List of vendors Age Verification requirements.

[tmcase]

Might want to start doing this using Google docs and link from here. That way when thread edits lock, you won't have to keep reposting the list.

I don't know how to do that. Can you explain or point me to instructions?

 

[tmcase]

Probably not. And it's not something I'd get too upset about. However, you may be able to figure it out by viewing the source code on their site.

I'm confused. I thought EVS WAS an AV service??? I have EVS next to ecig.com

 

[tmcase]

I went through the process, got a code via text, from bluecheck.

I'm sorry, what vendor were you talking about?

 

[r77r7r]

Why can't we get verified Once, by/at the security firms site, then have an ID# to use while we shop?

 

[HazyShades]

I'm sorry this thread is so upsetting to you. I have in no way suggested that anyone is breaking the law. At the top of my list I have put an explanation of what "No change" means. Maybe you missed it. This is what it says:

No change means the vendor may be using Veratad which is invisible to the buyer unless they cannot find a match, then you will be asked for additional ID OR the vendor isn’t in compliance (yet).

If there is a better way of wording this I'd like to hear it but I don't intend to delete the list. The list is helpful to the members and could be helpful to the vendors if they haven't got an AV in place yet or don't know which AV process to use. Any vendors that are reading this or hearing about it may let us know before we order by emailing or putting something on their home page say what the AV procedure is, like somebody here suggested.

I'd like to add that if anyone knows of a vendor's AV but are reluctant to post it here, you are welcome to PM me the info and I will add it to the list. Your name will be confidential. Please be sure your info is correct.

I'll add if I may, and in an unapologetic way..that it is naive to think that some vape vendors
don't break the law. In fact I've found the opposite, many vendors are like the headshops of old and likely to be underhanded. That's why I always use a virtual credit card when doing business from vendors who can't accept paypal.
Moreover, as I've stated somewhere (?) The entire age verification requirement is silly.
Credit cards are considered a valid 2nd form of identification by some government agencies.
A simple credit check will give one all the information required, as long as the card holder knows his or her password.

BTW, @tmcase, this thread is a great service to the vaping community I'm a part of
(there seem to be other vaping communities now )
I don't recall crossing paths with you before, it's a pleasure.

Ride on, Vape on!
Regards,
Hazy

 

[Zutankhamun]

I'm in the uk. So no prob here I don't think. Haven't ordered anything but
Can you just buy gear on eBay if you wanted to?

 

[Zutankhamun]

Hold on. I want a Reos mod from Reo but I live in the uk.
Will I have to jump through these ridiculous hoops with them?

 

[mmsjs5]

I'm sorry, what vendor were you talking about?

Kidney Puncher

 

[coldgin96]

I'll add if I may, and in an unapologetic way..that it is naive to think that some vape vendors
don't break the law. In fact I've found the opposite, many vendors are like the headshops of old and likely to be underhanded. That's why I always use a virtual credit card when doing business from vendors who can't accept paypal.
Moreover, as I've stated somewhere (?) The entire age verification requirement is silly.
Credit cards are considered a valid 2nd form of identification by some government agencies.
A simple credit check will give one all the information required, as long as the card holder knows his or her password.

BTW, @tmcase, this thread is a great service to the vaping community I'm a part of
(there seem to be othe vaping communities now )
I don't recall crossing paths with you before, it's a pleasure.

Ride on, Vape on!
Regards,
Hazy

 

[HazyShades]

Hold on. I want a Reos mod from Reo but I live in the uk.
Will I have to jump through these ridiculous hoops with them?

You could always buy 2nd hand or try Ebay...
BTW, in reply to your other post re Ebay being an option,
I wouldn't be surprised if Ebay starts demanding age verification also.
I remember well when Ebay was banning some vape equipment vendors.

Regards,
Hazy

 

[tmcase]

I'm in the uk. So no prob here I don't think. Haven't ordered anything but
Can you just buy gear on eBay if you wanted to?

I can't say for sure but I bought some premade coils from ebay with no problems.

 

[puffon]

Hold on. I want a Reos mod from Reo but I live in the uk.
Will I have to jump through these ridiculous hoops with them?

I doubt it. (unless UK requires it)
E-mail Rob and ask him.

 

[tmcase]

Hold on. I want a Reos mod from Reo but I live in the uk.
Will I have to jump through these ridiculous hoops with them?

Probably. You won't know for sure until you try. You can always back out of the transaction if you do.

 

[tmcase]

Kidney Puncher

Ok, thanks. I have Blue Check for Kidney Puncher.

 

[zed888]

First, thanks tmcase very much for this thread. I have a couple for the list- vapemoar and Alice in Vapeland are Blue Check. To those worried that this is a blacklist or will put Mom-n-Pops out of business, those places were going to lose my business anyway. If I'm trying to place an order and I'm asked for my SSN I'll order from another US site or, failing that, China (no age questions on my last, post 8-8 Fasttech order). Doing in-house age verification might be more than a small site wants to deal with, but adding an option for USPS adult signature required shipping shouldn't be much of a problem. I'd have no problem with an added charge. Maybe some sites that have, say, free shipping over $50 could have an upgrade for free signature required shipping over $100. Showing an ID at the Post Office for nicotine seems fair enough to me- same inconvenience as buying alcohol or cigs.

 

[retired1]

I don't know how to do that. Can you explain or point me to instructions?

I'll put something together and PM you the instructions.

 

[Str8vision]

EVS is another identity/age verification service like Bluecheck and Veratad. They appear to store personal information once they've collected it (a red flag in my book) here's the disclosure excerpt from their privacy policy;

Disclosure

We may disclose any of the information we collect from or about you (as described above) to the following types of entities upon written request: regulatory authorities; affiliated or partner companies, such as data bureaus; or an entity that has executed a service or product contract with Electronic Verification Systems for purposes of providing our software solution(s).

We do not disclose the personal identity information data you provide to us via our online software to any third party for any marketing purposes. We do not sell, trade, or distribute the information we collect from you to outside vendors or third parties unrelated to the services provided by Electronic Verification Systems. This type of information may be disclosed to authorized regulatory authorities, upon request, as required by law.

Here's a link to their privacy policy in its entirety; Privacy Statement | Electronic Verification Systems (EVS)

They do make multiple references to using a person's S.S.# for verifications and imply it enables them to exceed minimum regulatory compliance (second red flag in my book). Identity Verification | Electronic Verification Systems (EVS) Home

 

[tmcase]

First, thanks tmcase very much for this thread. I have a couple for the list- vapemoar and Alice in Vapeland are Blue Check. To those worried that this is a blacklist or will put Mom-n-Pops out of business, those places were going to lose my business anyway. If I'm trying to place an order and I'm asked for my SSN I'll order from another US site or, failing that, China (no age questions on my last, post 8-8 Fasttech order). Doing in-house age verification might be more than a small site wants to deal with, but adding an option for USPS adult signature required shipping shouldn't be much of a problem. I'd have no problem with an added charge. Maybe some sites that have, say, free shipping over $50 could have an upgrade for free signature required shipping over $100. Showing an ID at the Post Office for nicotine seems fair enough to me- same inconvenience as buying alcohol or cigs.

Thank you. Added to list.

 

[DavidOck]

I'll get right on that

Actually, isn't there a tool in FF that may do that?

Can't remember it it's "stock" or an add-on on my FF install, but look under tools, Web Developer, and it's there

 

[tmcase]

I'll put something together and PM you the instructions.

Ah thanks @retired1. I knew those brownie points would come in handy.

On the serious side...if there is somebody that already knows how to do an online spreadsheet or google doc's, maybe they would volunteer to create this list. Maybe?