Is mech/unregulated more enjoyable?

[Vapefiend]

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Well, you're right and you're wrong. First off, the German Shepherd was Hannah Belle Lechter....there's no such thing as more handsome. She was perfect.

This is Riley. She is a Shepherd/Lab mix that I felt obligated to rescue. She's growing up to be a fine frisbee dog but she's lacking in common sense. She'll fit right in.

I think we have the same couch lol

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

I understand where your coming from... but at the same time going off on all this in a thread none of your points apply to, does make it seem your anti - this person using a mech.

That said, these things can be learned. I'm NOT mechanically inclined.

The first time my car broke down and I couldn't afford a mechanic, I had to figure out what part might be broken, buy that part from the parts store and then use the new part to even find the part on my car to remove it and replace it.

It took me 5 hours to replace that part, and it was a starter... lol. All the guys in the neighborhood got out lawn chairs and the beer cooler and WATCHED me fix my car from the house across the street as if I was the television show of the day... I guess my attempt was comedic or something..

While successful, I was a bumbling idiot through it all. I am decidedly not mechanical.

ALSO, I didn't go into any of the STEM fields for good reason.. me, I'm all logic all the time and poor in the math and sciences..

Yet even I can learn all that is required to learn to operate a mech as safely as possible.

You cannot just blanket judge people, even people who are not normally mechanically inclined can manage to learn.

Ah.. yes, BUT...

With a car, unless you would have been playing with the battery/electrical system in such a way that you would have caused the battery to overload and blow, and that's quite different from playing with the engine parts... you can smash an engine with a 50 pound sledge hammer and aside breaking parts, it's not going to blow. One with zero skills could simply take an engine apart and fallow the instructions (or remember what he did and do it backwards) and put it back together... but if he was to put a wrench on the battery and connect both sides, I know that I wouldn't want to be within 100 feet from what can/will follow.

A mech mod is basically just a battery, a button and shell and your coil is basically a "fuse" that power passes through with a certain amount of resistance (not enough and you have a short). There's no multiple parts, nothing that is secondary, etc.

And one screw up and you have such a short and the battery will react quite fast to that.

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

For the car analogy, I'd go more with the person that thinks that they drive well because they passed the test.

Then on the road, they never use their signal lights, they cut others off, don't do their stops, and get uber offended when someone honks at them.

Then they get in an accident and when told that they caused it, they yell and scream, stomp their feet and refuse to accept that they did anything wrong. They'll blame the car, the other people, etc.

And when there's an incident about a mech mod exploding, you know what the person it happened to almost always say... it was the mod's fault, or the person that "showed it to them"..etc.

 

[Asbestos4004]

 

[Opinionated]

According to the government there were 195 separate incidents of explosion and fire between 2009 - 2016.

61 of those happened in-pocket (batteries and keys dont go together well, and neither does a fire button go well with pressure from sitting) and 48 while the battery was being charged while 18 while the device was in storage.

Now, we dont know how many of these incidents were due to mechanical mods, but that is 127 that mechanical mod safety can be ruled out for the most part... if you cant turn your mod off without taking the battery out then you should take the battery out before putting it in your pocket or storing it. that's basic common sense, yet many people don't even turn off their ego battery before throwing it into their pocket.

There were only 60 reported/known incidents of an explosion happening while the device is in use.

Again, not knowing how many incidents occured were from mechanical mod use and how many were from regulated mod use that is still not a lot of injuries for a 7 year period.

8.57 device in use injuries a year.
8.7 improper transport a year
6.8 improper or faulty charging a year
2.6 improper storage injuries annually.
Etc.

Those are good statistics for anything electronic, most especially when the numbers of people using homemade or modifies devices were rather high during some of those years as well as the lack of regulatory oversight for manufacturing to boot.

Only 38 of related injuries were listed as severe. These have been exceptionally good statistics... all things considered.

Even taking the single mechanical mod death into consideration, that would still be listed under improper storage.. as the man was sleeping when it exploded.

 

[Opinionated]

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Now I'll shut up.

 

[Asbestos4004]

Now I'll shut up.

I liked the car story.....

 

[Opinionated]

Nvm..

 

[stols001]

I'm not going to fight any mech wars, honestly. I have a couple and I just won one, and I plan to vape it.

Keep in mind I have followed the mech threads for a LONG time as I wanted to be safe, and hopefully any question I have left (which I will ask) will be non terror inducing and lethal questions. I doubt they will be though, I really kept after ohm's law until I GOT it (I am not mechanically minded at all, the first mech I got I bought for the husband I though he would enjoy the challenge, but he wound up starting with a Nautilus 2 like everyone else).

All I can say at this point is.. I doubt mechs are better or worse for ANYONE. It's a completely individual thing. I look forward to trying one.

And, I'm the type of person.... .I just got super pleased that I was able to pair my PHONE to my husband's blue tooth speakers without his AID. . I mean.... with mechs, I'm glad I did my homework, that's all.

I do think most people can find regulated devices they like AS WELL. I doubt I'd EVER take a mech out of the house, and I'm mainly saving mine (unless I find I adore using one, which is more than POSSIBLE) for the apocalypse and all that.

As long as you do your homework and are safe there is nothing wrong with trying a mech, because the only way to know if you'll prefer it is to TRY ONE.

That would involve NOT trying one with possible clone batteries (even from FRANCE) and etc.

When I say I did my homework, I read threads for MONTHS. Those who seemed to be successful listened, took the advice, and (IMHO) had a much less chance of blowing themselves up. I know there are older vapers who vape mechs with little incident, in all likelihood (I'd guess) they weren't dealing with the type of powerful batteries used today.

Also lots of folks first squonked on a mech mod and for the most part didn't have huge incidents. Etc.

