How are you preparing for the vapocalypse?
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This is a point that I think most people do not even consider. Once regulated and taxed, limits on max nic levels, container sizes, delivery container sizes, could be set. Personal consumption quantities can then be set. Large volumes of nicotine base could become illegal to possess and/or become considered contraband without a proper tax stamp.
Trying to be optimistic here, but you never know, DIY could be turned into a 'Roll-Your-Own' product/industry. I think (or would like to hope) that we have a little bit of time before {MODERATED}.
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That's true. The FDA has now jumped through their hoops, and will be announcing the finalized Deeming Regulations soon. After that we will have a set time frame before they take effect.
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As usual, it comes down to money. Spend it now on stocking up supplies or spend it later to buy high priced supplies. Either way, you may also need a lot of money to pay fines for having stocked up supplies or buying illegal stuff. Or, if we are lucky, things will stay the same except for the exorbitant taxes placed on vape gear and supplies.
But isn't it comforting to know there are others who care and are looking out for our safety and well being?
But isn't it comforting to know there are others who care and are looking out for our safety and well being?
We do fight the government everyday, and have had some wins on local levels. Laws can be changed, but people have to be willing to fight and to know we will have some losses .
Yeah, but TJ how often have we heard that they will be announcing their deeming regs, in just the 3 years I been vaping it seems like every year there is a new date. It comes, it goes and we are still waiting. I know you been vaping even longer so have seen it a ton more times than I have.
They already have announced their "proposed" Deeming Regulations. They then had a set number of hoops to jump through. They are right now finishing that up. (but notice that I didn't put a specific date on "soon")
If you drop to zero nic you can buy VG and PG through walmart even. Also they can ban flavoring just DIY. If you have friends out of state or better yet country see if the would be willing to have your vape mail shipped to them then pay them to ship it to you.
They will never ban possession of large amounts of tobacco.
Ever.
There is a $200B + a year industry that will not allow that to happen.
Sales, maybe. Possession? Never.
It would affect the cigarette industry too much.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the way I will be preparing for the vapocalypse is not through the stock piling of nicotine but through the stock piling of arms. Me and my merry band of Vapirates will be cruising the war torn highways of america Mad Max style with our heavily armed and armoured super tanker trucks pillaging liquid nicotine, VG and flavoring from you dear friends - the Horders. You'll awaken to the sounds of cannon fire and war cries as we blow a hole in the sides of your dwellings, stripping you of all your vaping supplies (which will later be sold back to you at and amazingly high price through various underworld channels). When all is done, we will disappear into the night in a dense fog smelling of caribbean rum!
Well this thread is depressing: sorry to hear your sad news Oregon vapours.
All these bans and stopping a revaluation for a good thing saddens me and I’m not even from the US.
And the replies to this thread aren’t sounding very much like anyones willing to fight for it, proposed bills is what the OP said and yeah be ready if worst comes to the worst, but stocking up seems to be everyone’s plan A.
That should be plan B: plan A should be fight like a wild bear that’s been poked with a stick against this kind of thing.
You might loose and the bill might happen, but if you put up a good fight then at least you tried.
All these bans and stopping a revaluation for a good thing saddens me and I’m not even from the US.
And the replies to this thread aren’t sounding very much like anyones willing to fight for it, proposed bills is what the OP said and yeah be ready if worst comes to the worst, but stocking up seems to be everyone’s plan A.
That should be plan B: plan A should be fight like a wild bear that’s been poked with a stick against this kind of thing.
You might loose and the bill might happen, but if you put up a good fight then at least you tried.
Yea, fight is good. But what if I do not want to see non-smokers converting to vapers en masse?
I have stockpiled nic, enough for me for 10-15 years (I am already not a heavy user). In 15 years I may want to quit vaping, who knows...
I have stockpiled nic, enough for me for 10-15 years (I am already not a heavy user). In 15 years I may want to quit vaping, who knows...
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I have a 6-8 year supply of nic. I have it meticulously stored in an icebox. My consumption of nic keeps decreasing so it may be a lifetime supply for all I know. I haven't bought premix in months and may never do it again so I'm not worried about juice either way.
If the hammer gets assigned a specific drop date I'll just do a big order of hardware to add onto the pile I already have.
IMO- this industry is ripe for deregulation down the line. The real irony is the push for legal rec green stuff across the country is meeting more support than resistance but benign in comparison vaping is getting its face punched. It's a big bag of ....
If the hammer gets assigned a specific drop date I'll just do a big order of hardware to add onto the pile I already have.
IMO- this industry is ripe for deregulation down the line. The real irony is the push for legal rec green stuff across the country is meeting more support than resistance but benign in comparison vaping is getting its face punched. It's a big bag of ....
Isn't smoking (OTHER STUFF) legal in Oregon?
And theyre worried about vapers?
And theyre worried about vapers?
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My answer is complicated...
First of all, I vape on 650 mAh Ego Twists while dripping on Joyetech 510 atomizers.
So I have stocked up on enough 510 atomizers to last for well over 10 years.
And I have enough nicotine solution to last me well over 10 years as well.
But if I lose my variable voltage device options through regulation, I'll have a problem.
I can no longer use my 510 atomizers without variable voltage.
If regulations come out that look ugly for devices, then I'll have to readjust...
I'll have to buy a bunch of Mini Reos.
And I'll have to buy a bunch of rebuildable atomizers.
And I'll have to learn to build coils.
Which I hope it never comes to.
If regulations come out looking ugly for bottled liquids, I'll have to start making my own.
Which I hope it never comes to.
Although if making my own seems too much of a bother, I feel that unflavored will work fine for me.
I like it simple and small.
And making it simpler and smaller has always been my primary goal.
First of all, I vape on 650 mAh Ego Twists while dripping on Joyetech 510 atomizers.
So I have stocked up on enough 510 atomizers to last for well over 10 years.
And I have enough nicotine solution to last me well over 10 years as well.
But if I lose my variable voltage device options through regulation, I'll have a problem.
I can no longer use my 510 atomizers without variable voltage.
If regulations come out that look ugly for devices, then I'll have to readjust...
I'll have to buy a bunch of Mini Reos.
And I'll have to buy a bunch of rebuildable atomizers.
And I'll have to learn to build coils.
Which I hope it never comes to.
If regulations come out looking ugly for bottled liquids, I'll have to start making my own.
Which I hope it never comes to.
Although if making my own seems too much of a bother, I feel that unflavored will work fine for me.
I like it simple and small.
And making it simpler and smaller has always been my primary goal.
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You know, you don't HAVE to use a rebuildable atomizer with a REO. The atomizer just needs to have an open bottom so eliquid can go up through the bottom to saturate the coil.
I agree though that I hope people aren't forced into having to make those changes.
....but I still think you should get a REO just because they're awesome.
You almost have to use a rebuildable if you want to vary the power.
And that's why I am using variable voltage right now.
I had a Mini Reo, but the old kind before you could put a good rebuildable on it.....but I still think you should get a REO just because they're awesome.
I gave it away because I got into variable voltage and can't go back.
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Never say never, and besides, I was talking about nicotine base, not tobacco.
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