It happened, bring on the antz - ECig Mod Explodes

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WattWick

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I can't find the instructions for any of my knives! What will I do?

Heh! One of my RC helis came with a warning: "Warning: rotating parts". Now that's an understatement. :D

Wonder how many would bother to read any news if each and every case of casual sporting related injuries were put in print. Heck, I think my fall on the ice a couple winters back would be worthy of at least a couple of front pages. That was just from plain old walkin' about. Who was there to catch me when I fell? Noone, I tell you! Where did the system fail?!
 
Lots of folks tossing blame on B&M's and their evil practices, do tell what kind of safety course have you taken from an online retailer?

I just ordered a Subtank online. At the bottom of the page, in the specs, is a note in bold face type stating that sub ohm vaping can be dangerous, that the device used to run the tank needs to be able to provide a certain wattage, that li po batteries can be dangerous if misused, and that the user assumes all liability. Which, really, is about all I would expect from an online store. I believe that there is a similar warning that displays every time I access the coil building section of this forum.

I would hold shops to a little higher standard because you are talking about face to face interaction between (one hopes) someone who is more knowledgeable about vaping and someone who is probably less knowledgeable (the customer). This is not always a given, though…the same vape shop that sold my friend the mech and the Atlantis for his first setup has an employee who proudly showed me his Atlantis tank that he was using on his freaking MVP. When I acted surprised because I had thought that the MVP wasn't sub ohm capable, he laughed and told me that it was OK, it just misfired every couple of hits, no big deal. :blink: That same vape shop is also known for building some seriously janky, questionable coils for people. It's only a matter of time before something stupid happens, and it ends up on the news.

Someone who is ordering things online might be assumed to know more about those things than someone walking into a store…especially someone new to vaping who assumes because someone works in a vape shop they know what they're talking about. Obviously, some know more than others, and some out there are idiots telling people that something is perfectly safe when it really is not. I still place a burden of self-education on anyone who wants to vape with things like mech mods and sub ohm tanks, because it's just common sense to research something before you do it for me. But we're talking about something that people are already trying to ban because they don't understand it and have been told that it's dangerous…so if a vape shop wants to stay open and if responsible vapers want to keep being able to vape, then there has to be some accountability for the information that the shops are putting out there. I'm not saying that is completely fair, but it is what it is.
 

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I didn't read much but I know what has been said

in a perfect world it is really an user error, you won't sue Harley Davidson if you buy a motorcycle and get into an accident because you have no idea how to ride it. but as ecigs are on war this is ammunition for them. I've had a cell phone battery exploded on me, but because phones aren't being persecuted there is not much news about them, or at least not used as propaganda, just stuff that happens.

vape shops should have a warning or a caution label on these products and try to educate the customers but that is just courtesy. and don't sell a kit that doesn't match that combination was a disaster waiting to happen hybrid mod, low amp battery and a clearo that isn't suitable for direct battery contact
 

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I didn't read much but I know what has been said

in a perfect world it is really an user error, you won't sue Harley Davidson if you buy a motorcycle and get into an accident because you have no idea how to ride it.

The MC requires a separate license endorsement (in most States), and testing to ensure that one knows how to safely ride it on public streets / highways...
 

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Some of you know I had a regulated mod set on fire a week and a half ago. It was a mod I had several weeks with no issue. Honestly, I debated posting it as I didn't want to give ammunition to the wrong people, but felt peeps here needed to know. If I hadn't been sitting right there, who knows how bad that might have been. I've done a lot of searching, and its not a known issue with that mod. But, it happened. I consider it no different than a friend's laptop setting on fire. Once in awhile, a defective one comes out of the factory. Or one component becomes/is defective.

We do need to take some personal responsibility. Before I bought my first street motorcycle, I did a lot of research. The motorcycle itself, of course. Safe riding tips. But, also things like how well clothing and helmets hold up in crashes, and the types of injuries people sustain in a crash. I decided on a Kawasaki ex500 for my first bike, and went to dealerships. The first dealership kept trying to talk me into a 600cc supersport. Some of might be thinking, so, what's an extra 100cc? Its not the engine displacement, but the type of engine. The 500 is a parallel twin and much more suited for a new rider. The 600 is an inline 4 race engine, and a newbie can launch it into a tree if s/he doesn't have the skill to handle it. Luckily, I had done my research and knew I wasn't ready for the 600. The only thing that dealership cared about was the profit margin. Dealership #2 was a completely different experience. That salesman was very helpful, and I was there for hours choosing my bike and safety gear. They got the sale, of course.

However, I realize e cigs aren't motorcycles. People are probably more likely to not do research, walk into a B&M and be upsold an advanced device. Shame on those shops.
 

