It happened, bring on the antz - ECig Mod Explodes
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Found this via IG repost earlier. Perhaps this is the issue with the explosion, says it will cause a hard short.
https://instagram.com/p/0DouFQSXwC/
https://instagram.com/p/0DouFQSXwC/
That is one excellent video, Darryl.
Been wanting to see someone intentionally short out IMR batteries. Wish granted. Thanks!
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Educated or not, no vaper with six years under his/her belt would ever say they were "smoking" an ecig.
Posted this quote on another thread earlier tonight. It's appropriate so I'll re-post it here
Think about how stupid the average person can be...
Remember that half of them are dumber than that.
Around radio control cars, the hazards of Li-Po batteries have been known for quite a while. Be careful with them. They will go
BOOMif you abuse them
Think about how stupid the average person can be...
Remember that half of them are dumber than that.
Around radio control cars, the hazards of Li-Po batteries have been known for quite a while. Be careful with them. They will go
BOOMif you abuse them
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OD perhaps I misunderstood your post.. If so, I apologize. You said "Yet not one word about banning or taxing them" and my point was that there have been many words ......and many ordinances..... just that not a whole lot has teeth.
I live in a place where ATVs and tourism and where some of the most famous ATV trails are located.....it's a huge "hot topic" here. I don't even know that many people, and I know 3 people at least in last 5 years who are dead as the result of these things. Adults who know what they are doing. What I was saying is that there "have been" many attempts to over see these things, politically people are dead set against it here because it is a huge source of tourism and $$$. The "push back" is pretty strong when you live in a non-existent economy like here. $$ is gonna win.
I will also say that I can't relate to relativism. The idea that vaping (with possibly unsafe unvented mods with mystery batteries in them) may be unsafe but why aren't other things that are unsafe getting equal eyeballing? My take on that is that if we were on an ATV forum, it would seem as though it were. Just as the new "alcohol in powder form" is getting a lot of eyeballs lately.
Besides, that doesn't justify bad design in vape gear, does it? Comparing vape gear to ATVs doesn't really take vape gear off the hook, does it? All it does is change the subject.
Instead of comparing other unsafe things, why not just commit to making vaping safer? In 2015, vaping has been around for 10 years......there is no excuse for a mod that is improperly vented to be carried and sold by any US vendor. (The scary part is that some of them seem to know less than the accusedly "stupid consumers" buying them.
)This is where industry professional trade associations come in. It's about networking, education, a desire to get on the same page.....to uplift your industry and give it credibility...........and it's still not happening, though we were talking about it back in 2012 when I joined up here.
There are always solutions. That is what keeps me positive. In order to find them though, you have to be looking at the problems and also not be in denial that there ARE some problems.
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I think relativism matters in the way that we should not be judged (taxed and/or regulated) any differently than other activities that has the same or higher level of risk involved. I don't have any statistics on hand - but I can somewhat confidently say that most kinds of extreme sports have far more injuries than vaping. Why should we be regulated - or face potential de facto bans?
In terms of relative safety, tho - I can't disagree with wanting vaping to be as safe as possible. But I also see the human aspect of wanting to save a couple of bucks by buying crap batteries - and the unwillingness to learn anything. Or what may be more common: The lack of knowing that there actually is a need to learn something. It's not like pictures of black lungs on cig packs ever stopped me from buying them. We can educate to the best of our ability - but we can't stop people from doing stupid things unless we regulate an entirely different market: the battery market.
I think the fact that we're even having this discussion points toward us being the underdogs - in a rhetorical landscape carefully crafted by our opposition. This is a battery issue. Not an e-cig issue. I want no more shared responsibility for what people stick in their mods than what they stick in their e-liquids. The former is a battery issue, the latter a drug issue. Neither really a vaping issue. Don't let it become one.
These are different debates that can exist in parallel with the vaping discussion - but should not be a deciding factor in whether or not e-cigs get banned into oblivion.
In terms of relative safety, tho - I can't disagree with wanting vaping to be as safe as possible. But I also see the human aspect of wanting to save a couple of bucks by buying crap batteries - and the unwillingness to learn anything. Or what may be more common: The lack of knowing that there actually is a need to learn something. It's not like pictures of black lungs on cig packs ever stopped me from buying them. We can educate to the best of our ability - but we can't stop people from doing stupid things unless we regulate an entirely different market: the battery market.
