I'm having trouble seeing why it wouldn't be 5 of 25 instead of 2.
How long have you hardcore vapers been planning for the "Vapeocalypse"?
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I'm having trouble seeing why it wouldn't be 5 of 25 instead of 2.
If you're quite sure of that, then it seems to me that purging the headspace with argon would be a *really good* thing to do, no?
So you modeled this? I don't mean to sound like I'm giving you the third degree, but such a model would be really interesting to play with!
What assumptions did you make about the volume of head-space and the amount of oxygen dissolved in the PG?
How much of the total oxygen that the bottle started with was left after 6 years and 50 years?
What happens if you run the model with zero head space (or at least zero oxygen in the headspace)?
How much difference is there between -60*C (which requires a rather expensive and power-hungry two-stage freezer) and the -20*C that a more conventional single-stage freezer is capable of?
Why would you agitate nicotine? Eliminate as much air as possible, air contains about 28% oxygen. Don't freeze mixed juice, just the nico. See above posts about inert gases as an o2 barrier..
I'm don't see that as terribly likely. I don't think current law gives the FDA or any other federal agency the authority to ban possession of a tobacco product, particularly not one that was purchased for personal use prior to any regulation thereof having been in effect. So for this to happen on the Federal level would require a new law (i.e. an act of Congress) and I doubt Congress cares enough about the few thousand hard-core vapers like us who've stocked up. We're not a significant factor in the overall scheme of things.We might have to stop talking about our nicotine stashes too. Maybe we could talk about "hand lotion" and sneak under the radar.
We can also look to history as a guide. During Prohibition it was perfectly legal to keep and consume any alcohol that had been purchased prior to the Volstead Act coming into effect.
Of course individual States or municipalities could pass such laws as well, but I doubt they have the resources to pursue chatter on the internet.
Always shake stored nic base before use to avoid "hot spots". I find adding a ball bearing to a full bottle aids in mixing. Very usefull when pulling a bottle thats been in the bottom of the freezer for 2+ years.
Nicotine PG vs VG base
From my understanding when ever I use the nic, it needs to be mixed because of the nic separating and settling. I dilute mine from 100pg 100 mg down to 70pg 30vg 36 mg as it is easier for mixing final bottles weather it be 70pg 30vg 24 mg or 30pg 70vg 6 mg. I only mix mine down because of 2 reasons. 1.) ease of mixing between the spectrums high pg or high vg. 2.) I have kids in the house so diluting down to 36 mg eases my mind a little better. Do you not mix yours?
Basically, I have been stocking up ever since it occurred to me the idiots might actually try it. They never learn. Prohibition didn't work. The War on Drugs isn't working no matter how much money they throw at it. Prohibitory laws don't work. This won't work either. But it will be inconvenient, so I am stocking up. I don't foresee any real challenges, frankly. All they can really do is create a black market. Variable wattage chips and TC chips require some serious electronic know-how to manufacture, but Mech, MOSFET and VV mods can be built by nearly anybody with hand tools and a soldering iron. Atomizers are a bit more problematic, but you can buy a small CNC lathe for about $5000, and a couple tons of 304 stainless round bar for less, and churn out thousands a week in your garage. Mods and atomizers ordered from outside the country don't have a huge probability of being intercepted by customs. A quick trip over the border and you can buy a quart of e-juice and fill a clean shampoo bottle with it and bring it back in your luggage. Batteries (they're not really necessary, you could build a mod that plugs into the wall or a car lighter plug), PG, VG, metallic resistance wire, cotton balls and flavor molecules will not be regulated. Nicotine will be harder to come by, but it has other uses besides vaping. It is, for example, useful as an insecticide and a fertilizer for flowering plants. It can also be smuggled into the country from smarter jurisdictions. A 1-gallon plastic bottle of glacial nic would make a lot of e-juice, and is neither large nor heavy. They're going to mess with a lot of lives to no purpose, and it will be annoying and inconvenient. It will not stop vaping.
And DO let it come up to room temp before opening. Avoid any chance of condensation.