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I hate the health and safety and lack of personal responsibility culture that seems to have imbedded itself in our lives and whilst I'd love to blame everything on users I can't as it's not that simple. My concern is these incidents to those outside of vaping just make vaping look dangerous and negate our main argument of health benefits even though the incidents are few and the benefits great. People can use all the "mobile phone", "laptop" and "car" analogies they want no one is after those things in the way they are with vaping. I'm a complete believer in vaping and what it can do for millions of people yet to make the switch let alone the millions already benefiting from it and we have to provide as little ammunition to the opponents as we can be that users or businesses. As I've said before once vaping is settled in a legislative way knock yourselves out blow clouds, build ridiculous low ohm coils and vape left right and centre I wouldn't care but until then be cautious dont rub it in people's faces and instead of thinking of people that give bad looks or comments as enemies approach, engage and win over it's not as hard as some think and a lot will be surprised at how open minded many are when they hear the other side to the relentless anti vaping propaganda.
 

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It just boggles my mind that the general sentiment is we need people to be protected from themselves not expect more from those people. Then again I guess its a barometer for the "everyone gets a trophy" society we live in.

Perhaps we've learned that simply expecting more of anything from anyone too often results in nothing getting done.

But it's such a shame we've warped that into the belief that over-reacting is a healthy reaction to "Bad Things Happening".

However, there are advantages to "Everyone gets a trophy". Perhaps impossible to fully comprehend until you've experienced a life where there are no trophies.

I've lived outside of that society you speak of for more than four years. I could go on and on and on about how I also used to resent "being protected from myself" until I didn't have it any more, and was slapped in the face by sudden awareness that it's a necessary element of being protected from other people. You'll just have to trust me when I say that your life would be much more stressful (and dangerous) without the safeguards you take for granted now. You probably aren't even fully aware of just how far those safeguards extend, since the handrails have always just been there to protect you from falling. Yeah, the regs and bureaucracies and costs of installing them are a hassle, but live for awhile in a place where those regs don't exist (or exist but aren't enforced, *sigh*), and you will see what an ugly, unpleasant, chaotic, and dangerous environment develops around said lack of regs. Unless required by some higher power (the ugly 'gov' word in this case), very few people are willing, or in financial positions, to invest anything into making your life just the little bit better.

But on the flip side of all that, the majority of "our" society is so unconsciously dependent upon those 'regs', that their common sense has sort of slipped into hibernation. You can warn a guy about the dangers, instruct him how to use it safely, then hand him a mech and watch him blow his face off, because once it's in his hand, he's only thinking "just push the button...if it wasn't safe, it wouldn't be on the market." Hard to blame the individual, considering the bigger picture. See what "our" society has created? Not stupidity, but rather castrated awareness. Everything needs to be highly regulated, painted safety yellow, made too big to be swallowed, handrailed and completely sterilized of "user error", because people can no longer recognize what the risks are, let alone develop a tangible awareness of the consequences.

It's clear we need some regs (how ironic that there are already such great ones on the market), and self-regulation would be the ideal, but it appears that human evolution has yet to reach such an advanced state. Hence, as is The Way of "our" society, vaping will end up over-regulated in the end. That's not the fault of this one guy, even if his accident is attributable to user error. It is just how we've decided it's best to install handrails to protect him from falling again.
 

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Some of you know I had a regulated mod set on fire a week and a half ago. It was a mod I had several weeks with no issue. Honestly, I debated posting it as I didn't want to give ammunition to the wrong people, but felt peeps here needed to know.

Where did you post the details (link please)?
 

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Whatever happened to learning through mistakes that you've made?
Lord knows I've made my share. But I don't blame this or that, I own up to the fact that I did something stupid.

We are creating a society that allows one to blame other things for the choices we make. As we blame other things, we no longer have choices.... It is a vicious circle and it really needs to be broken.

We have become a society that takes the easy way out. For example: they now make things to keep kids out of cupboards. Childproof locks. The child no longer has to be taught not to open things that they shouldn't open. Parents no longer have to teach their child what is permissible and what is not. Now that child thinks that anything that he can open is fair game. Why? Because all the others at home are closed to him. They have no clue.

The child no longer has to be watched, or so the parents in their little protected bubble believe.

I did not lock things when my grandkids came to visit for a week or so. I did teach them the word NO. After a day or two of me watching them like a hawk, they got the message clearly. And yeah, my son's kids are perfect examples of, what I like to call, lazy parenting. My daughter's kids are the opposite. She didn't "child proof" her house and they do not need to be told not to get into things. They were taught at the impressionable age.

Ugh, I am getting frustrated thinking about this and it is slightly going off topic.
 

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Can't even protect ourselves without help from vape/battery manufacturers and yet we expect government to stay out of our business to stay off cigarettes. Ridiculous. Let's just get big brother in on everything to make sure some poor soul who doesn't want to Google anything but goat videos keeping them safe from blowing their hand off safe while vaping. Smh.
Did anyone in this thread up to this point say they wanted government regulation?
I don't recall anyone doing so, but may have missed it.
 

