How long do attys generally last you?

[Vaporologist]

I'm more in the non-stop pacifier vaping type camp... lots of vaping with low nic levels.

I have no intention to compromise on how much I vape or the quality of the vape to achieve longer lasting atties. Just looking for simple changes or adjustments I can make to get atties to perform well for longer. As an atty starts to go bad, the quality of the vape goes down quite a bit and can too quickly get to that frustratingly bad point. I'd like to push that point off as much as I can w/o compromising. Understanding why they go bad to start with should help figure out what those simple adjustments could be.

Pulsing the button for example. To start with, LR atties provide an excess of power to produce good vapor. Even after performance degrades a little (thru the break-in period), there's still an excess of power to produce good vapor. (In comparison, vapor production on std resistance attys gets too weak too fast quickly falling into that frustratingly bad zone). Pulsing the switch is a simple enough of a measure for me to do if that doubles or triples how long the atty lasts. I can do that w/o compromising anything about the experience.

The art of vaping

Hey VM,

I totally agree with your reasoning. If atties will last longer by being broken in properly or by getting a simple daily/weekly cleaning and maintenance, I am all for it, and I do take care of my atties well. My main point was that I simply don't want to have to worry about my vaping habbits all day long. Kind of like driving a car and having my eyes glued to the rpm gauge instead of enjoying the scenery. Obviously, after vaping for over 5 months, I don't need to look at the "rpm gauge" as most experienced vapers don't.

 

[VaporMadness]

Hey VM,

I totally agree with your reasoning. If atties will last longer by being broken in properly or by getting a simple daily/weekly cleaning and maintenance, I am all for it, and I do take care of my atties well. My main point was that I simply don't want to have to worry about my vaping habbits all day long. Kind of like driving a car and having my eyes glued to the rpm gauge instead of enjoying the scenery. Obviously, after vaping for over 5 months, I don't need to look at the "rpm gauge" as most experienced vapers don't.

Understood. I'm still figuring out what over-revving an atty is. I don't look at the tach on my car all the time... but i don't drive on the freeway in second gear either So long as I know what pitfalls to avoid, it will become an unconscious effort to avoid them. I think I've really been doing damage to my 510 attys without even knowing it up till very recently.

 

[Vaporologist]

...I think I've really been doing damage to my 510 attys without even knowing it up till very recently.

Why do you say that? What has happened to make you think or know that you've been doing damage? Just curious.

 

[VaporMadness]

Why do you say that? What has happened to make you think or know that you've been doing damage? Just curious.

Because they (the 510s) really haven't been lasting very long for me. My 510s have generally only lasted me about a week or so. Given what others have said about how long they can last... now I think I've been doing something wrong... and I think that error has been sorely over heating them.

This is why I started this thread... the 510s seemed to not last as long for me. I didn't know if it was the way 510s were or something I was doing. Now I know its something I was doing

I have 3 unused 2.0 ohm attys on the shelf (2 510s and a BE112), I'll see how it goes with those given my newfound understanding/theory of what makes attys go bad. But the LR801 that I have been using for the past 2 weeks while coming to that understanding shows no sign of giving up anytime soon (which makes me think I'm on the right track), so it might be a while till I have to crack open a new atty.

 

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Because they (the 510s) really haven't been lasting very long for me. My 510s have generally only lasted me about a week or so. Given what others have said about how long they can last... now I think I've been doing something wrong... and I think that error has been sorely over heating them.

In the world of attys, the regualr JoyE 510 should be treated as an LR atty for all intent and purpose. When that bad boy came out at 2.2Ohm it was indeed a LR atty when compared to the 3-3.5Ohm attys out at the time.

Outside of my 2 part sysytem, the 510 was my first 3 part ecig. Wow, it kickes like a mule and I learned that a 2-3 sec hit was more than sufficient to do the job, and it mimicked cigarettes. How many folks took 5-7 second drags on a cig, let alone 10 seconds like some folks. Remember the cut offs in batts? 7 seconds hummmmmmm. In 2 part systems if you reach the cut off, often taking another drag would cut out the battery earlier (less then 7 seconds). Would the latter be induced by the atty being hot and drawing too much current? I believe so. The PCB would protect the longevity of the battery/atty. All this stuff is in the user's manual.

This is why I started this thread... the 510s seemed to not last as long for me. I didn't know if it was the way 510s were or something I was doing. Now I know its something I was doing

Partially answered above +

What I have noticed is that the 302s, 801s and 901s run cooler. Mathematically it can be proven. Physically the coil wire is either thicker or longer in order to provide a higher resistance. This also translates to the coil requiring extra current to properly heat up.

I hate the 901. I find it too finicky. One thing I have noticed is that it takes a sec or 2 to properly energise the coil, resulting in a longer hit durations. The wire of these attys is also thicker, capable of withstanding the longer hits. For vapor production the 901 requires a deeper draw compared to a 510 (read suck harder, still slow and easy, but harder). I further believe that is why the 510 is so popular, it is the only atty that mimicks true "smoking" in my opinion.

