Is Nicotine Addictive For You?

[KGB7]

Had an a long argument on same subject on this forum few months ago, and after dozen medical study links on Nic, none of them showed that nic is not addictive do to lack of study.

Having that said, my friends and I, vape more juice with out Nic then with Nic. So we dont vape juice with no Nic. To be fair with out any of our own scientific study, Nic has direct and indirect benefits in our daily life, thus we subconsciously chose juices with Nic.

 

[WharfRat1976]

Of course it is addictive and I am addicted, regardless of what the activists preach...
It will be taxed because tobacco products are an easy tax to justify and addicts will keep buying substances they are addicted to, even if it is taxed...

Head of nail, hit...so good. That's a pretty basic straight forward statement as to whether or not it's addictive. Not only will we use it knowing the delivery method will kill us as in the case with analogs but we will also pay for it regardless of the cost be it from taxation or otherwise.

 

[WharfRat1976]

Which is why sates are trying to slap taxes onto everything vape related at up to 90%. Cigarettes just aren't selling like they used to.




Got to say again, I do admire your never say die attitude. At what point does nicotine become addictive? More or less than an eggplant?

Where can I buy eggplant patches or eggplant gum to curb or supplant my addiction to eggplant.

I just have used nicotine pretty much everyday for 40 years but addiction to it is myth...the logic is preposterous.

 

[KGB7]

Where can I buy eggplant patches or eggplant gum to curb or supplant my addiction to eggplant.

I just have used nicotine pretty much everyday for 40 years but addiction to it is myth...the logic is preposterous.

Why would you need eggplant patches or gum??

Eggplant contains nicotinic acid, which has a similar molecular structure to nicotine, but is not the same thing as nicotine, and does not have nicotine's addictive or stimulating properties. The nicotinic acid in eggplant makes it an excellent source of niacin, an essential vitamin for blood and brain function.

 

[coustain]

Yeah, nicotine is obviously the low hanging fruit. If they need to, though, they'll reach higher. The only former smokers who get a free pass are those who quit cold turkey and never look back. I can't. Like you, I require nicotine to function normally. Does that mean I'm "addicted"? Maybe.

I was quit for two years with no replacement for two years after smoking for 20. I missed the act of smoking and I enjoyed it, but the expense and smelling like a dirty ashtray was annoying. My wife and I discovered vaping and didn't look back! I love my nicotine like I love my coffee!


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[Bunnykiller]

Nicotine IS addictive but no worse for you than caffeine in moderation. And probably less bad for you than Red Bull and such. They should sin tax Red Bull if they do Nicotine in vaping.

is it?? tests were done on people using "just nic" to determine the effects on the brain functions for cognative thought processes over a few months and the people who were tested ( which were non smokers/non nic users) had no withdrawl symptoms ( which suprized the researchers)... conclusion... nic is not addictive but falls under the dependence heading.....

 

[dam718]

is it?? tests were done on people using "just nic" to determine the effects on the brian functions for cognative thought processes over a few months and the people who were tested ( which were non smokers/non nic users) had no withdrawl symptoms ( which suprized the researchers)... conclusion... nic is not addictive but falls under the dependence heading.....

So which, if any, of the thousands of chemicals in cigarettes were we addicted to when we smoked? Was it simply the act of smoking? Between gum, patches, zyban, welbutrin, Chantix, and acupuncture, the only thing that I was able to finally kick the habit with was eCigs... It's the only thing that simulated the act of smoking... I was able to completely ween myself off of nicotine at one point and started using 0 nicc juice, and eventually quit vaping altogether. I've since picked it back up, and am using 6mg nic juice. When I vape, I definitely don't get the headrush I used to get after going a while without a cigarette. So what was providing that headrush? The nicotine? Or something else? Maybe it was the deliberate intake of carbon monoxide?

Maybe these doctors have it all wrong in using nicotine in smoking cessation therapies... Maybe they should be dosing us with what we're really addicted to?