Best of luck,

Anna

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

According to the government there were 195 separate incidents of explosion and fire between 2009 - 2016.

61 of those happened in-pocket (batteries and keys dont go together well, and neither does a fire button go well with pressure from sitting) and 48 while the battery was being charged while 18 while the device was in storage.

Now, we dont know how many of these incidents were due to mechanical mods, but that is 127 that mechanical mod safety can be ruled out for the most part... if you cant turn your mod off without taking the battery out then you should take the battery out before putting it in your pocket or storing it. that's basic common sense, yet many people don't even turn off their ego battery before throwing it into their pocket.

There were only 60 reported/known incidents of an explosion happening while the device is in use.

Again, not knowing how many incidents occured were from mechanical mod use and how many were from regulated mod use that is still not a lot of injuries for a 7 year period.

8.57 device in use injuries a year.
8.7 improper transport a year
6.8 improper or faulty charging a year
2.6 improper storage injuries annually.
Etc.

Those are good statistics for anything electronic, most especially when the numbers of people using homemade or modifies devices were rather high during some of those years as well as the lack of regulatory oversight for manufacturing to boot.

Only 38 of related injuries were listed as severe. These have been exceptionally good statistics... all things considered.

Even taking the single mechanical mod death into consideration, that would still be listed under improper storage.. as the man was sleeping when it exploded.

One thing on the topic of bad incidents that I've seen a lot, is the "how people react" to situations, and that's really scary when they do the worst thing they could as they simply panic.

It's almost surprising at times to see that the numbers aren't 3-4 times worst.... so I guess that's some good news in a way.

Especially when I see certain things that just makes me shudder.

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

But just in closing to this conversation, it's just a question that regulated mods are quite simple to use, have a huge range of options, and have multiple safety features... and yes, some crappy mods still fail anyways, but overall, they have a lot of advantages.

Mechs, one needs to consider quite a few things:

• Battery condition/state/quality
• No foreign bodies that could cause a short within the mod
• Condition of pin
• Condition of button
• Proper venting holes

And then the coil itself,

• OHMs being balanced and within the range for the battery(ies) being used.
• ensuring that there isn't any shorts

So in the end, it's a question of it being worth the risk... as should anything goes wrong, such as the battery getting unbalanced chemically... how many actually test their battery properly and don't simply take it off their charger and drop in the mech directly?

It's just a question of safety and that's all that I'm advocating.

 

[DaveP]

I have no issues with those who choose to use a mech instead of an electronic mod. It's just preference and choices are freely made.

When I sense that a vaper is new at the helm and wanting to do something that has a cool factor, then they need to know that the safer route is to choose a mod with built in protections. Heck, even electronic mods sometimes go nuts and fry the atomizer. All it takes is a stuck fire button going off time after time as the user sits down and puts pressure on it. The good part is that most E-mods have a 10 second cutoff and/or a key lock function, so it's probably not going to go critical.

I still have one of those 200W box mods with the magnetic covers. I carried mine in a pocket and had the cover come off once. Nothing happened because I carry keys and change in the other pants pocket. Still, the cover could have turned the wrong way and shorted something.

Maybe there should be a Mech sticky thread we could refer them to. At least they could read all about the good features and also the dangers if you aren't really careful and knowledgeable. People should at least know the history of mechs and the reasons why some suddenly go terminal in your pocket.

 

[ilporcupine]

I have no issues with those who choose to use a mech instead of an electronic mod. It's just preference and choices are freely made.

When I sense that a vaper is new at the helm and wanting to do something that has a cool factor, then they need to know that the safer route is to choose a mod with built in protections. Heck, even electronic mods sometimes go nuts and fry the atomizer. All it takes is a stuck fire button going off time after time as the user sits down and puts pressure on it. The good part is that most E-mods have a 10 second cutoff and/or a key lock function, so it's probably not going to go critical.

Maybe there should be a Mech sticky thread we could refer them to. At least they could read all about the good features and also the dangers if you aren't really careful and knowledgeable. People should at least know the history of mechs and the reasons why some suddenly go terminal in your pocket.

Baditude's blog covers it pretty well!

 

[sonicbomb]

Some people do there own silent research, some prefer to post a thread and have it all laid out for them on a plate. I'm happy with either as I'm the kind of deviant who actually enjoys answering technical questions.

 

[DaveP]

Baditude's blog covers it pretty well!

Good point.

 

[gpjoe]

I have around 10 or 12 squonk mods and all are single-battery mechs but one: a Pulse 80, and I still reach for my mechanical Pulse mods more often. The battery life on the mechanical Pulse seems better (or as good), and the vape suits me just fine.

And I don't think I'll ever part with any of my five Reos...

So for me, at least when squonking, I gravitate to the mechs. I also have at least 10 tube mechs that have slowly been replaced with dual-battery regulated mods for dripping, but I always have a couple tube mechs on hand for testing my DIY juices.

 

[Rossum]

Also lots of folks first squonked on a mech mod

Quite a few if us still do.

and for the most part didn't have huge incidents. Etc.

I've only ever had a small incident; this coil caught fire and melted the delrin drip tip while the mod was sitting unattended on my night stand:

Nope, not a mech mod. A regulated mod. A DNA 30 to be specific.

I suspect that regulated mods give people a false sense of security.

 

[Asbestos4004]

Quite a few if us still do.


I've only ever had a small incident; this coil caught fire and melted the delrin drip tip while the mod was sitting unattended on my night stand:

Nope, not a mech mod. A regulated mod. A DNA 30 to be specific.

I suspect that regulated mods give people a false sense of security.

Cyclone....still a great atty.

 

[Rossum]

Cyclone....still a great atty.

Yep. I don't use mine much anymore, but I won't give 'em up either.

 

[Vapefiend]

I still use a cyclone daily in fact right now.