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Found this:

E-cigarette lodges into ceiling after exploding in Santa Ana man's hands | abc7.com

looks like an Atlantis and a 2 battery mod. Assuming the scorched one kept some of the original color, seems that the batteries were of different brand / type too.

haha! I love the quote(s):

Caller: I'm freaking out, I just had an electronic cigarette blow up in my hand.
Operator: Are you burned or what happened?
Caller: I'm burned pretty bad, I'm freaking out.
Operator: Are you having any trouble with your breathing?
Caller: I think I'm having a little bit of anxiety. This thing like blew up in my face and it shot and stuck in my ceiling.

Chris was taken to an area hospital with minor burns to his face and hands and a cut to his hand.


Sounds like he was freaking out! Lol
 

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I was at a Meeting last might of about 30 People. At the break I stepped outside and pulled out my iStick20 and started to Vape away.

I was Literarily Descended upon by people asking...

Is that an e-Cigarette?
You know those things Explode Left and Right?
You don't use that around Kids do you?
You don't use that in you House?
You don't use that in while you Driving?
Isn't Smoking Better than Using That Thing?

It took me about 10 Minutes to Explain the Differences between a APV and a Mech Mod and Batteries.

For the Few that knew a Little about Batteries, they we Amazed/Shocked that a device could be sold where the User could Change the Resistance in the Electrical Path that could Exceed the Limits of a Battery. And when I told them what type Amps a person could Ask a Battery to provide, one person took a Noticeable step backwards.

It was a Very Interesting evening to say the Least. And it showed How Little many in the Non-Vaping world know of understand about Different Types of e-Cigarettes.
 

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Did anyone in this thread up to this point say they wanted government regulation?
I don't recall anyone doing so, but may have missed it.

If you're missing such fun, I could oblige and play the devil's advocate, but my olfactory sense (as discussed in the smelling thread) tells me we'll get in trouble in 4 posts. :D
 
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I can just see it happening.. These incidents will be used to fuel the outright public banning of electronic cigarettes. Folks will not want to be subjected to any possible danger of fire or explosion around them, or their children / loved ones in public.. With enough media coverage / public outcry, it's entirely possible that we only may be allowed to vape in the privacy of our own homes..

People in general seem to latch on to this kind of negative press. Like those who loudly cough and gag when seeing anything which looks remotely like tobacco smoke. I mean, after seeing a few of these accidents *user-error* vendor-error*equipment failures*, and the injury / damage caused on the news, I'm certain that it's only a matter of time before many start complaining if they notice these "dangerous devices" around them in public..

It's a round-robin back to "What are possible solutions to this concern? Which could have the least amount of negative impact on those who vape, and the industry in general?" Is it even up to us as consumers to have / want to worry about any of this at all? If not, then whose worry would it be? Lot's of questions that need answers / solutions.. I kind of have a feeling that ultimately, whatever is done, will be out of our hands as a community entirely..
 

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I love how they call it journalism still around here to "report" that an E-Cig exploded. The video most associated with this story gives NO information on the E-Cig. Not the brand, make, model, battery size, ohm rating, voltage, wattage or ANY relevant information. It's just a lame narrative that some ambulance chaser put together in 5 minutes about a product they know next to nothing about and a poor vendor being quoted that inexperienced vapors shouldn't mod. Which us respectable vapors nod our head in approval that the vendor had the guts to say that. But the rest of the sheeple bleet about how dangerous this whole thing has become. I feel so bad for the vendor who's store front was videotaped for this story. And news reporters should be ashamed to call this "researched journalism."
 

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Did anyone in this thread up to this point say they wanted government regulation?
I don't recall anyone doing so, but may have missed it.

No I did, but if vapers begin to admit needing protection from the devices they use because of their lack of interest in dong simple research just who do you think will step in and oblige them? Here's a hint it wont be Chinese manufacturers of batteries or mods.
 

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I can just see it happening.. These incidents will be used to fuel the outright public banning of electronic cigarettes. Folks will not want to be subjected to any possible danger of fire or explosion around them, or their children / loved ones in public.. With enough media coverage / public outcry, it's entirely possible that we only may be allowed to vape in the privacy of our own homes..

People in general seem to latch on to this kind of negative press. Like those who loudly cough and gag when seeing anything which looks remotely like tobacco smoke. I mean, after seeing a few of these accidents *user-error* vendor-error*equipment failures*, and the injury / damage caused on the news, I'm certain that it's only a matter of time before many start complaining if they notice these "dangerous devices" around them in public..

It's a round-robin back to "What are possible solutions to this concern? Which could have the least amount of negative impact on those who vape, and the industry in general?" Is it even up to us as consumers to have / want to worry about any of this at all? If not, then whose worry would it be? Lot's of questions that need answers / solutions.. I kind of have a feeling that ultimately, whatever is done, will be out of our hands as a community entirely..

It could start here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...phlet-handed-out-b-m-other-vaping-outlet.html

No one responded except for one person and the OP didn't, as far as I know or can see, took the suggestion I made and ran with it. Maybe someone else will? I don't have the knowledge.

I would love to see something like this in place. It could help our cause.
 
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