Hide yo Mod, hide yo eGO..and hide you 510 too, they harass'n errybody up in here!

[potmilkz]

honestly if i didnt know anything about e-cigs or vaping.. and i see you with viles of liquid that possibly looks like drugs.. i would question as well.. give it a rest guys.. he was doing his job.. its not like the entire world now knows about vaping..

you cant expect everyone to know about vaping.. let alone try to convince a LEO that your viles of liquid is not drugs to someone with virtually no knowledge of the e-cig world.

instead of trying convince the LEO it is vaping, let him ask his questions and educate them..

 

[StormFinch]

Apparently you missed this.
The handling of high-strength base liquids, and especially pure nicotine, and the chemicals needed to create e-liquid should be done only by those qualified to work with dangerous materials.

Any information contained within this forum is acted on at the user's own risk.

ECF cannot be held responsible for individuals causing injury or even death to themselves or others by following the information contained in this forum.

Anyone considering doing so must bear in mind the following:

•Nicotine is an extremely toxic substance - more so than arsenic, milligram for milligram. Its extraction, storage and use in e-liquid pose a significant risk to the user and anyone who might come into contact with it.
•Never allow nicotine to touch your skin or allow it to build up in the atmosphere. Always wear suitable protective clothing and keep workspaces well ventilated.
•Extreme caution must always be applied in the handling of nicotine, especially where children are concerned - a drop of e-liquid that might make a long-term smoker feel sick will likely kill a child.
•All items contaminated by nicotine extraction or e-liquid mixing must be cleaned or disposed of accordingly. Treat it as toxic waste - do not allow it to pollute the environment or remain unattended or unsecured at any time. Contact your local authority to find what provisions there are for hazardous waste disposal before you attempt any e-liquid production.
•E-liquid and all substances used in its production must be stored securely away from children and pets and in child-proof bottles.
•Appropriate care must be taken to safeguard against fire-hazards. Many ingredients in e-liquid are highly flammable, as are many substances used in the extraction of nicotine.


Even following these guidelines cannot guarantee your safety.

If you do not have experience in handling dangerous chemicals you should not attempt to do any DIY liquid manufacture. Buy your e-liquid supplies instead from one of the many manufacturers that already exist.

Again, ECF cannot be held responsible for injury or death caused by following any of the information found on the boards
(( If we are unwilling to state the truth how can we expect the opposition to do so.))

A good reminder, but none of us civvies work with pure nicotine. As the reminder states, only someone with the know how and equipment should do that. At most he was mixing with 100 mg/ml, 10% nicotine by volume. It's dangerous to drink or leave on your skin, but it's not the "kill you if you sniff it" strength. We DIYers also use levels like 48 or 60 mg/ml so he could have had one of those.

 

[Butters78]

Was it this guy?

 

[Butters78]

We can have Smokey deliver our supplies!

 

[Caridwen]

Let's please watch the drug talk-

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-why-we-dont-allow-drug-talk.html#post4969735

 

[BostLabs]

Just a slight bit o' editing the statement ^^^. I've experienced that this 'respectful request' has resulted in more than one "Well, I'll let it go this time." If you have done nuttin' wrong and are in da 'right', make 'em call! "Sir, I again respectfully request to speak with your superior." It exposes the LEO's lack of knowledge and can highlight their ignorance/arrogance, which is an ego blaster for 'em (not counting da positive educational aspect)!

Too bad ya had the beer exposed!!!

BTW, I respect LEOs and have no issues with da non-Napoleon personalities!

Yup! Good edit. Adding to the ole memory bank. Thanks!

 

[BostLabs]

Make no mistake, an officer does NOT have to PROVE you are doing something illegal. They can make an arrest on suspicion of illegal activity and THEN do an investigation and leave it up to the DA and the courts to decide your guilt. They can even hold you for 24 hours without formally charging you. Most of the time they will not do this without hard evidence unless the crime suspected is severe enough to warrant taking you off of the street, but they can. Showing them respect, even if undeserved, can go a long way to easing their suspicion and hopefully keep you out of hand cuffs.

Sure! But I hope they understand that I'm going to rake them over the coals afterward. It's only fair, he wrongfully raked me over them. Just returning the favor.

 

[BostLabs]

Was it this guy?

Dang it, dabnabit!
They told me they weren't going to publish that picture.

LOL

 

[317Vapers]

You def. should have gotten his badge number and filed a complaint. That just ticks me off. Just like some of the police that try to abuse their powers and violate our constitutional rights. (I said some not all, there is still some good ones out there). Seems like a lot of officers are on a power trip these days and think they have to prove a point. Why cant they just be open minded and listen to what people are telling them.

