My sympathies DD. It doesn't matter what age moms n dads are, it's still a wrench and then all the good memories come flooding in and hit ya between the eyes. Hugs.
Just remember , Red Hat doesn't own or define Linux , Linux defines Red Hat and Linus Torvald owns Linux . Not REHL or IBM . Nothing will change with the other Linux distributions like Mint or Manjaro because of the licensing of the Linux kernel . In order to use it RHEL must remain open source or face a lawsuit they can not win if they violate that license . It's that simple and it would be damd stupid of RHEL if they do . Linus is blunt , obscene , obnoxious and has told major corporations to go screw themselves on more than one occasion , insert the F word in place of screw for a literal translation of Linus's words along with a raised middle finger . Look up the license for the kernel and look up Linus on youtube , I can't link that here .
wellll... another long day ( 13 hrs and 680 miles) had to go back to Panama City and went further this time to downtown area... ummm, that area got nailed by the hurricane and is still a mess, trees down everywhere and loads of trash on the roadways... amazing how 10 miles difference can be such a matter in the destruction factor.... the place looks like Nola after Katrina.... pine trees 2+ feet in diameter snapped off at 1/3rd the way up, oak trees 4-5' in dia totally up rooted... and here I was thinking that it cleaned up nicely... 
I’m so sorry for your loss DD. You are in my thoughts and prayers. Sending hugs to you and your family.
680 miles! Holy Smoke Mr BK! I do hope the folk get sorted soon, and receive the funding they need to do that.wellll... another long day ( 13 hrs and 680 miles) had to go back to Panama City and went further this time to downtown area... ummm, that area got nailed by the hurricane and is still a mess, trees down everywhere and loads of trash on the roadways... amazing how 10 miles difference can be such a matter in the destruction factor.... the place looks like Nola after Katrina.... pine trees 2+ feet in diameter snapped off at 1/3rd the way up, oak trees 4-5' in dia totally up rooted... and here I was thinking that it cleaned up nicely...
Ah, don't worry, Linux will be fine, it has always been and it has withstood many big corps trying to wiggle their way into manipulating it. As long as open-source is open-source and guys who know what they're doing can have a look, there's no way Linux is gonna end up like Windows (started
).I have never understood the popularity of RH and all its derivatives in the US anyway. If IBM accelerates its demise, why not, there's plenty of alternatives. I detest SUSE as well. Imho all Debian-y and Ubuntu-y Linuxes are the way to go. Been using Debian since the early 2000s/late 90s, came from Suse and RH, and haven't looked back. But then again, I'm a server and dev-guy, haven't played a game or bothered with Wine in ages.
PS: I once compiled my own Linux from scratch. The safest way to ensure you know what your system is doing. It was fun, but keeping it up-to-date was a pain
The project is still around: Welcome to Linux From Scratch!Sorry for your loss, DD!
Lost my dad 7 years ago, after 8 years of suffering from a stroke. Sometimes faster is better
Lost my dad 7 years ago, after 8 years of suffering from a stroke. Sometimes faster is better
They're kind of like twisters. A twister will explode a house down to the slab and the house next to it will maybe have a couple shingles blown off.wellll... another long day ( 13 hrs and 680 miles) had to go back to Panama City and went further this time to downtown area... ummm, that area got nailed by the hurricane and is still a mess, trees down everywhere and loads of trash on the roadways... amazing how 10 miles difference can be such a matter in the destruction factor.... the place looks like Nola after Katrina.... pine trees 2+ feet in diameter snapped off at 1/3rd the way up, oak trees 4-5' in dia totally up rooted... and here I was thinking that it cleaned up nicely...
Of course I don't wish anyone to lose their homes but I do have a problem with government bailouts of wealthy people with beach houses as second homes (or rental businesses) on the coast knowing a hurricane is not a matter of if but when.
Yup , Microsoft tried to lay claim to Linux and failed . IBM will fare no better , especially here , the licensing laws are strict in the U.S. . The only possible problem is IBM and RHEL having an Apple like lockdown on the webs infrastructure by controlling hardware and software , there are still laws to contend with that but companies that big are evil empires by nature . BTW , I'm assuming you had to compile your updates from source code on that homegrown Linux , fun ,fun ,fun , NOT .Ah, don't worry, Linux will be fine, it has always been and it has withstood many big corps trying to wiggle their way into manipulating it. As long as open-source is open-source and guys who know what they're doing can have a look, there's no way Linux is gonna end up like Windows (started
I have never understood the popularity of RH and all its derivatives in the US anyway. If IBM accelerates its demise, why not, there's plenty of alternatives. I detest SUSE as well. Imho all Debian-y and Ubuntu-y Linuxes are the way to go. Been using Debian since the early 2000s/late 90s, came from Suse and RH, and haven't looked back. But then again, I'm a server and dev-guy, haven't played a game or bothered with Wine in ages.