I think the fact that we're even having this discussion points toward us being the underdogs - in a rhetorical landscape carefully crafted by our opposition. This is a battery issue. Not an e-cig issue. I want no more shared responsibility for what people stick in their mods than what they stick in their e-liquids. The former is a battery issue, the latter a drug issue. Neither really a vaping issue. Don't let it become one.
These are different debates that can exist in parallel with the vaping discussion - but should not be a deciding factor in whether or not e-cigs get banned into oblivion.
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Thank you, WattWick! Your response is better then anything I could have written in response to Racehorse!
Edit: Lo and behold, in this morning's paper it is reported a man died when his ATV collided with a semi. Imagine that! In a state with "legislation" prohibiting ATV use on a highway. Good thing we have legislations in 44 states!
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This reviewer's take on the cause of the incident.. He recommends not using most of the sub-tanks available on devices with hybrid top-caps.. Now that a plausible explanation is available, how would "Joe Average" vaper know this when picking gear out in a local shop? I consider myself well-informed on many things vaping-related, but haven't really heard about the pins on many sub-tanks not playing nice with hybrid top-caps until now...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJKtJ00jSiQ&feature=em-uploademail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJKtJ00jSiQ&feature=em-uploademail
Have you ever seen/used an Atlantis IRL?
I don't understand how anybody that has picked up an Atlantis would think its a good idea to use with direct battery contact. You can press the 510 pin in with your finger far enough to cause a short.
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Besides, that doesn't justify bad design in vape gear, does it? Comparing vape gear to ATVs doesn't really take vape gear off the hook, does it? All it does is change the subject.
Instead of comparing other unsafe things, why not just commit to making vaping safer? In 2015, vaping has been around for 10 years......there is no excuse for a mod that is improperly vented to be carried and sold by any US vendor. (The scary part is that some of them seem to know less than the accusedly "stupid consumers" buying them.
This is where industry professional trade associations come in. It's about networking, education, a desire to get on the same page.....to uplift your industry and give it credibility...........and it's still not happening, though we were talking about it back in 2012 when I joined up here.
There are always solutions. That is what keeps me positive. In order to find them though, you have to be looking at the problems and also not be in denial that there ARE some problems.
Nicely said.
Red text: I'd only amend that to read "any vendor, anywhere". This is a global market, there are lots of members here who also have a vested interest in the topic and aren't in the US, the US in particular is already known to be somewhat of an over-regulating zealot, and only a tiny fraction of cottage industry stuff is actually manufactured there. I just believe it's best to think in proportion to the market. The more diverse we are, the stronger we are.
Blue text: Good idea. The first spoke in that wheel should be a trade assoc. focusing specifically on the battery segment of our market...as it applies to OUR market segment specifically, because right now vaping applications are still mixed in with laptops, cellphones and flashlights. It's confusing, and that confusion is what's feeding all this nonsense with counterfeits, rewraps, and incorrect (outright lying, in fact) performance ratings. "35 AMP" on the (re)wrapper of a battery that tests at 20 is totally unacceptable.
"Anybody" relatively new to vaping probably wouldn't even think about it..
EDIT: Obviously, the person that had the accident didn't think it was a bad idea..
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"I vape. I vote!" So, does my family, friends, neighbors and the over 2,200 members in the Scenic City Vapers Club. You bet we can make a difference. 
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If that is the case. Atlantis is not a very safe choice for many Mods. I have several that have a bit wide/flat 510 center pin. Any collapse could lead to a hard short.
People seem Bent on the Idea this Explosion had to take considerable time and heat to occur.The after incident interview with (Chris) clearly shows minimal to no burn injury. Only a small cut requiring 2 butterfly stitches.
The 4Nine split at the threading between the top and second spacing section leaving the threading inside the top piece.
Again - This was a Battery Fresh off the charger and very likely a Fake Lithium wrapped as an IMR.
Darryl Licht - none of the Videos take into account <Containment> effect on Gas expansion.
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In the early days of vaping these problems were virtually non-existent, due to the fact that "adults" were using vaping as a way to quit smoking and not as a hobby/competition. I've read stories here on ECF about "youths" making the move to vaping, because they had to kick a 2 month smoking habit and/or for the attention they gain from being a "cloud chaser." WHY? Do you need a HUG?
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well, what's a "normal" length battery? I have three different types of 18650's and they're all different lengths.
Compare legit 18650 flat tops and they will be consistantly right at 65mm.
Button tops will be slightly longer.
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