It just felt wrong

[YoursTruli]

Again, I ask how can we change society's views on vaping to make it acceptable, and not verboten because the visual act of vaping makes people uncomfortable when there is no public health threat?

I don't believe there is anything we can or should do to make teen vaping acceptable to the public, health threat or not, which teen vaping is what this thread is about and what I was responding to. For the OP it was the huge clouds that bothered her the most that she saw this maybe 15 year old blowing on his way to school versus the act of vaping itself.

 

[YoursTruli]

No, but wasting taxdollars passing tons of sidebar legislation surrounding the issue is just plain stupid.
99% of vape shops do not sell anything to minors anyway. Let's roll with that and let he same people policing kids with cigs go after teen vapers, and not wast another cent on it.



They can state anything they want.

The fact is, states have funded services with millions of dollars of tobacco tax money and they are not about to loose that revenue stream.

Spin it any way you want, but that's a fact.

and I agree with you on both counts but that doesn't change the legislation being passed or the lip service foundation of the fight.

 

[Belhade]

What concerns me the most, kids are going to be obsessed with the "Big clouds bro" and bypass any know how of ohms law or battery safety. Another unwanted headline waiting to happen.

On the other hand, this may prompt some kids to learn about Ohm's Law and electrical engineering. Kids like hobbies, too!

 

[MaxwellPink]

About a year ago my town raised the age you could buy tobacco products (including e-cigarettes) to 21. They claimed they did this to reduce the amount of teens smoking.

Earlier this year they passed law banning the sale of flavored cigars and e-cigarettes. They claimed they did this because these items were so enticing to kids.

Am I the only one who sees the stupidity of this? Maybe if they had just enforced the original law they wouldn't have needed the others.

I was 13 when I had my first cigarette. Despite the laws stating you had to be 18, I was freely able to purchase them. Nobody cared. So while I'm not going to give a minor crap for vaping, I'm not going to advocate it either (at least not until we know the long term effects). But I think I'm well in my right to be po'd at the person who sold/gave the gear to them.

 

[LMS62]

Street drugs have been illegal for many, many decades.....and that has worked out about as well as stamping out underage drinking. I'm just relieved that nobody exceeds posted speed limits anymore, because that is illegal also. Whew! As a society, maybe someday we will learn that the fix to some of our issues, or what some may perceive to be issues, isn't necessarily banning something, as that simply doesn't work, and never has.

Of course, when it is something we are really, really, really, super-damn-duper serious about, we just change up our terminology a smidge and said we are declaring "war" on it.

It has all become so silly, it is to the point of being comical.

 

[MaxwellPink]

There's a difference between enforcement that is perceived to have failed, and failing to enforce due to perceived inability to do so.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

So murder should not be illegal since people still kill each other?
I have a bit of a problem with that variety of logic.

 

[Racehorse]

I think blowing huge clouds in public is just obnoxious. Call me old fashioned, but its similar to someone blasting their music so loud the cars YOUR in vibrates.

Yes, I see as similar.

What I also don't "get" is that, because cigarettes smelled so bad, but to us, the flavorings in vapor doesn't, why vapers think that *everyone* wants to be in a room all day smelling chocolate fudge brownie or cinnamon buns if they don't vape and never smoked.

I found that out with a family member, who is VERY pro-vaping because of me. But I noticed that he just didn't enjoy being surrounded by those smells, esp in closed car or closed room. He kinda didn't sa anything because he cares about me.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

considering things rude vapesr are doing the rest of us no favor and we should not feel sorry for or support them in their rudeness.

 

[Breezy Dawn]

When I was in HS all we had to do was sign out of class and walk out to the sidewalk to smoke, stop off at the concession for some munchies....if you catch my drift then back to class....Chinese eyed!.....A very liberal school!

Well that sounds like a school i may have actually gone to all day instead of sneaking out all the time,lol.

 

[Breezy Dawn]

I started smoking and dabbing in the wild side when i was around 14 too. This is the age (for me at least) There was no telling me anything. If i wanted smokes or beer there was always an older friend to get them for me. I have a boy turning 13 next month,ACK! I would whoop em if i catch him smoking after seeing what ive been through trying to stop. I wouldnt want to him chasing big ol clouds either,but only because we see storys of grown up getting hurt because of some mishap. I would likely let him and just maybe even get it for him as long as he got some smarts about it and could prove it to me. He can get it anyway,they can get almost anything behind your back,i would rather no its safe as can be.

 

[LMS62]

So murder should not be illegal since people still kill each other?
I have a bit of a problem with that variety of logic.

Do you really think that my logic includes violent crimes, such as murder, when I am talking about issues such as underage drinking, underage smoking, and underage vaping (which is the topic of this thread, isn't it?). Seriously? LMAO.....ok then.

My point is that by just banning or making something illegal (ok...let me spell it out so you don't think I'm talking about murder) such as underage drinking, smoking, or vaping (see, no murder, rape, kidnapping, armed robbery, etc included),normally does not work. What could make a difference, at least for some of the underage "offenders", is education.

And again....murder not included.

 

[Hitcat44]

So murder should not be illegal since people still kill each other?
I have a bit of a problem with that variety of logic.

