wth - I failed age verification
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Hey there - not trying to argue --- I was just irritated in general by them. I was the original poster and here are the first 2 lines of that post.
"I ordered from direct vapor. Have ordered from them in the past. My order was placed last week. Received an email today telling me to send in a copy of my license."
I've done it, too --seen a thread jumped in and didn't realize what it morphed into.
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Threads always do, lol.
I completely understand. I had ordered from my vendor before too. Just a few days before in fact.
It's an internet forum. Of course it's gonna morph into something crazy. That's half the fun!
I get it, this taking people's money then ask them to id verify is garbage and it's not right at all.but lots of kids have cc now a days so no that dont prove age at all.at least not in 2018, hasn't for some years now.now back in the 80s and early 90s I would agree with you( wouldn't be agreeing because there was no internet) lol but you guys have to understand when this post started and some of us showed up it was about 5 people ranting over evil people that was asking them for id, there was no "I've already did this " or "I'm mad because of ______<-----add whatever here.it was just a bunch of grown folks ranting and venting over id verify.I get it change is hard but it is what it is.I'm sure it will level out we just have to stick in there and keep up the good fight guys.I'm 100% with all of you.but I do have kids and I see why they're doing all this.this is a cool that people can come and talk all this out.been a member for years but just started paying attention since I've been getting into move advocacy and other types of vaping.mtl,pods,rta rba's that go into sub ohm tanks.just seeing how other do things and this forum is great.lots of friendly people.Technically, purchasing with a credit card is a form of proving age on internet sites in the USA.
That's why so many sites say "we need a CC to verify your age for your free membership, but your card won't be charged."
Also, many sites send things "adult signature required" for verification purposes. If the courier doesn't bother to ask, that 's on them not the seller.
I was simply frustrated because they took my money beforehand, and worse, didn't even bother to tell me they needed me to ID until I contacted them wanting to know where my item was.
Had I not been willing to send them the info they wanted, I would've had to wait for a refund. Effectively tying up money until they did, and what if my CC billing cycle passed before they did?
Then I would be paying interest on it and losing money while my money sits in their account accruing interest. It won't be much interest, but if they are doing it to hundreds or thousands of customers a month it can add up to a fair chunk of change for them.
That may sound far-fetched, but as someone with a business degree, I assure you many companies delay refunds for just that purpose.
Just ask me to verify BEFORE you take my money so I can make a choice whether or not to proceed.
Rant over.
Make light all you want, lol. If I can't take it, I probably shouldn't be on an internet forum.
P.S. This all escalated very quickly, lol.
I failed age verification so I bought it from another store. I am 33 years old, yet the age verification wouldn't let me give them my money. I wasn't offended, it wasn't me who lost money.
Actually, many sites still use the CC as age verification thing in 2018.
A big portion of them are porn sites, but that's a whole different forum.
Many kids under 18 do have debit and credit cards nowadays, but that's because us parents have allowed or authorized it.
Just another thing we, as parents, have to be aware of; the fact that by allowing them to have those cards we've opened up more possibilities for them (like internet shopping and such) some of which are good, some bad.
Anyway.........
I think we've probably beat this dead horse enough.
Long story short.....
ID verify good. No tell first and take money bad.
In other news: Snozberries still taste like Snozberries.
lol agree,time to hit the bed running.good talking to all of you,I get on my wife's nerves talking about vaping all day it's nice to see I have others I can talk to about all this.good and bad agree and disagree.I love this place, really wish I would have started chating years ago.Actually, many sites still use the CC as age verification thing in 2018.
A big portion of them are porn sites, but that's a whole different forum.
Many kids under 18 do have debit and credit cards nowadays, but that's because us parents have allowed or authorized it.
Just another thing we, as parents, have to be aware of; the fact that by allowing them to have those cards we've opened up more possibilities for them (like internet shopping and such) some of which are good, some bad.
Anyway.........
I think we've probably beat this dead horse enough.
Long story short.....
ID verify good. No tell first and take money bad.
In other news: Snozberries still taste like Snozberries.
I'm skeptical that the FDA has the power to do this, but even if they do, those sellers will just move their sites to servers that aren't in the US.
But they can look at hundreds maybe thousands of IDs sent to them and verify they're legit???
Just pay for a verification service and this thread wouldn't exist. I looked through the site in the OP and don't see any service mentioned or ID needed. And really their TOS makes them sound pretty sketchy to me.