All higher resistance attys suck at 3.7V, that is probably why folks went to HV. (I have found a new love for my 901s and 801s it's called 5-6V, with carts (the 901 anyway, because the 801 doesn't wick properly, and is better suited for dripping. That is why the 801 is the atty of choice for drippers. Less flooding, a flavourful vape when compared to a hot harsh vape of the 510). Yup! you heard it here first and you heard me right, HV is possible with carts.

I have 3 unused 2.0 ohm attys on the shelf (2 510s and a BE112), I'll see how it goes with those given my new found understanding/theory of what makes attys go bad. But the LR801 that I have been using for the past 2 weeks while coming to that understanding shows no sign of giving up any time soon (which makes me think I'm on the right track), so it might be a while till I have to crack open a new atty.

... are you sure your BE112 clocks in at 2Ohms? Not having a BE112 I can't say, but believe that baby should clock somewhere in the vicinity of 3-3.5Ohms, or else we wouldn't be seing the positive comments we have from HV drippers

 

[aspen]

Quote: "I hate the 901. I find it too finicky. One thing I have noticed is that it takes a sec or 2 to properly energise the coil, resulting in a longer hit durations. The wire of these attys is also thicker, capable of withstanding the longer hits. For vapor production the 901 requires a deeper draw compared to a 510 (read suck harder, still slow and easy, but harder). I further believe that is why the 510 is so popular, it is the only atty that mimicks true "smoking" in my opinion."

I agree these things run cooler and are finnicky. They flood easily and just quit working with absolutely no notice. The 901 does provide a more flavorful vape verses the 510, prolly due to heat exchange. I enjoy the 901 when I have relaxed time to sit and enjoy but when on the run or working the 510 has the quick shot just like a stinky used to do. This would have an effect on the discussion of how long do your atty's last. Although you can get a atomiser to fire for lets say 6 weeks a flavor vaper may discard the atty only after 4 weeks if flavor is diminishing. I think there is flavor vapers and then there is throat hit vapers, two different beasts.

 

[VaporMadness]

Now that the 510 no longer has a monopoly on LR performance, the game has changed some.

What I have noticed is that the 302s, 801s and 901s run cooler.

The larger canister, particularly in the penstyles, makes for a larger heat sink too, so less heat is trapped in the mesh and cooking the liquid in there. This might aid in atty longevity.

I further believe that is why the 510 is so popular, it is the only atty that mimicks true "smoking" in my opinion.

Yup. The LR nature of the original 510 seems most responsible for its popularity over the others.

... are you sure your BE112 clocks in at 2Ohms?

Yes, it's an LR BE112. I won't be bothering with std resistance attys at 3.7v anymore (with the possible exception of the 510).

I think there is flavor vapers and then there is throat hit vapers, two different beasts.

I'm looking for short powerful hits myself. But given a choice of more or less flavor delivered in short powerful hits, I'll go with more. So I guess I have one foot in each camp and its a matter of which criteria is more important. And then if two attys both provide short, powerful, flavorful hits... I'll take the one that last 4 weeks over the one that lasts 2 weeks

 

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Now that the 510 no longer has a monopoly on LR performance, the game has changed some.

Absolutely true, but, and yes there is always a but I have some 801s LR coming and you know I'll post my findings. I also have some 510 2Ohm that I intend for the eGo. Not fussy on the 1.5s

The larger canister, particularly in the penstyles, makes for a larger heat sink too, so less heat is trapped in the mesh and cooking the liquid in there.

Not entirely sure where you are going with that one? but I am sure I will...

Yes, it's an LR BE112. I won't be bothering with std resistance attys at 3.7v anymore (with the possible exception of the 510).

I'm looking forward to your comparison against the SLB.

I'm looking for short powerful hits myself. But given a choice of more or less flavor delivered in short powerful hits, I'll go with more. So I guess I have one foot in each camp and its a matter of which criteria is more important.

Yup! Once upon a time I believed in the 510 during the day and a 302 or 801 at night. I still do.

 

[aspen]

Seems like never ending nuances with atomisers. Keeps us all entertained anyway and also learn others tips and mistakes along the way. With all of these posts I can't help but think its a great discussion and read for those who don't post.
Thanks to all of you for sharing.

 

[Switched]

Seems like never ending nuances with atomisers. Keeps us all entertained anyway and also learn others tips and mistakes along the way. With all of these posts I can't help but think its a great discussion and read for those who don't post.
Thanks to all of you for sharing.

But unlike cigarettes we can change brands when we get bored with the taste.

 

[transmothra]

I hate to dig up a month-dead thread, even if it's still a fairly fresh corpse, but i just had to say thank you to everyone who posted on this topic. One of the best reads ever, at least in the non-fiction category.

 

[Switched]

^^ Thanks mate!