Not Analogous in the least.
By that, it is safe to assume you have an issue with "Logic" in general.
No offense.... that's just such a ludicrous Comparison

What's next,,,, Outlaw Wendy's Double Baconaters (et al) Flavoring in Candy and anything else the Elitists define as unhealthy or unacceptable
Or maybe just make it illegal for "the Children" to order, purchase, or posses them. That might do it but maybe we should outlaw ALL Fast Food for ALL People just to be sure the Idiots, the Criminals, those with no respect for themselves or others, the Outlaws & Rebellious, the Insane or "feeble" of Mind don't get their hands on these Killers.
We must ALL stand up and firm behind this measure. Together with Federal, State and Local Laws and the creation or expansion of more Bureaucracies and Propaganda Campaigns we can stamp out Childhood & Adult Obesity. Yepperz, That will do it for sure.
Hey,,, At least we can Feel Good about our efforts even if nothing more than.
Actually, let's just demonize them and jack the Taxes on them through the Roof and spend the Revenue on Feel Good Programs and Committees and Agencies and Agents and Obesity Officers and Yada yada mumbo jumbo mamby-jahamby Equine Defecation.

Don't know whether to laugh my posterior off or cry in mourning for the death of Prudence.

 

[HighPlainsPuffer]

Seems pretty obvious to me that kids, especially young adults, are going to want to do what adults can do. Be it driving or smoking or drinking or vaping, they are going to try it unless they are educated why they shouldn't. Saying "you're not old enough" is not a valid reason... I blame the kid's parents!

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Do you really think that my logic includes violent crimes, such as murder, when I am talking about issues such as underage drinking, underage smoking, and underage vaping (which is the topic of this thread, isn't it?). Seriously? LMAO.....ok then.

My point is that by just banning or making something illegal (ok...let me spell it out so you don't think I'm talking about murder) such as underage drinking, smoking, or vaping (see, no murder, rape, kidnapping, armed robbery, etc included),normally does not work. What could make a difference, at least for some of the underage "offenders", is education.

And again....murder not included.

it is the same logic approach. yes vastly different offenses and the punishments are vastly different as well. But the logic is the same as far as having or not having a law on it.

 

[beckdg]

Which is why I chose the word "belief". I didn't know I needed redundancy.

We're talking electronics and processors.

Necessity for redundancy is a given at all times.



Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

I'd like a chance to critique all the poisons these whining adults complaining about seeing vapor are feeding their children.

"It might be bad for them".
"It might create legislation".
"It looks bad".

Then... "good job cleaning your room little Jimmy. Here's some ice cream, chocolate sauce and caramel dribble".

Hypocrites...

Tapatyped

 

[HighPlainsPuffer]

I'd like a chance to critique all the poisons these whining adults complaining about seeing vapor are feeding their children.

"It might be bad for them".
"It might create legislation".
"It looks bad".

Then... "good job cleaning your room little Jimmy. Here's some ice cream, chocolate sauce and caramel dribble".

Hypocrites...

Tapatyped

Yum! I'd like some ice cream!

 

[AndriaD]

I started smoking and dabbing in the wild side when i was around 14 too. This is the age (for me at least) There was no telling me anything. If i wanted smokes or beer there was always an older friend to get them for me. I have a boy turning 13 next month,ACK! I would whoop em if i catch him smoking after seeing what ive been through trying to stop. I wouldnt want to him chasing big ol clouds either,but only because we see storys of grown up getting hurt because of some mishap. I would likely let him and just maybe even get it for him as long as he got some smarts about it and could prove it to me. He can get it anyway,they can get almost anything behind your back,i would rather no its safe as can be.

Let me assure you, "whoopin" 'em doesn't do any good at all, it just turns them against you, so that they never listen to anything further you have to say. My mother beat the hell out of me when she learned I started smoking at the age of 13. I never seriously listened to anything she said after that, and still don't.

If you really want to alienate your child, go on and "whoop" 'em. That's the only effect it will have. Corporal punishment is not effective for any child over the age of about 9-10, and certainly not at all for a teenager -- it just makes them hate you.

Andria

 

[Breezy Dawn]

Let me assure you, "whoopin" 'em doesn't do any good at all, it just turns them against you, so that they never listen to anything further you have to say. My mother beat the hell out of me when she learned I started smoking at the age of 13. I never seriously listened to anything she said after that, and still don't.

If you really want to alienate your child, go on and "whoop" 'em. That's the only effect it will have. Corporal punishment is not effective for any child over the age of about 9-10, and certainly not at all for a teenager -- it just makes them hate you.

Andria

I use the term "whoop" but in reality my almost teenager hasnt been "whooped" since a single pop on the hand or thigh stopped working. I threaten "whoop" but its a pop,a single pop,on the back of the hand or thigh for my pressing 4 yr old. I forget no one here knows me and i didnt mean it literally. Then again im sure some may think thats just as terrible.
My preteen knows,because i have let him know about every time i want to smoke. Ive explain what its like trying to stop. How cranky i feel. Of course he knows how bad it is for you but i want him to know how addicting it is too and how that works. He forgets things pretty fast unless its drilled in,so i nag (actually needed) but i dont "whoop em" Now nagging can push them away too,but i have to do it. My son is also autistic,so things fade for him fast if its not repeated,so ive turned into a nagging women,thats as violent as i gets around here.