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  1. DancingHeretik

    DancingHeretik Dancing in the Chaos Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 20, 2011
    San Antonio, TX
    If I had the money, I'ld buy a Billet Box and be done with it.
     
  2. awsum140

    awsum140 Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    They lost me with "pre-punched 510 cartomizer". Never liked cartos or carto tanks. Plus the odd battery size, odd at least compared to what I have on hand, makes it an "oh well".
     
  3. DancingHeretik

    DancingHeretik Dancing in the Chaos Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 20, 2011
    San Antonio, TX
    Carto-tanks is mostly what I use right now.

    Hopefully my coil-building skills will improve enough to go down that road soon. Then, the Billet Box would be useless. Unless, I use a Sophia. Such tiny little coils!
     
  4. awsum140

    awsum140 Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I learned to rebuild when I started using CE3s, the size of a carto but no filler. It can be done and work better than stock, it's just a matter of technique and practice.
     
  5. DancingHeretik

    DancingHeretik Dancing in the Chaos Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 20, 2011
    San Antonio, TX
    You can rebuild a CE3?

    Technique and practice. I hope so. Time will tell.
     
  6. awsum140

    awsum140 Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Yeah, I rebuild CE3s all the time. They're my favorite "hands free" device. I'm in the process of rebuilding about 100 right now, got to be ready for vapocalyps.!
     
  7. DancingHeretik

    DancingHeretik Dancing in the Chaos Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 20, 2011
    San Antonio, TX
    Wow, just searched YouTube and found this. It had never occurred to me to try to rebuild a CE3.

    Thanks!
     
  8. awsum140

    awsum140 Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I use a slightly different technique. I wrap the coil, NR-R-NR 34 gauge, 2.4 ohms, on a 17 gauge needle. When I assemble it I use the needle to hold the coil at the top of the ceramic cup, in fact it can be done without the cup if you want. Once the silicon washer and center pin are in place, I wick with cellulose, rayon, and trim the wick basically flush with the body. By leaving the coil up it avoids "kinks" in the cup providing a better wick path and lets me dry burn and re-wick rather than do a complete rebuild. I also take them apart at the sink under running water to clean everything.
     
  9. DancingHeretik

    DancingHeretik Dancing in the Chaos Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 20, 2011
    San Antonio, TX
    Maybe there's hope for my old CE3's after all. I'll have to get the 'microscope' out and give it a try.
     
  10. awsum140

    awsum140 Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Just a jewelers loupe will work fine. A pair of decent flush cutters is handy as well to trim off the wire to the center pin.
     
  11. DancingHeretik

    DancingHeretik Dancing in the Chaos Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 20, 2011
    San Antonio, TX
    A jeweler's loupe. So, that's what that thing is called. Learn something every day.
     
  12. DejayRezme

    DejayRezme Super Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 22, 2014
    Europe
    If you cut off the vtr ring and leave the airflow ring off the fogger it actually fits. I actually thought about grinding away some material above the 510 connector to make it fit and have some "breathing room" for airflow, but I don't know how thick the metal is there.
     
  13. awsum140

    awsum140 Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I don't want to cut the ring off of my VTR, kind of alters the look too much and changes the functionality of the low mount tank. I think there isn't a whole lot of metal in the curved wall. I can't say for sure, yet, but when I worked on mine, changing the 510 connector, it looked kind of thin. I'm getting a caliper later this week and if I can get a measurement somehow I'll let you know for sure.

    I have thought about cutting off the top ring and installing a homebrew ring that's big enough for a Fogger sized device. That depends on what is under the top cap and is there room for screws or rivets.
     
  14. DejayRezme

    DejayRezme Super Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 22, 2014
    Europe
    No there isn't enough metal to grind away, it appears to be extremely thin (< 1mm).
    I opened mine now and removed the electronics. Now I have to figure out how to fit a potentiometer, the screen and the chip in the tiny space below the top cap.

    I'm not sure how you could isntall a replacement ring mostly because the bevel around the screen is in the way. Else a bend piece of metal sheet would do, bend into a U shape. The walls of the top cap are about 1.5mm thick but it is some kind of "toy robot" metal.
     
  15. awsum140

    awsum140 Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I think that's called "pot metal". It's what they skim off the top of a melt of, say, steel, an used to get thrown away. It's been used to make cheap metal castings for years now because it has a relatively low melting temperature.
     
  16. fishj

    fishj Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Has anyone had the unfortunate experience of buying Xtar batteries 18650 2100 mah that are just a bit too long for the VTR?
     
  17. wjosephsimmons

    wjosephsimmons Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 27, 2013
    City of Angels
    If they are just "a bit too long" it may be because they are "protected", ie. button-top batteries. The VTR has built-in protection hardware, so it is essential that they are only used with "unprotected" flat-top batteries. The best ones to use for the VTR in my experience are Panasonic NCR18650PF 2900mAh High Drain 10A IMR Li-on batteries:

    Panasonic NCR18650PF 2900mAh High Drain 10A IMR Li-on Batteries.jpg
     
  18. peraspera

    peraspera Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 2, 2012
    midwest
    No Xtars but one of my VTRs will take Orbtronic PD 2900 10 amp, high drain button tops but the battery door won't close with that battery on my other VTR. :confused:
     
  19. fishj

    fishj Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    I screwed up and purchased button top batteries. Will the flat tops work fine with the Vamo 5?
     
  20. Davey59

    Davey59 Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 29, 2014
    Monroe WA
    Yes, it's all I use. Not that button tops will not work, but flats is all I have.
     
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