How are you preparing for the vapocalypse?

[Dioxyde]

Here in Oregon we have several bills that, if passed, would more or less make vaping illegal in its current form, and I know this isn't just happening here. I have to wonder how far they will be able to go with the bans and regulations, how "effective" they will be and how best to prepare for them. I think it's likely they will make high concentration nicotine solutions impossible to obtain for consumers, so at the least, it's probably a good call to stock up on unflavored nicotine, especially considering that whatever ejuice they do allow will no doubt be taxed to the point of being unaffordable.

The rest of their proposed bans would, in my mind (hopefully) be ineffectual in the long term. They want to ban flavored ejuice, but if the juice is zero nicotine, I don't see how they could get away with that since of course they can't ban PG, VG, or flavors, they just couldn't get away with that, yet, and the same goes for things like kanthal and cotton/rayon, too many uses outside of vaping.

They want to ban online sales from vape companies to our state which we all know would be a devastating blow to vapers. As for mechanical/regulated mods and other gear, what's to stop companies from selling them with a disclaimer that they are intended only for ornamental purposes, or for zero nic juice. What's to stop a vape shop from renaming itself "Functional Mechanical and Electronic Galleries" who operate on the assumption that people only use their products to vape zero nic juice.

It's insane to me that in a country that glorifies alcohol abuse, and has finally started to see the light on decriminalizing ........., that all this hysteria comes up about vaping, which is possibly the most benign chemical someone could enjoy (probably better for you than caffeine) and has given millions a way of breaking free from a habit that is far worse... you think the world is getting somewhere, but then something new comes out and the same old ignorance and fear rears its ugly head all over again, which is in turn milked by our politicians and backed by big tobacco, it all seems to be coming together for a perfect storm and it's not looking good in Oregon.

Your thoughts, what are you doing to prepare? What do you think is necessary?

 

[khalidmna]

perhaps an online petition would help

 

[klynnn]

You should be busy stocking up now. Most of us have been for quite awhile.

 

[Ou2mame]

There's nothing you can do to change the laws. That's the nature of big government. You get steamrolled and forgotten.

People asked for more laws, more regulations, we hired politicians who ran on the promise to take away the rights we didn't think we needed.. We supported the cigarette companies for years and now they are taking our money to lobby against us.. Its an ironic situation.

What can you do? Start making your item juice and stock up on supplies. You can't fight the government.

 

[Wissel Joe]

I started making my own juice stocking up on nicotine base now, if the bans get to bad i will vape 0 nicotine should still be able to get VG PG and flavoring no problem.

 

[Dioxyde]

You should be busy stocking up now. Most of us have been for quite awhile.

Oh I am believe me! Damn sometimes I feel guilty about just how much I spend on it, but then I remember how any day now this could all become impossible. My purpose in starting this thread was more a curiosity of just how effectively government will be able to ban and regulate items associated with vaping and to get other opinions. My opinion is that nicotine solutions and nicotine liquid is really the only "clear cut" thing they could "regulate" while everything else has plenty of loop hole potential.

EDIT: It just dawned on me that this is a good argument for owning mech's even if you prefer regulated mods. Sometimes I feel like I just collect mech mods and don't use them that much, but it's good to know that if a time comes when regulated mods are near impossible to get these things will still be working! What's government gonna ban next, batteries? Lol.

 

[Ryedan]

I take a two part approach to this. Part one is prevention. I support CASAA, I support everything I can online to support vaping anywhere in the world I think it may help and I have written to a bunch of politicians here in Canada lately basically letting them know how good vaping has been for me and that I do not support silly regulation (I do express that a bit better in my letters ) that would make it harder for people still smoking to switch to vaping.

Part two is self sufficiency. I'm quite comfortable with both mechanical and regulated mods (using them, maintaining them and building my own), rebuildable attys, wrapping coils, wicking them and making juice. I weaned myself off nic a couple of years back but I like some once in a while and though I've lost track of my stash lately, I probably have a ten year supply in my freezer in a few 50 ml glass bottles.

 

[Ryedan]

My purpose in starting this thread was more a curiosity of just how effectively government will be able to ban and regulate items associated with vaping and to get other opinions. My opinion is that nicotine solutions and nicotine liquid is really the only "clear cut" thing they could "regulate" while everything else has plenty of loop hole potential.

IMO, they can try to regulate anything, just look at how paraphernalia for other things are regulated to some extent. But IMO that would be much easier to get around than tight regulation of nicotine.

Things I'm not worried about ever being able to easily get are PG, VG, batteries, steel, brass, springs, switches and dc-dc power regulators. I wonder about safe flavorings suitable for vaping, but I think that can be managed.

Bottom line for me is definitely the nic.

 

[BigEgo]

I have an underground bunker (old nuclear missile silo) stocked with 55 gallon drums of PG/VG and nic solution. I also have lab equipment, gallons of flavoring, miles of kanthal wire, 100 lbs of Japanese cotton, as well as plenty of empty bottles. Oh and I have a few dozen 18650's and battery chargers ready to go (with numerous diesel generators and a solar panel battery system).

When the vapocalypse comes I will be ready. I will lock the door to keep the roaming nicotine zombies out.