 

[Bunnykiller]

So which, if any, of the thousands of chemicals in cigarettes were we addicted to when we smoked? Was it simply the act of smoking? Between gum, patches, zyban, welbutrin, Chantix, and acupuncture, the only thing that I was able to finally kick the habit with was eCigs... It's the only thing that simulated the act of smoking... I was able to completely ween myself off of nicotine at one point and started using 0 nicc juice, and eventually quit vaping altogether. I've since picked it back up, and am using 6mg nic juice. When I vape, I definitely don't get the headrush I used to get after going a while without a cigarette. So what was providing that headrush? The nicotine? Or something else? Maybe it was the deliberate intake of carbon monoxide?

Maybe these doctors have it all wrong in using nicotine in smoking cessation therapies... Maybe they should be dosing us with what we're really addicted to?

must be the something else.... I vape 36 nic juice and dont get the "rush" as a ciggie supplies.... process of elimination would say the nic isnt the cause
and to note.... try vaping in the dark as to where you cant see the exhaled vapor.... you get this distinct feeling something is missing even tho you are still getting the same vape.... there is a pretty good chance that vaping is also a visual thing too....

and to add.... ciggies have WTA ( whole tobacco alkaloids ) which may play a role in the "desirability" of tobacco consumption...

 

[choochoogranny]

Look up MAOI's. Just a little additive the tobacco companies use to "boost" the effects and delivery of nicotine in your cigarette.

Could be why I was an instant quitter of cigs once I started vaping was I was smoking the cheapest cigs I could find. Perhaps that tobacco was not "enhanced" as heavily as the premium brands?

 

[coustain]

There is a psychological aspect to smoking and vaping. Our mouths are considered an erogenous zone due to the sensitivity of nerves. If you look at a homunculus map of the motor cortex, the mouth is extremely disproportionate to other parts of the body. And then there is the social aspects of smoking and vaping, which likely add to their psychological addiction. I missed congregating in the smokers area almost as much as I missed smoking itself. However I will say that nicotine is addictive because of the withdrawal effects of irritability and headaches for example. Same as caffeine. But since it is a naturally occurring neurotransmitter for which humans have receptor cells, (potatoes contain nicotine) nicotine in moderation by itself, it is relatively harmless.


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[jseah]

Which brings up another possibility, are we addicted to the habit more than the nic itself?

I'm almost certain my addiction is to the habit more so than the nic itself. If that wasn't the case, then NRT's would have worked for me in quitting. That's why they always say that a successful program to quit smoking always has to include behavior modification.

 

[jseah]

There is a psychological aspect to smoking and vaping. Our mouths are considered an erogenous zone due to the sensitivity of nerves. If you look at a homunculus map of the motor cortex, the mouth is extremely disproportionate to other parts of the body. And then there is the social aspects of smoking and vaping, which likely add to their psychological addiction. I missed congregating in the smokers area almost as much as I missed smoking itself. However I will say that nicotine is addictive because of the withdrawal effects of irritability and headaches for example. Same as caffeine. But since it is a naturally occurring neurotransmitter for which humans have receptor cells, (potatoes contain nicotine) nicotine in moderation by itself, it is relatively harmless.


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My 20 year old daughter came up with that conclusion yesterday. She's a LPN and currently studying to become a RN. We were talking about vaping (and she is actually picking up the terminology) and I mentioned that I am much more drawn to the act of smoking than I am to the nicotine and she surmised that the whole act of sucking on a vaporizer or a cigarette may be a subconscious link to when we were infants and feeding.

 

[jseah]

must be the something else.... I vape 36 nic juice and dont get the "rush" as a ciggie supplies.... process of elimination would say the nic isnt the cause
and to note.... try vaping in the dark as to where you cant see the exhaled vapor.... you get this distinct feeling something is missing even tho you are still getting the same vape.... there is a pretty good chance that vaping is also a visual thing too....

and to add.... ciggies have WTA ( whole tobacco alkaloids ) which may play a role in the "desirability" of tobacco consumption...

My friend has been trying to get her mom to quit smoking for years. She had been buying her blu's and her mom just haven't been able to quit the habit and continues to smoke. Her mom's complaint about the blu's are that they just don't put out enough "smoke". I keep telling her that we need to bring her mom to a vape store, let her try out different juices and find the one she likes and then get her set up with a nice starter that has good vapor production.

