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Absolutely agree. Malty Toffee dripped tastes much different than Malty Toffee in another format. I stick with dripping MT to get the best flavor.

But, Vanilla Bean tastes better in the Iaitty. I'll just enjoy and let the smarter folks than me figure out why.

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I am LOVIN' this setup with Vanilla Bean.

I was trying to figure out why I have different taste on the atomizers. Ok, we have the material, the wick, the wire and the air that hits wick. The material has no role because if it plays a role thats not good. The wick plays a role for sure. The wire doesnt play a role because if it plays a role thats not good too. The air plays a role but on how big or small the taste is, so it doesnt change the taste only increase or discrease it. The result is that the only that changes the taste is the wick.

But........ I tried different atomizers with the same wick, same wire, different air pass, different material and the taste was different!! So if the material doesnt play a role then its the air? Thats impossible.

If you figure out what is going on please tell me lol
 
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I was trying to figure out why I have different taste on the atomizers. Ok, we have the material, the wick, the wire and the air that hits wick. The material has no role because if it plays a role thats not good. The wick plays a role for sure. The wire doesnt play a role because if it plays a role thats not good too. The air plays a role but on how big or small the taste is, so it doesnt change the taste only increase or discrease it. The result is that the only that changes the taste is the wick.

But........ I tried different atomizers with the same wick, same wire, different air pass, different material and the taste was different!! So if the material doesnt play a role then its the air? Thats impossible.

If you figure out what is going on please tell me lol

Actually everything plays a role. Nichrome tastes different than kanthal (at least until they oxidize - kanthal a-1 alloy oxidizes faster than all of the other alloys and is the most durable), Stainless mesh tastes different than fiberlass or ceramic wick too (woven wicks can also clog faster if not used with enough coil heat).

The air plays a major role. Air flowing directly over the coil on the way to the mouthpiece increases flavor unless the flow is too much, then you get alot more vapor, but less flavor. Of course how much heat the coil produces changes how much air you need to flow over the coil as well. A cooler coil requires less air to get the same flavor and vapor than a hotter coil does. This is why high voltage vaping produces the big clouds, flavor and nicotine hit. But if you make your coil, airflow direction/volume and wicking capacity right, you can definitely get the same feel using 3.7 v but it's a little trickier because everything has to be just right.

This is the reason some people get rebuildable atties working great right away and also why some people get consistent results while others get a really good setup and then the next rebuild is not as good then a terrible one then a great one, etc. It takes some practice to get a "feel" for it and to be able to just whip up coils without using your ohm meter and calculator, but if we keep at it, in the end we can all develop the skills to quickly make a coil/wick combo that works for us in just about anything we can build or re-build. Some people don't like to do the practice part, but I really enjoyed it and am now reaping the benefits of freedom from China made vaping tools :).

You can make just about anything vape the way you want it to given enough tool time on it :vapor:

I hope this helps, I tried not to be too long-winded or technical in the explanation.
 

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Actually everything plays a role. Nichrome tastes different than kanthal (at least until they oxidize - kanthal a-1 alloy oxidizes faster than all of the other alloys and is the most durable), Stainless mesh tastes different than fiberlass or ceramic wick too (woven wicks can also clog faster if not used with enough coil heat).

The air plays a major role. Air flowing directly over the coil on the way to the mouthpiece increases flavor unless the flow is too much, then you get alot more vapor, but less flavor. Of course how much heat the coil produces changes how much air you need to flow over the coil as well. A cooler coil requires less air to get the same flavor and vapor than a hotter coil does. This is why high voltage vaping produces the big clouds, flavor and nicotine hit. But if you make your coil, airflow direction/volume and wicking capacity right, you can definitely get the same feel using 3.7 v but it's a little trickier because everything has to be just right.

This is the reason some people get rebuildable atties working great right away and also why some people get consistent results while others get a really good setup and then the next rebuild is not as good then a terrible one then a great one, etc. It takes some practice to get a "feel" for it and to be able to just whip up coils without using your ohm meter and calculator, but if we keep at it, in the end we can all develop the skills to quickly make a coil/wick combo that works for us in just about anything we can build or re-build. Some people don't like to do the practice part, but I really enjoyed it and am now reaping the benefits of freedom from China made vaping tools :).

You can make just about anything vape the way you want it to given enough tool time on it :vapor:

I hope this helps, I tried not to be too long-winded or technical in the explanation.

Archiving this for future reference as I build more attys
 

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Archiving this for future reference as I build more attys

Here's another bit of general knowledge that may help some of GG family members regarding wire gauge and resistance.

Thinner wire = more resistance. For example. If you use a 36ga resistance wire, to get to 1.2 - 1.6 ohms on an iAtty, you will only get 1 - 2 wraps. With 34 ga you will get 3-4 wraps and with 32 you will get 4-5. That said, they all have their uses.

High voltage vapers will find it easier to use 36ga because you can very easily get to 3 or 4 ohms without needing to really load up the number of coils needed.

The LR folks will like 34 and 32ga better because you can get those low ohm coils and still have a reasonable amount of play room to make the coil easy to make.

The 3.0v set will benefit greatly from the 32ga because you can get to really low resistances and still be able to make an easy coil because you can have more length to work with.

Happy Vaping :)
 

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Here's another bit of general knowledge that may help some of GG family members regarding wire gauge and resistance.

