GP Series by VapourArt - Official Thread for GP Spheroid, GP PAPS, X, GP Piccolo, GP SnP and more - Part 3

[Firestorm]

But I also wonder if maybe the GPin was adjusted slightly it would work for these longer 510 attys?

Can you unscrew the GPin a bit from the Delrin insulator to make room for an atomizer's long 510 center pin? If the GPin then applies too much pressure on the battery or the top cap doesn't fully thread on then perhaps you can swap out and use the shorter pin?

 

[qorax]

The eveninger...

 

[Zbeast08]

i always get confused with the time for VD for NC est....would it be 2pm?


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[qorax]

i always get confused with the time for VD for NC est....would it be 2pm?

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The timing in our local time, as well as a countdown timer is right there on VA's site: July 11, Vapourday

 

[cliffy15]

Anyone else vaping the v4 switch on a v3 18500 tube with a Heron in hybrid mode and the long gpin with AW18490s?

I ask because I'm getting minimal contact on the gpin with no compression of the spring. I've even already installed the higher delrin insulator in the v4 switch.

I know there are battery variances but it's the same for all 6 of my AW18490 batteries.

Maybe my solution is to use actual 18500 batteries?

 

[perseas]

I am having a blast using my v4 with a velocity right now, but just to test out the GPin, I decided to try a few other of my atomizers on it. The majority of them work great, but I notice that there are a few with longer 510 connections such as the authentic Tugboat v2 that do not sit flush because the atomizer side of the GPin must reach its maximum movement. This is not a huge flaw and I think that some of these modders need to follow a bit closer to convention now with a reasonably sized 510 threading and a pin that just sticks out a bit past the threads. But I also wonder if maybe the GPin was adjusted slightly it would work for these longer 510 attys?

@perseas do you know about this?

A 510 connection has 4 mm length plus 0,2 - 1 mm for the pin as long as I remember it. The GPin allows 1,5 mm more for the pin and if you trim the spring even more. Any atomizer that doesn't sit flush with all this tolerance, probably uses unconventional 510 connection and this isn't a design flaw from our side. Can you please measure the 510 connection of this atomizer?

 

[perseas]

Anyone else vaping the v4 switch on a v3 18500 tube with a Heron in hybrid mode and the long gpin with AW18490s?

I ask because I'm getting minimal contact on the gpin with no compression of the spring. I've even already installed the higher delrin insulator in the v4 switch.

I know there are battery variances but it's the same for all 6 of my AW18490 batteries.

Maybe my solution is to use actual 18500 batteries?

We have shortened the v4 tubes by 1 mm to avoid this issue. To solve this for the 18490 batteries in conjunction with the 18500 v3 tube and a hybrid connection, we should have created an additional pin and we decided not to for sake of simplicity. I am sorry, but we cannot cover this combination (switch v4+18500 tube v3+AW 18490 battery+hybrid connection). In that case a 18500 battery has to be used or GP PAPS switch v4+GP PAPS 18500 tube v3+GP PAPS v3/v4 top cap+GP Heron 510 adapter+AW 18490 battery.

 

[cliffy15]

We have shortened the v4 tubes by 1 mm to avoid this issue. To solve this for the 18490 batteries in conjunction with the 18500 v3 tube and a hybrid connection, we should have created an additional pin and we decided not to for sake of simplicity. I am sorry, but we cannot cover this combination (switch v4+18500 tube v3+AW 18490 battery+hybrid connection). In that case a 18500 battery has to be used or GP PAPS switch v4+GP PAPS 18500 tube v3+GP PAPS v3/v4 top cap+GP Heron 510 adapter+AW 18490 battery.

Thanks for the reply, P! Guess I'll have to order that v4 tube, then! I won't be around a computer for a few days, but let's see if it'll work from my phone before my battery dies!

edit: just placed the tube order. shipping is a good chunk of the total cost but I like me my aw18490s. go figure.

Maybe a note on this particular combination on the v4 page is warranted... unless I'm the only one with this specific issue?