It occurs to me that there are systems using a hand pump for drawing a vacuum in a wine bottle, with a special rubber cork to hold it. You could decant the juice into clean wine bottles and use that. Something similar could be done for the headspace in nic/pg/vg storage bottles as well, or simply put the open bottles and some polycone caps in a glove box, evacuate it, and close them inside. A heat shrink neck seal could then be applied. Or simply store it in collapsible plastic bottles and squeeze the air out before capping.Yep, that should help, but it doesn't totally eliminate oxidation because there's going to be some oxygen already dissolved in the PG or VG base. I do buy all my long-term nic argon-purged though.
The "wine preserver" has you can buy on Amazon is not straight argon; it's a mixture of gasses, probably including nitrogen and carbon dioxide. And by no means will one can last forever; those flimsy cans are simply incapable of holding much pressure and therefore don't contain a whole lot of gas. I went through an entire can rebottling four gallons of VG and PG into quart sized amber boston rounds.
Yes, kids, I have a doomsday stash of VG and PG.
I have not been planning for Vapeocalypse. There will be plenty of time to purchase additional nic before any regulations go into effect. PG/VG/flavorings will always be available.
Are you certain about 28% oxygen in the atmosphere? I think that may be 8% high.
28% is about right for wet air at sea level. Dry air (medical) has 21%.
Because the reaction rate is logarithmic not linear.
Filling with argon won't hurt but the diference will be small.If you're quite sure of that, then it seems to me that purging the headspace with argon would be a *really good* thing to do, no?
So you modeled this? I don't mean to sound like I'm giving you the third degree, but such a model would be really interesting to play with!
What assumptions did you make about the volume of head-space and the amount of oxygen dissolved in the PG?
How much of the total oxygen that the bottle started with was left after 6 years and 50 years?
What happens if you run the model with zero head space (or at least zero oxygen in the headspace)?
How much difference is there between -60*C (which requires a rather expensive and power-hungry two-stage freezer) and the -20*C that a more conventional single-stage freezer is capable of?
I'll look for my notes on that model.
Actually, nic is miscible in PG and VG, so it should not separate during storage. But it will not hurt to shake a bottle.
I can kinda understand that but it shows how terrible this world is these days. The truth about do it yourself...
1. Making ejuice is easier then baking a cake.
2. Making a simple coil is easier then installing a interior doorknob.
Laziness is the only excuse. If it's truly "beyond your science" to make ejuice or a coil then I have no idea how you survive in the real world. It's almost mind boggling.
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5 VW mods, total $121.
4 RTA, total $82
Spare parts ($10?)
Please do not be condescending to those who for whatever reason they cannot do what you, in fact, can do. Have you thought that there may be people that have physical disabilities that do not allow for building coils or any part of DIY? If a person shakes uncontrollably, are they to keep suffering because they cannot place a coil on a rebuildable? Those are some tiny areas to be working in.
Laziness does not always have to do with it. Some people are just not suited to DIY. Just as some people can cook and others cannot. We all have our areas where we excel or are even competent and other areas that we just suck.
As far as installing an interior doorknob...... yeah, that's easy if everything lines up exactly correctly.
Not counting for settling of a house and not having the tools needed. Some people are carpenters or handymen/women. Others are better at figures.This. To build a coil, I require a 4" freestanding magnifying glass, a pair of magnifying glasses over the top of my regular glasses (already bifocals themselves), and two light sources to render the area bright enough and magnified enough for me to see the wires. A 10X jeweler's loupe would be better, but can't be worn over the glasses (and I can't wear contacts).
DIY is easy for me, but rebuilding is difficult and I do it in large batches for that reason. Just a little worse in the vision department and I wouldn't be able to do it at all.
For anybody with a Parkinson's-like disease, both would be impossible.
Since my husband passed away i have learned there are a lot of things i thought were easy but found out differently now that i have to do them. I had to replace a doorknob that just feel off a couple months ago...my son in law had to come over and help me as i ran into all kinds of problems i would have never foreseen or a clue as to how to work around.
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