All he would have had to do is type in a vendor (that you state so he knows) and he would be like oh... sorry carry on. But no he has to assume that your using a illegal device and illegal activity just because someone called in on you. OK well thats just like me carrying my firearm. Just because Jon Doe is scared dosnt mean my activity is illegal and if I'm not being detained or arrested I'll be on my way. It just chaps my... But then again you have the cool ones who keep a open mind and end up asking for details on how they can convert. YOU WIN SOME YOU LOSE SOME

 

[Iffy]

Showing them respect, even if undeserved, can go a long way to easing their suspicion and hopefully keep you out of hand cuffs.

Ol' USAG (DOJ) Eric would be soooo proud of you!

If we are unwilling to state the truth how can we expect the opposition to do so.

Too bad ya didn't state this first and then follow your own recommendation!

Sure! But I hope they understand that I'm going to rake them over the coals afterward. It's only fair, he wrongfully raked me over them. Just returning the flavor.

Sorry BL, had to keep it ^^^ all e-cig related...

 

[chellemmm]

I am on the proverbial fence about this. OTOH, the OP should have done his mixing at home, and left the beer there, too. A LOT of people can't handle alcohol, especially on a Holiday, and with all of the kiddies around...National Parks are not your backyard. They belong to us all, even those who don't want to be around your beer or other alcohol. I don't think you should be drinking in a National Park, where it clearly is posted that it is NOT allowed.The fact is that there is a lot of ignorance as to what, exactly, we are vaping in our devices. I can understand how a concerned person might see someone drinking and then mixing up something "strange" and have HUGE concerns. Especially because children were around...

OTOH, the LEO was a bit rude. I am giving him some slack because it was Memorial Day, and I am sure he was extremely busy. He probably had a LOT of things to deal with. I am almost positive that "busting" a nicotine vaper was not on his agenda for the day.

 

[Snake973]

If I were OP, I would get a cheap video camera to keep around in case something like this happens again. I keep one in my car, but have never had to use it. I have had one encounter with the police about my PV, but he was understanding and just hadn't seen anything that didn't look like a Blu before.

 

[EddardinWinter]

Apparently you missed this.
<snip of material quoted from DIY liquid forum.>

Nope, I did not miss it. I may have misunderstood the OP. I assumed he was taking bottles of eliquid he had purchased from a vendor a reduced concentrations for use in the park. I assumed he was not using high-concentration nic juice to mix flavors and PG and VG into while he was in the park. This is why I stated that:

Nicotine cannot cause death when handled in the forms sold commercially by vendors unless ingested in large quantities.

The section you reference does not refer to containers of liquid sold by MOV, HHV, or Highbrow. OP, if I misunderstood and you were mixing nicotine in high concentrations, I accept the correction of JimzDogz. You should not mix this material in a public place, and the LEO was correct in stopping you. I stand by my comments that his conduct was unprofessional either way. He is not some Lord summoning a serf to his royal chamber, he is a public servant whose salary is paid by our taxes and should conduct himself as such at all times.

If you were mixing bottles of premixed juice ready for consumption as I presumed, then JimzDogz is quoting DIY material for an activity that is not applicable.

I am well aware of the dangers of handling the materials for e-liquid. That is why I happily purchase my liquids from professionals who mix it in a controlled environment.

 

[Butters78]

If I were OP, I would get a cheap video camera to keep around in case something like this happens again. I keep one in my car, but have never had to use it. I have had one encounter with the police about my PV, but he was understanding and just hadn't seen anything that didn't look like a Blu before.

 

[BigBaby]

I can't wait to have myself one of these altercations that people seem to be having lately with the law.

It is going to be a spectacle and cost the state of Georgia $2,500 worth of man hours for the 20 LEO's that end up on scene.

 

[chellemmm]

Overkill. Most LEOS just want to do the job and go home.

 

[BigBaby]

That is why when I refuse their request to seize and examine my mod they will most likely be hostile about it and try to intimidate me for a minute and then drop it and move on.

I appreciate and support law enforcement in almost every way. However, take it from someone with 2-3 or 10 guns in the truck every time I get stopped. Most LEO's will assume that you do not know your rights and will pressure you into giving up your rights without even knowing.

"welp, Im gonna need to take those back to my car and check them out"

A very common scenario relating guns to PV's

 

[chellemmm]

Your avi scares me. LOL

 

[wabbit]

I have vaped in National Parks and State Parks without any problems. I've been asked by rangers once or twice but without problem. Just in case I ever do, I have an article about vaping as a quit smoking method on my phone, and another article about how vaping equipment works. I haven't had to use it in a park, but I carry my old prescription card for nicotine inhalers that my doctor had me try before she suggested vaping.

Oh, and I leave the beer at home.

 

[ScottP]

You know the sad thing is a Park Ranger should appreciate the fact that you aren't going to be starting forest fires by careless vaping.