 

[DaveSignal]

A 510 connection has 4 mm length plus 0,2 - 1 mm for the pin as long as I remember it. The GPin allows 1,5 mm more for the pin and if you trim the spring even more. Any atomizer that doesn't sit flush with all this tolerance, probably uses unconventional 510 connection and this isn't a design flaw from our side. Can you please measure the 510 connection of this atomizer?

I am in the process of a move to a new country and have shipped a lot of my stuff already, including my measuring tools. But here is a picture:

I have a ton of atomizers, but these are a few that I just tested. They are all authentic versions.
From left to right:
Doge X v2 : This is just barely not flush... its so close that when the atomizer top cap is pushed on a bit tighter its barely even noticable.
Tugboat v2: This is clearly not flush
Mephisto v2: flush
Velocity: flush
El Cabron: not flush
Dark Horse: flush

I have many more RDAs and could continue with this testing, but I have a feeling that this same pattern is going to repeat.

 

[perseas]

Thanks for the reply, P! Guess I'll have to order that v4 tube, then! I won't be around a computer for a few days, but let's see if it'll work from my phone before my battery dies!

edit: just placed the tube order. shipping is a good chunk of the total cost but I like me my aw18490s. go figure.

Maybe a note on this particular combination on the v4 page is warranted... unless I'm the only one with this specific issue?

I have updated the switch description, just in case. You can choose a cheaper option for shipping via registered mail for the tube. If you wish I can update your order and refund you the difference.

 

[perseas]

I am in the process of a move to a new country and have shipped a lot of my stuff already, including my measuring tools. But here is a picture:

I have a ton of atomizers, but these are a few that I just tested. They are all authentic versions.
From left to right:
Doge X v2 : This is just barely not flush... its so close that when the atomizer top cap is pushed on a bit tighter its barely even noticable.
Tugboat v2: This is clearly not flush
Mephisto v2: flush
Velocity: flush
El Cabron: not flush
Dark Horse: flush

I have many more RDAs and could continue with this testing, but I have a feeling that this same pattern is going to repeat.

Thank you for the response, but without exact measurements I cannot do more than commenting on the photo.
However, I can clearly see which of them is out of specs, because it is too much. I figured it out before I read your post, just be looking at them!

 

[DaveSignal]

Thank you for the response, but without exact measurements I cannot do more than commenting on the photo.
However, I can clearly see which of them is out of specs, because it is too much. I figured it out before I read your post, just be looking at the photo!

Are there specs? Are the manufacturers of these atomizers supposed to be following some kind of guideline for the 510? Of course, anything that doesn't fit perfectly flush, I could make fit flush either by clipping the GPin spring, or possibly backing out the delrin for the GPin assembly and possibly swapping battery pins. I just thought that for a design that is supposed to require no user adjustment that maybe the GPin should be slightly more flexible.

 

[perseas]

Are there specs? Are the manufacturers of these atomizers supposed to be following some kind of guideline for the 510? Of course, anything that doesn't fit perfectly flush, I could make fit flush either by clipping the GPin spring, or possibly backing out the delrin for the GPin assembly and possibly swapping battery pins. I just thought that for a design that is supposed to require no user adjustment that maybe the GPin should be slightly more flexible.

The 510 connection is not new, it is in the market many years. Of course there are specs or at least conventions, and we respect them since 2011. There is not much flexibility in a 510 connection, otherwise not even a cartomizer would be able to screw properly. When a new modder makes the threaded part 4,5 - 5 mm long and the pin is protruding another 1-2 mm, this is considered a sloppy work and it will certainly create gaps in many mods. If I can see with bare eye differences in length between various 510 connectors, without even measuring them, then something is very wrong with these connectors. We strive hard to keep compatibility with all batteries, all kicks, all versions, but no one can ensure gapless connections with devices that use unconventional and non adjustable 510 connectors without some modifications.