 

[jseah]

So which, if any, of the thousands of chemicals in cigarettes were we addicted to when we smoked? Was it simply the act of smoking? Between gum, patches, zyban, welbutrin, Chantix, and acupuncture, the only thing that I was able to finally kick the habit with was eCigs... It's the only thing that simulated the act of smoking... I was able to completely ween myself off of nicotine at one point and started using 0 nicc juice, and eventually quit vaping altogether. I've since picked it back up, and am using 6mg nic juice. When I vape, I definitely don't get the headrush I used to get after going a while without a cigarette. So what was providing that headrush? The nicotine? Or something else? Maybe it was the deliberate intake of carbon monoxide?

Maybe these doctors have it all wrong in using nicotine in smoking cessation therapies... Maybe they should be dosing us with what we're really addicted to?

Years before vaping was a possibility, I had several people tell me that what helped them to quit was switching brands to American Spirit. Apparently American Spirit is supposed to be made without a lot of those additives that BT adds.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Why would you need eggplant patches or gum??

Eggplant contains nicotinic acid, which has a similar molecular structure to nicotine, but is not the same thing as nicotine, and does not have nicotine's addictive or stimulating properties. The nicotinic acid in eggplant makes it an excellent source of niacin, an essential vitamin for blood and brain function.

Eggplant flavored ejuice.

 

[coustain]

My 20 year old daughter came up with that conclusion yesterday. She's a LPN and currently studying to become a RN. We were talking about vaping (and she is actually picking up the terminology) and I mentioned that I am much more drawn to the act of smoking than I am to the nicotine and she surmised that the whole act of sucking on a vaporizer or a cigarette may be a subconscious link to when we were infants and feeding.

That's actually Freudian, which while interesting, most of Freudian theory is hot garbage lol. I'm a psychology major by the way. The link between the "oral fixation" and smoking/vaping according to Freud was that the infant failed to resolve developmental issues during the Oral Stage of psychosexual development, and in order to discover and overcome those issues, one would have to undergo extensive psychotherapy which most likely would end up with the subject being told something about having an Oedipus Complex lol.

The real deal is It is most likely behavioral in nature. Because of the massive amount of nerve endings in the face, there is pleasure derived from the stimulating effect of vaping and smoking, which reinforces the behavior psychologically, and the nicotine acts as a chemical reinforcer. If there is no worthy incentive to quit smoking (my wife got pregnant, that's why we quit), attempts to quit will fail.

I like the fact that I'm not the only one who looks at vaping from a psychological perspective lol.


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[MrStik]

Not for me. I do not use nicotine in my juices, but a lot of stores still use 6 or 12 mg for their juice bars. I do get a buzz from it, but I am not addicted.

 

[WharfRat1976]

Behavioral 1%, dependency and addiction, like a rat to a piece of cheese, 99%. I stopped once for 2 years, maybe a tad less, I pick up one analog and back on the PAD train almost immediately. You cannot tell me I was re-hooked on a behavorial basis. No way.

 

[coustain]

If you think about it, all addiction is behavioral. This just happens to have a chemical and social aspect.


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[cocoloco]

If nicotine did not exist in any form of ecig product, would the government be looking to tax it all?

When I do not have nicotine in my body I become restless, irritable and generally unglued physically and emotionally until I put nicotine in my body.

I use 3mg nic but vape at least 21mg of nic per day....at least and probably more.

Many say nicotine by itself is not addictive. Through 40 plus years of using it I strongly disagree.

The vapors cause has a double edge to it. The government will eventually tax all ecig products but nicotine is the very reason the government can justify coming into the vape shops and tax to begin with

To me, it is addictive. That's why I vape. If nicotine were outlawed or unavailable in ecigs, I wouldn't vape.

Unfortunately, we don't benefit from a lobby group like BT and BP do.

BG will do anything to raise tax revenue.

16-18Mg juice ... 3-4ml/day.