If there were wild rumors about alcohol being banned, you bet alcoholics would start hoarding and making their own. Seems there are parallels to vaping...
Is vaping a new form of addiction ?
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Scenario: I need money for _____. ok son/daughter, here's $??
I didn't have a job at 16 when I started smoking. I would save up my lunch money for cigs.
Parents aren't keeping themselves liable for the way their children behave. It's easier to rely on the government, to keep their kids from doing anything by making the laws, than being the parent. Parents want to be friends with their kids.
I echo your thoughts. It is a legal product for the public.
Let me pose a hypothetical question to the poster who believes only former smokers should vape:
If someone wants to start using either analogs or e-cigarettes, can you honestly say you recommend analogs so they can use e-cigarettes as a tobacco Harm Reduction technique? Why should they ever expose themselves to the much better documented and greater dangers of combustive tobacco use? Why not skip that step altogether?
If my son were in that situation, and determined to do one or the other, I would recommend he vape in a second. No question.
I think this is a bit of a red herring. Would alcoholics be the only ones to hoard and set up home stills? I bet many social drinkers would as well. Simple use of alcohol does not make a person an alcoholic, nor does use of nicotine make one a....whatever label you want to put on them. Nicotine-addicted person whose emotional, mental, and physical being is compromised through the use of nicotine. I don't know many of those. I don't think nicotine compares with alcohol very evenly. They are completely different drugs.
In any case, there is a stark difference between a social drinker and an alcoholic.
Maybe your word choice was accidental, but I think it was misleading.
I think many are as addicted to e-nic as alcoholics are to alcohol. I know full well what an alcoholic is. I knew someone who couldn't even go shopping without taking a drink. I have read accounts of vapers who can't make it through the aisles or checkout of stores without a vape.
So you stand by your original flawed analogy. I suspected you might. Let's explore the validity of saying that e-liquid and alcohol use are the same, shall we?
Let me ask you a few questions.
How many liver transplants have been required by excessive e-liquid use annually?
How many traffic accidents and fatalities are caused annually by excessive e-liquid use?
How many overdoses of e-liquid use result in deaths annually?
How many families are splintered and left in shambles because excess of e-liquid use?
How many young females are raped on campus after they overindulge with excess e-liquid use annually?
For someone who allegedly knows what an alcoholic is, you are comparing apples to oranges. Knowing someone who can't go shopping without a drink does not make you knowledgeable on the subject. You conveniently ignored my original question. Here it is again:
Would alcoholics be the only ones to hoard and set up home stills if a ban were threatened?
Now you can address these issues, or simply concede that there are stark differences in the use of these drugs. You can just ignore me, too. I hoped you would read my first post and say, "well nicotine and alcohol use are completely different, of course. What I was saying was...." Instead, you defend the original premise. The premise is flawed, no matter how badly you want it to be correct.
get him eddard! get him! LOL
now i understand what your both saying and while i agree with eddard that its apples and oranges, steve i get what your trying to compare... but why? its doesnt bother anyone for me to puff on an e-cig in a grocery store, where as drinking a beer in the same aisle would offend and perturb many people. I dont see why its an addiction because you simply puff on an e-cig wherever your allowed (legally of course
). When you were leaving the grocery store and you finished loading up the car what was the first thing you did? Light up? i bet so... and what if you had to stop at the gas station to get another pack of cigarettes. what did you do after completing the purchase? light up?... its more of a habitual need in most cases then an actual need of the nicotine. You are adjusted to what is "normal" for you. Some people chain smoke... some smoke 3-4 cigarettes in a day. Again its what is perceived as normalcy to YOU. I make no apologies for vaping in a grocery store. I do it because i can and i WANT to, not because i feel this need to have my e-cig super glued to my lips. I find its more of an oral fixation thing as i typically tend to vape 0mg juice anymore and only when i have a really really rough day do i have a tank with 2mg in it so i can get a quick fix and go back to something else.
