....

 

[bood]

Thx for the info on DW. You almost sent me back into research mode. There's an H20 sweet spot in every recipe. One that matches your preference for vapor density (which will affect perceived flavor). Sometimes its a challenge to find the best ratio of base, flavorings and water.

dont know how interesting ..:
I'm a lemon lime guy , my vape style is little sip + 2 3 fast deep vape and get back to business ( no dope ), my day use varies between 2 and 5 ml a day , afternoon is time of the day I vape the most ..

ok : i wanted to share that my diy experiments have been quite horrible....... done a few , with results going from mediocre to horror / .... ( my taste ) ,

realizing how long it takes to create something decent - for my mouth , I got back to appreciating and vaping 1 only aroma juices better.

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My best dyi creation the only I've kept in fact been mixing a whatever% vg/pg/03 nic liquid ( not gone though many different % really as with the justfog I need to stay 50/50 ) with pure lemon and pure lime essential bio oil, adding a hint of passion fruit "for vaping" flavor, mix and remix for some days , then leave the thing stabilyze for 1 week ( but 3 days seems ok to me ) , then finally sucking the oil from the surface of the liquid

/yes I know that someone will say this procedure doesn't remove completely the oil from the mix and that's bad for my lungs .

This is the thing I get back to
when I try something else ...

I found some things that i can vape equally with pleasure
but apart from not being very fit for my daily vape need even if I find them good I eventually get tired of them
foremost they didnt quite give me an equally refreshing nic distress and mind fresh blaze it gives me going out and vaping 2 full breath of my juice
dont know if it has to do with oil or just about lime and lemon being sour..
know not very much why this preference of mine
who knows ..never drank big lemonades in my life or before vaping
lime was ok but very spare too

I found a lot of creamy and fruity juices and more in general sweetness in juices tend to give a sort of relaxed mood and state of mind
which I dislike


my other mixes.. meh.. bad time , i could do very well without
apart few of it


during my work-week , I really want my juice
probably it has to do with the fact that I do not want that extra relax that many other juices seem to offer

sometimes I like to add some vodka or gin in the mix.. jut sayin.. it did nothing strange or weird no buzz etc but noticed that depending on something this mix works better at times

 

[MacTechVpr]

dont know how interesting ..:
I'm a lemon lime guy , my vape style is little sip + 2 3 fast deep vape and get back to business ( no dope ), my day use varies between 2 and 5 ml a day , afternoon is time of the day I vape the most ..

ok : i wanted to share that my diy experiments have been quite horrible....... done a few , with results going from mediocre to horror / .... ( my taste ) ,

realizing how long it takes to create something decent - for my mouth , I got fast back to appreciating and vaping 1 only aroma juices, and finding I appreciate constantly quite better this kind of vape .

+
My best dyi creation the only I've kept in fact been mixing a whatever% vg/pg/03 nic liquid ( not gone though many different % really as with the justfog I need to stay 50/50 ) with pure lemon and pure lime essential bio oil, adding a hint of passion fruit "for vaping" flavor, mix and remix for some days , then leave the thing stabilyze for 1 week ( but 3 days seems ok to me ) , then finally sucking the oil from the surface of the liquid

/yes I know that someone will say this procedure doesn't remove completely the oil from the mix and that's bad for my lungs .

This is the thing I get back to
when I try something else ...

I found some things that i can vape equally with and with pleasure
but eventually I get tired fast of it
and foremost it doesnt give me an equally refreshing nic distress -and mind fresh blaze it gives me going out and vaping 2 full breath of my juice

I found a lot of creamy and fruity juices and more in general sweetness in juices tend to give a sort of relaxed mood and state of mind
which I dislike


my other mixes.. meh.. bad time and too much time spent until now ,
apart few of it


during my work-week , I really want my juice

sometimes I like to add some vodka or gin in the mix.. jut sayin.. it did nothing strange or weird no buzz etc but noticed that depending on something this mix sometimes works better to my feel of the day / job too

Just a quick thought so this post isn't forgotten. I use water-soluble oils only (LR). Still the viscosity can present mixing problems and depending on the ingredient, precipitation (separation, cloudiness). So I generally dilute oils to a max of 10% by volume and let them steep this way. Same thing with tab absolutes. In PG, PG/VG and even straight VG. This has seemed to help achieve faster solution for my shake-n-vape. I stay away from non water-solubles.

Want great vapor production — max VG, or as close as poss.

Why do we use PG? Have you ever gotten a straight answer, really? In my skeptical and often cynical perspective it has nothing to do with flavor or vapor production. It's one of those unexpressed assumptions. But high PG is not going to increase any safety factors for its lower boiling point. E-liq doesn't vape itself. Our wire, our build does. That"s what matters.

I'll ack here a reasonable justification for PG's use in cold weather clime's. S'about it.

Good luck and try tension!