I was never a fan of the 901, more specifically the RN4075, for previously stated reasons until recently. I was gifted an SLB HV 901 @ 5.2Ohms. There is another one listed on the site as 5.2 but for XHV. I am not sure of the delta, but since I am using it at 6V the latter is a pretty moot point.

I always wanted to try the 901 as folks who like 'em, like 'em allot. So when I ordered my SD, I ordered one with a native 901 connection. I liked the unit but did not like the attys. The problem got compounded by being disted by the vendor of being a neophyte that didn't know how to vape (ECF affiliation). The statement was partially true, yes I was new to the 901 but not to vaping. Nonetheless, I did not like the RN4075, even after several attempts to learn/master the beast. IMHO they do not wick worth a damn and are even less drip friendly.

Isaac tossed one in with my order to try out. Wow! I found a new love. I do not know what Isaac and his mfr have done, but the HV 901 totally rocks. Folks that have followed my posts know I give it straight, and shoot from the hip. Some posts seem controversial and are met that way as well (good, I am doing a good job LOL) no fanfare coming from this dude. It either performs or it doesn't. The SLB 901 provides great "cool" flavour and VP with a reasonable TH.

Isaac's entire line of SLBs are top performers, right down to his SLB 510 cartos. No I am not a "fanboy", he has done his homework and as many others have attested, his goods are that good. That being said...

As I am not a fan of low resistance perse, I am not too fussy with the performance of the LR801 shorty. Now to some this might seem controversial, but it is not intended that way. It's a great atty, just not for me. What do I ilke about the atty? The aesthetics. Many also drooled over the shorty at a recent meet. I would like to see these developed into regular resistance attys and I would be all over them like a dirty shirt.

In closing, the entire SLB line is probably the finest product out there and priced reasonably as well. I have been dripping this atty going on a month and there is no sign of it letting up any time soon. Wy I am not fond of LR...

Too much heat = loss of flavour...

It produces great vapour and TH, but that is not what "I" am after. The LR was introduced to provide those who do not wish to vape at HV a means to experience HV with a 3.7V setup. HV is more than that IMHO. Finding the sweet spot is key, hence the variable voltage devices out there, or is it?

Tuning your system with the proper atty/voltage combination will get you there, which IMHO cannot be solely achieved with a single item. The variety of attys and resistance provided by IkenVape's SLB line, will ensure you experience nirvana even for the most finicky vapers out there, for which I am one off.

... that being said, the 2Ohm 510 rocks on the eGo, which I surmised before purchasing them. I had one that was a tad tight, but the rest are of the same quality I have come to expect from this particular line. The 2Ohm at 3.7V, not for me for previously stated reasons, but at a modulated 3.1-2V

 

[TunnelVision]

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When Isaac resupplys his IKV XHV 901. You should really give those a try. I think you'll find a new/newer love. While I haven't tried Isaac's XHV 901's. I have used another vendor's XHV 901. They give the greatest TH (which is what I crave) and tons of vapor. I can honsetly say that there is a difference between Isaac's IKV HV 901's and others I have tried. I really can't wait for Isaac to get more XHV 901's back in. I can't wait to try them out. He mentioned in another thread that he was meeting with his favorite engineer. Hopefully it won't be too long of a wait.
Vape On.....

 

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TV,

I guess it depends at what voltage you are vaping at and the amount of heat you seek. The HVs are designed for 6-7.2V whilst the XHV are designed for 7.4-8.4V.

I prefer to vape at 8-9 watts, and 6V

 

[TunnelVision]

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Your right,
I forgot to add that i'm vaping at 7.4 volts on the XHV 901 attys on a GGTS.
I belive the HV-901's are rate for 5-6V and the XHV-901's are rated for 7.4-8V.
It's surprising what a difference a volt or 2 makes.
Vape On.....

 

[Switched]

Don't get me wrong. I intend to give the XHV a whirl because both Ikes HV and XHV have the same Ohm rating of 5.2. Isaac has gone into detail wrt the difference. He uses voltage under load whilst I use watts.

That being said, I do not understand the figures because P=V2 / R That being said... an atty with the same resistance should produce identical results. That's where I am confused.

 

[Vaporologist]

According to Isaac's previous statements, there is more to what he does than adjusting the resistance which provides different results under the same ohm rating.

 

[Switched]

According to Isaac's previous statements, there is more to what he does than adjusting the resistance which provides different results under the same ohm rating.

so what you are saying is that I don't need an XHV since I dont' vape at 7.4V, correct?

 

[Vaporologist]

All I know is that both 5.2 901 used to say XHV yet one was recommended for 6V while the other one was for 7.4 according to Isaac. I don't know all the details but I believe that while the resistance is the same in both, the rest of the atty on one of them is not fine-tunned for 7.4V.

 

[Switched]

Pretty much what I surmised as well. Maybe Isaac can shed some light on the subject without going into trade secrets.