now i understand what your both saying and while i agree with eddard that its apples and oranges, steve i get what your trying to compare... but why? its doesnt bother anyone for me to puff on an e-cig in a grocery store, where as drinking a beer in the same aisle would offend and perturb many people. I dont see why its an addiction because you simply puff on an e-cig wherever your allowed (legally of course
). When you were leaving the grocery store and you finished loading up the car what was the first thing you did? Light up? i bet so... and what if you had to stop at the gas station to get another pack of cigarettes. what did you do after completing the purchase? light up?... its more of a habitual need in most cases then an actual need of the nicotine. You are adjusted to what is "normal" for you. Some people chain smoke... some smoke 3-4 cigarettes in a day. Again its what is perceived as normalcy to YOU. I make no apologies for vaping in a grocery store. I do it because i can and i WANT to, not because i feel this need to have my e-cig super glued to my lips. I find its more of an oral fixation thing as i typically tend to vape 0mg juice anymore and only when i have a really really rough day do i have a tank with 2mg in it so i can get a quick fix and go back to something else.
I didn't say they are the same. I said I think there are parallels. Would someone who isn't addicted hoard like a doomsdayer and set up an illegal manufacturing operation, in regards to alcohol? Certainly not.
Many times addiction does not involve illegal or even dangerous substances or even acts. I certainly believe someone can be as addicted to vaping as an alcoholic is to alcohol. Neither can control themselves. When one can't make it through a movie, shopping or meal without a vape, they are addicted.
Many times addiction does not involve illegal or even dangerous substances or even acts. I certainly believe someone can be as addicted to vaping as an alcoholic is to alcohol. Neither can control themselves. When one can't make it through a movie, shopping or meal without a vape, they are addicted.
I had quit smoking (tobacco) for 10+ years before I started vaping. 10+ miserable years.
I don't see anyone fretting about whether kids start drinking coffee or not. All those wonderful flavors!
I don't see anyone fretting about whether kids start drinking coffee or not. All those wonderful flavors!
YES!!! I love my Pacifier..its the first thing I kiss in the morning..and its the last thing I kiss at night..
I feel that anyone who wants to vape should absolutely be allowed to do so, regardless of their status as smoker, non-smoker, or ex-smoker.
I was a smoker for 15 years. A pack a day of Camel Wides. I had tried to quit with e-cigs before, but the low nic content just didn't do it for me. I only quit analogs in January because I was pregnant. Cold turkey, no NRT at all. No patches, no gum, no pills. Just...no more cigs.
I spent most of the pregnancy counting down the days until my next smoke. If a friend hadn't offered me her e-cig after I delivered, with cartos that had a higher (24mg and 36mg) nic contents, I would have grabbed a pack of cigs as soon as I was able to get out of bed for an extended period of time.
I was a smoker for 15 years. A pack a day of Camel Wides. I had tried to quit with e-cigs before, but the low nic content just didn't do it for me. I only quit analogs in January because I was pregnant. Cold turkey, no NRT at all. No patches, no gum, no pills. Just...no more cigs.
I spent most of the pregnancy counting down the days until my next smoke. If a friend hadn't offered me her e-cig after I delivered, with cartos that had a higher (24mg and 36mg) nic contents, I would have grabbed a pack of cigs as soon as I was able to get out of bed for an extended period of time.
Well at least he answered one of my questions....
People are addicted to adrenaline, the internet, video games, chocolate, caffeine, sex, porn, etc.
People who vape are generally addicted (to some degree) to nicotine in the e-liquid. That does not make them the equivalent of alcoholics, which is what your original premise appeared to be. I appreciate you admitting the drugs are vastly different. The behaviors associated with the addicts of both substances are widely divergent as well. This is why none of my rhetorical questions from my last post were answered. Nicotine, while arguably addictive, is clearly not a mind altering substance. Comparisons between behaviors of addicts of a mind altering depressant and behaviors of a neurostimulant addict are torturous at best.