 

[stols001]

Since I don't vape PG, I tend to wonder myself, but I do think that many believe it to be safer to have some in the mix temp wise (I was certainly happier with my temps when I added 10% DW) I guess in either directions for cold climates. There are certainly others who claim it's a better flavor carrier and also gives a better throat hit. Again, I wouldn't really know, personally since the only flavor I vaped PG was peppermint, it's hard to NOT taste that, but I will say that there is nothing wrong with using either, provided you aren't sensitive to one or the other. I will say I prefer being sensitive to PG, as I think it's a lot harder to get a satisfying vape with pure PG, and I flavor how I flavor given the ingredients I have.... Interestingly, I don't use a great deal of flavoring as compared to storebought, even when mostly VG, and I don't get a throat hit, but my throat was so torn up when I got here, I didn't even want one and use nic salts for that very reason.

I think it's good to have options though, and I'm so glad I started adding some distilled water, it has improved my vape quality in every way.... It's nice.

Anna

 

[bood]

Good luck and try tension!

lol

 

[bood]

update


the alien flat daemon coils are stunning performers for both vapour and flavor , quite a difference
vapour, I want no more thanks
flavor, is on the dense and warm side of the vape
flavor and vapor congestion, Im ok with less ( coil temp too high ?)

still my first long lagging asymmetric coils kind of give me the vape i prefer , less congested bit less warm and the flavor more natural .............@MacTechVpr will work with you on this as its unlikely that my very first coil set which is asymettrical and so slow give me the best vape of my life on this mech


would like to write more but super busy from last week
I get back on topic soon

top of this I have vaped too much lately ( I'm dtl vaping with the mech but I have some mouth issues mainly irritation .. maybe the nic as I used some 06 liquid or it can be the extra vapour from the new coils don't know really ) so I have to break a bit in a way or another
my need for cigarettes is stepping up lately

 

[MacTechVpr]

update


the alien flat daemon coils are stunning performers for both vapour and flavor , quite a difference
vapour, I want no more thanks
flavor, is on the dense and warm side of the vape
flavor and vapor congestion, Im ok with less ( coil temp too high ?)
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still my first long lagging asymmetric coils kind of give me the vape i prefer , less congested bit less warm and the flavor more natural .............@MacTechVpr will work with you on this as its unlikely that my very first coil set which is asymettrical and so slow give me the best vape of my life on this mech


would like to write more but super busy from last week
I get back on topic soon

top of this I have vaped too much lately ( I'm dtl vaping with the mech but I have some mouth issues mainly irritation .. maybe the nic as I used some 06 liquid or it can be the extra vapour from the new coils don't know really ) so I have to break a bit in a way or another
my need for cigarettes is stepping up lately

First, if you're going to up pwr and overall output, you may need to drop your nic a tad. Keep a bottle or unicorn of VG handy, 30 ml's enough. If the vape starts to get to dense and/or hot (missing a/f or pwr poss for the mass) dab dry the wick a tad. I'll blow into air holes too to force the wick drying some. Begin the recharge with a couple of drops of VG. This'll get the flow going. If you're using a variable try upping the watts some, a bit (<5w), to try to find the best vape point for the wind. Again, sounds from your desc you're slightly underpowered or lack air (too saturated). This often feels like too much nic. Not last and not least, check your connections to ensure they're solid. A slight imbalance will through a coil off (hot or hot spots) or throw off the balance of a coil pair. This too will prove too wet and a slightly harsh vape all the way to unbearable, you wanna kick yourself.

See that last thing you just said, re temp…that's why I do what I do. Simple theory really that if you learn to build a simple baseline that finds the temp and density center that works for you quickly you have a better chance of succeeding. And, big and, getting you greatly better enjoyment of everything you do going forward.

Agree with you on the aliens. Great outstanding contact surface and so vaporization overall. Far better than most multi-wire with larger aspect ratio relative to mass. We want more real estate, less skyline. Still it's enough mass that to power it may mean more heat than we need for the flow (diameter). Still higher diffusion than a t.m.c. single or multiple but less than fat wire straights. This is where balanced density resides. The most compact efficient geometry.

You can get it cooler (spread turns) but to get to your temp you'll need more power. Perhaps you found the approx center that you like with that broken parallel. Mebe we could take a closer look at its attributes and see if we can't replicate that for your first t.m.c. Yes, we can.

Before you bury your present one which looks pretty nice…wouldn't mind sampling it…give me a few to look back where you ended up. If you do and find your posts describing it, post please and refresh us. We'll try to find the means to compare. At least get close.

Have a great eve.

Good luck.

 

[bood]

First, if you're going to up pwr and overall output, you may need to drop your nic a tad. Keep a bottle or unicorn of VG handy, 30 ml's enough.

done it yet

If the vape starts to get to dense and/or hot (missing a/f or pwr poss for the mass) dab dry the wick a tad. I'll blow into air holes too to force the wick drying some. Begin the recharge with a couple of drops of VG. This'll get the flow going. If you're using a variable try upping the watts some, a bit (<5w), to try to find the best vape point for the wind

I have a mech and a justfog , but would like to use the mech only for more air and dtl vape

Again, sounds from your desc you're slightly underpowered or lack air (too saturated). This often feels like too much nic. Not last and not least, check your connections to ensure they're solid

the other rda with some "normal" ss coils vape just fine on the same mech mod .
should I use a volt meter and measure something in my set?

unless my vtc4 are defective
but dont think so , they're new and with the first long coils lasted a lot 3 days I think .

I dont get "wet" vapes from the alien flat coils, maybe harsh , and feel more nic

tmc means kanthal only ?