PS: I once compiled my own Linux from scratch. The safest way to ensure you know what your system is doing. It was fun, but keeping it up-to-date was a pain
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Retic, yes I was under the impression from a long time ago that Red Hat was the first. I thought the others were a spin off of Red Hat. I got that RH dvd/cd or whatever it was from a Best buy store free. They were giving them out, and AOL cds too. That probably tells you how long ago that was. I knew nothing about Linux then really.... There were no instructions that I can remember besides what was on the label. Maybe you will have an idea of how long ago that was. So that first bad experience because it was over my head, probably still is at the back of my mind. Plus it isn't just a gaming experience for me, and the internet. I don't game anymore. So I do have a ton of personal pictures and stuff, that I would have to transfer. Back then I bought books on computers and software. Then I realized that it would be obsolete right off the bat, so I quit buying the books. I even had a book on Netscape if I remember right.
Ah, don't worry, Linux will be fine, it has always been and it has withstood many big corps trying to wiggle their way into manipulating it. As long as open-source is open-source and guys who know what they're doing can have a look, there's no way Linux is gonna end up like Windows (started
I have never understood the popularity of RH and all its derivatives in the US anyway. If IBM accelerates its demise, why not, there's plenty of alternatives. I detest SUSE as well. Imho all Debian-y and Ubuntu-y Linuxes are the way to go. Been using Debian since the early 2000s/late 90s, came from Suse and RH, and haven't looked back. But then again, I'm a server and dev-guy, haven't played a game or bothered with Wine in ages.
PS: I once compiled my own Linux from scratch. The safest way to ensure you know what your system is doing. It was fun, but keeping it up-to-date was a pain
Is your Debian/Ubuntu preference related to performance? Stability? I’m curious.
Also, do you have a favorite log reader/monitor that’s open source, or at least low cost?
It’s sunny, cool and windy this morning. So the cats are tearing around the place like kittens. My day is off to a goofy start.
It is humid here and very windy. They are calling for severe weather tomorrow. A cold front will drop our temperature by twenty degrees, they are saying.
Is your Debian/Ubuntu preference related to performance? Stability? I’m curious.
neither really. the switch back then, in 98/99 iirc, happened because we were dissatisfied with both suse's and redhat's package management systems - pure rpm without yum back then, suse had yast, but it was all pretty "closed" as to what package-repositories got access to yast.
Suse and RH both were companies who had commercial interests as opposed to Debian which is (was?) a non-commercial "volunteer organization". The former have always tried to "sell" what was actually just a compilation of free software; in the beginning Suse argued they would basically just charge for the printed manual and (afair) 1-year of free support.
Debian didn't try to sell anything.
Add to that that apt, Debian's package-(repository)-manager and -system was far superior to Suse/RH's we decided to give Debian a go.
With the possibility to easily add 3rd party repos and with the "stable" branch always being stable as a rock - old, but well tested software - and with "unstable" being bleeding edge and actually stable enough for desktop use, it was the perfect fit for us.
Us being my best bud and me back when had the "honour" to set up a start-up company who out of a combination of stupidity and luck got a 2MBit/s connection for free in the middle of nowhere (at times where a local college had a 9,6KBit/s). We needed servers (motherboards in beer cases) and DNS, SMTP, POP3 and HTTP fast - whatever that was
So much for history. Sticked with apt-based distros where I got to choose. Like Ubuntu/Mint for ease-of use. Still have administered many rpm based servers over the years, including RH, CentOS and the likes.
So why I do prefer them now - I don't know. I'm a man of habits
Not really. I'm a tail/grep guy. But I have used munin for monitoring and monit for alerting for many customers' machines if you're looking for something like that.
Munin
Easy, proactive monitoring of processes, programs, files, directories, filesystems and hosts | Monit
neither really. the switch back then, in 98/99 iirc, happened because we were dissatisfied with both suse's and redhat's package management systems - pure rpm without yum back then, suse had yast, but it was all pretty "closed" as to what package-repositories got access to yast.
Suse and RH both were companies who had commercial interests as opposed to Debian which is (was?) a non-commercial "volunteer organization". The former have always tried to "sell" what was actually just a compilation of free software; in the beginning Suse argued they would basically just charge for the printed manual and (afair) 1-year of free support.
Debian didn't try to sell anything.
Add to that that apt, Debian's package-(repository)-manager and -system was far superior to Suse/RH's we decided to give Debian a go.
With the possibility to easily add 3rd party repos and with the "stable" branch always being stable as a rock - old, but well tested software - and with "unstable" being bleeding edge and actually stable enough for desktop use, it was the perfect fit for us.
Us being my best bud and me back when had the "honour" to set up a start-up company who out of a combination of stupidity and luck got a 2MBit/s connection for free in the middle of nowhere (at times where a local college had a 9,6KBit/s). We needed servers (motherboards in beer cases) and DNS, SMTP, POP3 and HTTP fast - whatever that was
So much for history. Sticked with apt-based distros where I got to choose. Like Ubuntu/Mint for ease-of use. Still have administered many rpm based servers over the years, including RH, CentOS and the likes.
So why I do prefer them now - I don't know. I'm a man of habits
Not really. I'm a tail/grep guy. But I have used munin for monitoring and monit for alerting for many customers' machines if you're looking for something like that.
Munin
Easy, proactive monitoring of processes, programs, files, directories, filesystems and hosts | Monit
Awesome answer! Thank you for being so thorough. I’m using tail/grep too. Sometimes it seems that there’s has to be a more efficient way to grab the info. I don’t need GUI or graphing functions, though they could be helpful. I’ll look into those two.
LOL - motherboards in beer cases! Ah, the good ole days.
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