I don't get your point in comparing the two, Steve. I really don't. But we can move on now.
People are addicted to adrenaline, the internet, video games, chocolate, caffeine, sex, porn, etc.
People who vape are generally addicted (to some degree) to nicotine in the e-liquid. That does not make them the equivalent of alcoholics, which is what your original premise appeared to be. I appreciate you admitting the drugs are vastly different. The behaviors associated with the addicts of both substances are widely divergent as well. This is why none of my rhetorical questions from my last post were answered. Nicotine, while arguably addictive, is clearly not a mind altering substance. Comparisons between behaviors of addicts of a mind altering depressant and behaviors of a neurostimulant addict are torturous at best.
I don't get your point in comparing the two, Steve. I really don't. But we can move on now.
I actually just finally met someone who started vaping who never really smoked. They like the flavors, the technology, and the comradery of the community. They do vape nicotine, but very low nic. Since they are an adult, I see no real difference in their choosing to vape then I would if they just recently started drinking beverages with caffeine or alcohol in them. When I was newer here, I got really offended when I saw someone say they vaped but never smoke. Now I've come to my senses. Can't fight for my rights and trample on others.
The only part I don't care for is the ignorant suggestion that vaping could possibly be a "gateway" to tobacco, and how nay-sayers would like to milk that into an excuse for prohibition. Obviously anyone who'd buy that line has never smoked or vaped. Smoking tastes like crap, but because of the physical and chemical addiction we develop a positive psychological association. E-juice tastes like yum, well, if it's good juice anyway.
The only part I don't care for is the ignorant suggestion that vaping could possibly be a "gateway" to tobacco, and how nay-sayers would like to milk that into an excuse for prohibition. Obviously anyone who'd buy that line has never smoked or vaped. Smoking tastes like crap, but because of the physical and chemical addiction we develop a positive psychological association. E-juice tastes like yum, well, if it's good juice anyway.
I think sometimes there is Association between an Addiction and what an Addiction can Cause.
A person can be Just As Addicted to using an e-Cigarette as they can be to Drugs and or Alcohol. But the Addiction to Drugs and or Alcohol can Cause Much More Serious Problems and have Much More Serious Repercussion.
Doesn't mean that the Addiction is Any Less with something Else. Just means that Ones Addiction can have More Greater Consequences than the Other.
A person can be Just As Addicted to using an e-Cigarette as they can be to Drugs and or Alcohol. But the Addiction to Drugs and or Alcohol can Cause Much More Serious Problems and have Much More Serious Repercussion.
Doesn't mean that the Addiction is Any Less with something Else. Just means that Ones Addiction can have More Greater Consequences than the Other.
I wonder if there is a 12 Steps Program for People Addicted to Buying Mods?
Hi, my name is zoiDman and I'm a Mod-O-Holic?
I thought I had generalized mod purchasing addiction, but it seems to have morphed into a specific addiction to purchasing ProVarii over the last few months. I understand this disease is progressive and terminal. Oh well.
The first step is admitting we have a problem...
CHAIR: "Okay, so who would like to share next?"
ME: "Hi, my name is Edd, and I am a ProVari purchasing addict"
I don't have to tell you, drugs ain't the only things to get addicted to, folks. Some people mainline their work, some people snort ESPN, some people needle pop gambling. There are those that shoot up junk food, fine wine, cohibas, babe. Some people get hooked on love. And like any fiend on the street, you always need another bump. Just one more bump, man, just one more bump.
ETA: I am not a LEO (Law Enforcement Officer) but I know a few, even on ECF. Cops are junkies. Let me rephrase that before I get locked up. Cops, atleast narcotic interdiction officers (state/highway) are adrenaline junkies.
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haha I'd be there in an instant. I've spent close to $500 in the last month and a half... I definitely have a problem.
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