 

[DaveSignal]

The 510 connection is not new, it is in the market many years. Of course there are specs, or at lease conventions and we respect them since 2011. There is not much flexibility in a 510 connection, otherwise not even a cartomizer would be able to screw properly. When a new modder makes the threaded part 4,5 - 5 mm long and the pin is protruding another 1-2 mm, this is considered a sloppy work and it will certainly create gaps in many mods. If I can see with bare eye differences in length between various 510 connectors, without even measuring them, then something is very wrong with these connectors. We strive hard to keep compatibility with all batteries, all kicks, all versions, but no one can ensure gapless connections with devices that use unconventional and non adjustable 510 connectors without some modifications.

I understand.. and the GPin has a unique adjustability on both the battery side and the atomizer side. Note though that all of those above atomizers will screw on fully to a spring-loaded 510 from fatdaddyvapes.com.

 

[cliffy15]

I have updated the switch description, just in case. You can choose a cheaper option for shipping via registered mail for the tube. If you wish I can update your order and refund you the difference.

Thanks, P! I'll stick with the DHL though. I'm impatient and it's only $7 more than the cheap option with no delivery guarantee.

 

[perseas]

I understand.. and the GPin has a unique adjustability on both the battery side and the atomizer side. Note though that all of those above atomizers will screw on fully to a spring-loaded 510 from fatdaddyvapes.com.

Your example is not comparable because it is not a double pogo pin as ours, but a single one, so they have more space to compress the spring in just one direction, while you can clip the GPin's spring to solve the issue with the non adjustable devices, anyway.

 

[DaveSignal]

Your example is not comparable because it is not a double pogo pin as ours, so they have more space to compress the spring in just one direction, while you can clip the GPin's spring to solve the issue anyway.

OK. I will clip it if I decide to start using an atomizer with longer 510. Its not really a huge issue and is a tradeoff that I would always be willing to take to have the double pogo. I just think its something that should be mentioned if someone does a review of the v4.

 

[perseas]

OK. I will clip it if I decide to start using an atomizer with longer 510. Its not really a huge issue and is a tradeoff that I would always be willing to take to have the double pogo. I just think its something that should be mentioned if someone does a review of the v4.

Of course, but if the reviewer doesn't also mention that no one can ensure gapless connections with devices that use unconventional and non adjustable 510 connectors without some modifications, he will spread a half-truth. The devil is always in the details

 

[Firestorm]

Apparently the GPin that is included with the GP Paps v4 comes with different sized pins than included with previous versions. The new “long” pin is the size of the previous “short” pin and the new “short” pin is about the length of the pin that is used to make contact with the atomizer. I’m basing this on an email conversation with Vapourart Support.

Similar to cliffy, I am unable to use the new Paps v4 switch, a GP Paps v3 18500 tube, an 18490 battery, and a Heron direct connection because of battery rattle. Additionally, I am only able to use the new Paps v4 switch and top cap, a GP Paps v3 18500 tube, an 18490 battery, and a KFL without experiencing battery rattle unless I use the older “long” pin and unscrew the GPin from the Delrin insulator a bit.

I understand that changes must come with innovation and that Vapourart tries to offer backwards compatibility as much as it can. I’m content that my primary use case of using an older 18350 tube with the new “long” pin works fine, but I can envision a new GPin kit being offered that includes a variety of different sized pins like the new “short” and “long” pins, the old “long” pin, and a newer “longest” pin that can be used to support the two scenarios that I describe above. Perhaps these pins could be sold separately so pre-Paps v4 and Heron owners could buy just the old "long" pin and/or a new "longest" pin. I imagine that options like this would be attractive to people like me with legacy GP Series products that want to be able to maintain compatibility.

 

[Augmented Dog]

OK. I will clip it if I decide to start using an atomizer with longer 510. Its not really a huge issue and is a tradeoff that I would always be willing to take to have the double pogo. I just think its something that should be mentioned if someone does a review of the v4.

Dave,
If you haven't already, try screwing your atty onto the top cap before attaching it to the tube. You may find you'll get a better fit that way.