And, yes, I agree that it is rather hypocritical that in the great northwest, the green weed is legal to buy, grow, sell and trade, but nicotine vapor could potentially be outlawed.

 

[Dioxyde]

Hahahahaha, thank you for that BigEgo. RyeDan it sounds like you got your head in the right place, myself and many others here in Oregon have taken part in talking to our representatives about these bills but they seem to have their own agenda despite the information we present.

 

[RamShot Rowdy]

I'm preparing in the same way others above stated. I now have three rebuildable atomizers and several high quality mech mods. I figure I can always get wire, batteries, and cotton, as they have too many uses to be outlawed. I just started DIY eliquid, and plan to stock up on supplies as I learn more.

 

[Richu75]

Well, here in the netherlands, we already have laws banning parts of vaping.

We cannot buy nicotine holding liquids in bottles containing more than 10 ml. And all clearomizers and rta's holding more than 2 ml are also banned. All in relation to public safety and health. Yeah right.

Big tobaco and pharma have been busy lobying.

Right now I have about 10 liters of 72 mg/ml base, which I dilute and flavour to 6 mg/ml liquid. I'll be alright for a while.

 

[Fuzzy Bruce]

I have four Reo Grands. These are almost bullet proof in their construction. Nine bottom fed atomizers, hundreds of feet of Kanthal, several liters of plain nic, plenty of Koh Gen Do and yards of Ready X. I am not a prepper, maybe just a cheap old Derelict and only hope there is never a true vapocalypse.

 

[Mailablemage]

Fellow Oregonian here. My solution. Have a PO box in Yreka or Redding California. Have my nic shipped there and drive it up. Easy peasy

 

[Bunnykiller]

Society always needs a witch hunt..... be it witches, communism, cigarettes, vaping....

 

[Zakillah]

Well, here in the netherlands, we already have laws banning parts of vaping.

We cannot buy nicotine holding liquids in bottles containing more than 10 ml. And all clearomizers and rta's holding more than 2 ml are also banned. All in relation to public safety and health. Yeah right.

Yeah, and next year all of Europe will have those stupid rules, urgh.
Here in Austria, the regulations will start this October, so I'll stock up some more until then. Right now I have 4L of 72mg juice and I'll get at least 2 more, plus 5 more rebuildables.

 

[englishmick]

Here in Oregon we have several bills that, if passed, would more or less make vaping illegal in its current form, and I know this isn't just happening here. I have to wonder how far they will be able to go with the bans and regulations, how "effective" they will be and how best to prepare for them. I think it's likely they will make high concentration nicotine solutions impossible to obtain for consumers, so at the least, it's probably a good call to stock up on unflavored nicotine, especially considering that whatever ejuice they do allow will no doubt be taxed to the point of being unaffordable.

Sounds like Oregon is going the same way as Indiana.

I've got plenty of nic put away. I'm old enough that it I don't need all that much. Worrying about the hardware though. I've got a box full of PT2's and mini's. I'm planning to get some spare glass and rings. Also going to stock up on Kanger heads. You can get bulk bare heads pretty cheap, and bags of insulators and sleeves.

I have Lemo. Maybe I'll get spare glass and so forth for that, and maybe a couple of spares.

I'm more worried about the power units. No idea how long regulated mods will last. And buying a dozen Sig 30W boxes just in case would be expensive. Seems like a mech mod might be a good investment. They do say Provaris last a long time, but you could get half a dozen Sig's for the price of a Provari.

I'm really hoping that a few States will resist the wave. As long as it's still going somewhere there's hope for vaping in the long term.

So I'll be OK unless I live to be 100.

And don't forget to write those letters.

 

[plehem12]

Well from 14 to 21 (and occasionally beyond) accessing the black market has never been a problem so I see no reason to freak out now. Just instead of happy pineapple explosion flavor I'll be vaping OG Newport {MODERATED} mixed in some low class apartment living room by a mischievous 15 year old {MODERATED}. Whatever bro just gimme a dub bottle.

 

[tj99959]

When I started vaping (2011) the FDA-njoy lawsuit was still undecided, and customs was seizing shipments. So IMO it was prudent to at least learn how to become "self reliant" even back then. That meant learning how to make my own mods & atomizers, and DIY my own liquids.
4 years later we are still no better off, and the end of Vaping is still looming over our heads. However now mechanical mods & RBAs are a dime a dozen, and nic base is still only about $10/100ml. So there are no valid excuses for not having a well stocked Zombie box.

If push came to shove, I could easily continue vaping for the rest of my life without ever buying a thing. I already have everything I will ever need.

However I can see the headlines now "DEA arrest man with DANGEROUS nicotine stored in his freezer"

 

[plehem12]

In all seriousness, everyone here worries too much. Yes, it's complete BS they want to ban yet another thing we love that hurts no one but ourselves. However, everyone knows that as long as there is a demand there will be a supply. I've been off the drugs for a while, but for comparison purposes, I've bought very very illegal substances off of ebay on a number of occasions. You can get anything you want on the internet regardless of legal status almost effortlessly. You shouldn't have to go that route, and I applaud those who fight the good fight, just like I do myself, just know that when there's a will there's a way. Just because Uncle Sam or whatever government mascot you fall under says no, that doesn't mean it's the end. It just means it's different. Everything changes. It's going to be ok. I promise.