Thinner wire = more resistance. For example. If you use a 36ga resistance wire, to get to 1.2 - 1.6 ohms on an iAtty, you will only get 1 - 2 wraps. With 34 ga you will get 3-4 wraps and with 32 you will get 4-5. That said, they all have their uses.

High voltage vapers will find it easier to use 36ga because you can very easily get to 3 or 4 ohms without needing to really load up the number of coils needed.

The LR folks will like 34 and 32ga better because you can get those low ohm coils and still have a reasonable amount of play room to make the coil easy to make.

The 3.0v set will benefit greatly from the 32ga because you can get to really low resistances and still be able to make an easy coil because you can have more length to work with.

Happy Vaping :)

Ditto on the archive
 

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Just a bit of info for people, i have been using the same coil and wick in the iAtty for 8 days now, 40ml of juice put through it, absolutely no drop in performance so far and i have been hitting it hard

I will keep track of performance and juice throughput until it either pops or i notice a change in the vape
Impressed so far :)
 

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I've got it on a VV mod I made for it now and it's just fantastic (and my 1st attempt at building the atty is awful). Until I get more NR wire I didn't want to waste the build.

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It's the design that's doing it. The "chimney" feeding the mouthpiece is one feature that sets it apart. Holy Moly Guacamole I'm enjoying it.
 

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I agree, I think the airflow is a major factor. It's easy to forget, but really what we are dealing with in iAtty and UFS is that fluid dynamics is at work. Turbulence around the coil etc, also plays a factor. Form definitely affects function. It becomes quite a task to visualize the mixing of two fluids (air and vapor) in small confined spaces. :)
 

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Just a bit of info for people, i have been using the same coil and wick in the iAtty for 8 days now, 40ml of juice put through it, absolutely no drop in performance so far and i have been hitting it hard

I will keep track of performance and juice throughput until it either pops or i notice a change in the vape
Impressed so far :)

good!!:thumb::toast:
 

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My iatty's arrived yesterday, tried to make a 3.8 ohm for 6.4v vaping which didn't work out well, burnt taste and wick. Tried a 1.8 ohm this morning at 3.7v and it's vaping up a storm, as good as my ufs using vhv atties at 6.4v, I love it, great work Imeo :) Now I just need to source more wire and wick ;)
 

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Ok...got my O-rings per Repent's spec's and.....They fit perfectly! Spun up a new coil and....BLAMO...awesome! So far everything is great...I'll give some more feedback after i use it for a bit. But so far things are looking really good. Thank you again Repent....you may have saved the Iatty for me.

Imeo...so far thumbs up. :vapor::vapor:

Full report to come.
 

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Ok...got my O-rings per Repent's spec's and.....They fit perfectly! Spun up a new coil and....BLAMO...awesome! So far everything is great...I'll give some more feedback after i use it for a bit. But so far things are looking really good. Thank you again Repent....you may have saved the Iatty for me.

Imeo...so far thumbs up. :vapor::vapor:

Full report to come.

Glad to see you got it running. Welcome to iAttyville :)
 

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You definitely know what you are talking about atavanhalen. This is 100% normal. I have been using rebuildables for a long time with various wicking materials. The off taste you are referring to the resistance wire building up it's oxidation layer. Once the layer is built you will only get the residual taste from whatever wicking material you use + the taste of your juice. The fiberglass wick Imeo chose to send with the iAtty is a good one. It is surprisingly clean as far as coloring the taste of the juice.

The juices that don't get thrown off by the oxidation build up are usually the juices that burn extra clean and therefore tend to clean the coils as you use them (at least that is what my experience has been). Most everything else will taste funny for the first 20-30 drags if you have good wicking material, longer if your wick transfers flavors :)
Yah! I'm smart! just kidding, but that makes sense, I wish there was a way to know which flavors would mask that funky taste, the one that has done the best for me so far is VR kona cream so maybe I will try more from them. The posts you made about resistance wire and rebuildable atties were very informative and will help a lot of people.

One last question does anyone know a US supplier for the NR wire!!?
 

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Yah! I'm smart! just kidding, but that makes sense, I wish there was a way to know which flavors would mask that funky taste, the one that has done the best for me so far is VR kona cream so maybe I will try more from them. The posts you made about resistance wire and rebuildable atties were very informative and will help a lot of people.

One last question does anyone know a US supplier for the NR wire!!?

I have been using 30ga .999 pure fine silver as my NR wire and it works great :)

You can get it at 1/2oz (100') .999 US Fine Silver 30 Gauge Round DS Wire - eBay (item 400174020403 end time Aug-14-11 09:20:04 PDT)

It's 100ft so it should last a good long while and allow you lots of experimental coils. I prefer the silver to nickel because it has even lower electrical resistance and higher chemical resistance and will not leech into any of our juices.

It's a little more expensive, but it's peace of mind for me because the wife like cinnamon juices and those are very highly reactive, but don't bother the silver at all.
 

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I have been using 30ga .999 pure fine silver as my NR wire and it works great :)

You can get it at 1/2oz (100') .999 US Fine Silver 30 Gauge Round DS Wire - eBay (item 400174020403 end time Aug-14-11 09:20:04 PDT)

It's 100ft so it should last a good long while and allow you lots of experimental coils. I prefer the silver to nickel because it has even lower electrical resistance and higher chemical resistance and will not leech into any of our juices.

It's a little more expensive, but it's peace of mind for me because the wife like cinnamon juices and those are very highly reactive, but don't bother the silver at all.

Cool thanks lord. Do you use kanthol or nichrome and where do you get it and your wick?
 
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