When you, in the USA, do an Online Transaction with a Retailer who is Located in China, and the product you are purchasing is Located in China, where did the Transaction occur? In China or in the USA?
If the Transaction occurred in China, under Who's or What Authority would a Chinese Retailer be required to do Age Verification?
And if they Don't do Age Verification, who Exactly is going to be Blocking Internet Traffic on USA Servers?
5150 Premium Vape Fluid has you take a picture with you holding your license or State ID each and every time an order is placed through their website. I agree its ridiculous to do everytime. First time placing an order I can deal with and then the info and photo is filed in the database like most systems. I find it strange they have to do it every time but they told me its part of a less expensive ID system they use. I don't know if that is true or not
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I can agree with her on the carding of a returning customer but she crowns herself "queen!"
I hear you and agree.
A week or so ago, I wanted to purchase the 1 dollar BLU offer and went to the *ejuice/eliquid site and filled in the credit card information for the 1 dollar purchase.
Up came a request for birth date after I filled in all purchase information. Up came a second party site that I'm assuming the ejuice/eliquid folks hired to handle the under age folks. Ok, no big deal but I was not too happy, so I gave in and filled it out with the birth date I always use.
Bingo!!! Next I was ask to send a PICTURE. i dumped out of the transaction because there was no option to allow me to void the purchase.
Not a happy camper.
Later in the day, I received a notice that ejuice/eliquid.com was going to cancel my order if I did not respond.
These folks are making money from our personal information. I will not help them.
*re: Eliquid - Vape juice and Premium Ejuices - Eliquid.com
For the fda to ok so I'm just waking up please bear with me for a min as I wake up ok thanks.how hard do you guys think it is to stop traffic from a sight or something?schools do this daily.schools,library's,government server's alot of stuff I'm not going to name them all and it's lot.the fda has Congress that's backing this, how hard do you think it is for the fda to go to a judge and say "this is the power that Congress gave us, this is who's not complying, block them.boom!that's done over with it was a little harder for the government to do these things but most of not all of us could have stopped it but alot of people didn't sign the online thing for net neutrality rules so that got voted on and now it's really easy for them to take away what rights we did have online.I have a thing on my phones,tablets and pc that gives me updated on what servers and web pages are blocked.I use orb bot and orb fox manly to get on what some people call the "dark net" aka the deep net and you'd be amazed on what's blocked from us and it wasn't even hard to repress this from us.one simple example is during Ferguson they blocked internet traffic in and out.no judge, no one signed off on this they just did it.if that didn't stop you from ordering Chinese online retaile the customs enforcement agency would just take what packages they receive from said country and the online store has this
CHANGES TO TERMS OF USE
DirectVapor reserves the right, at our discretion, to modify, add, change, or remove any portion of this Agreement and any other policies and agreements that may relate to the Website at any time and in any such manner, without any prior notice to you. You are bound by such revisions and it is your inherent responsibility to periodically visit this Terms of Use page to determine the current Terms of Use to which you are then bound. You are able to review the most current version of this Agreement at any given time by clicking on the 'Terms of Use hyperlink located at the bottom portion of the pages on the Website. By using this Website, you indicate your acceptance of this Agreement. Your usage of the Website after changes occur indicate your assent to being bound by this Agreement as well as the Privacy Policy as they exist at that time. AS a disclaimer so yea they can do whatever they want to sucks I know.I'm not for any of this.I believe we should do what we want.but no it's not hard for them.the government gave the fda alot and i mean alot of power over this.
If you use a us credit card with a us bank it's us transaction.I say if you us some digital currency like bitcoin that would be more of a grey area.
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Reading through their privacy policy I saw nothing there out of the ordinary.
SHOPIFY is a legit web company and safe to use. eliquid.com uses them to host their product online store.
I think this is going to be the norm for many online stores going forward.
All web stores collect info. Google knows more about you than you do.
You do realize there's not some big modem hooked to a cable or phone line in the wall of the United States, right? Even China tries but can't block everything they don't want in or out. You wouldn't have a dark web if what you say was possible.
That is not the way it traditionally worked (who knows now with the SCOTUS ruling on sales taxes over the internet). The business is done at the place of business not the home of the consumer.
Are you sure about that?
But just for talk'n... Say it is a US Transaction.
Does the FDA have any Authority to Regulate a Foreign Company?
Ok, but if they don't need a database then how do they know your ID and information on it is legitimate and not a made up card with a photo of me but somebody else's information that i hacked or stole or if its just plain legit ?
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