Marketing to kids

[Jman8]

I don't buy the argument that having decent flavoring in vape juice means we're marketing to kids.

But these look like they cross the line, to me. Yes, I'm sure that some adults will like them, too, but overall, they look like a kids toy. At the very least, these will give a lot of ammunition to the anti-vape crowd, and that's bad news for everyone who vapes.

These are being sold by a vape shop in a Dallas suburb, and they are posting about them online.

It truly doesn't matter if it gives ammunition to the anti-vape crowd, because in reality that we share, it is NOT ABOUT THE KIDS.

To think that it is, destroys your statement of "having decent flavoring in vape juice does not mean they are marketed to kids."

As long as there are umpteen (million) flavors, that ammunition will exist. Concede on these items as 'looking like toys,' and it would be easy, IMO, to roll you over on flavors at some point. Some adults may enjoy a peach cobbler vape. But not all adults would and if it appeals to any kid, then ammunition exists.

In reality, kids existing means the ammunition will always exist. Or really, kids being discriminated against based on a law made by adults, is how that ammunition will exist. Forever. You who are in the majority that would restrict / ban sales to kids, have made your bed and need to sleep in it every time these ludicrous points of "toys" and "kiddie appeal" are put forth. I will argue vehemently against such incredibly poor logic almost every chance I get. And have fun noting that if you think something that appeals to both adults and kids, like these devices do, gives ammunition to opposition, then truly you only barely understand what the argument is actually about. And truly, you will be easy to roll over on the flavor issue.

 

[Uma]

When does Walmart, K-mart, Target, Toys-R-Us, and all other big box stores start carrying these? I really like the Batman one. Is there a Wonder Woman or xena princess warrior yet? I haven't seen Saturday morning commercials yet or commercials on the fun kids channels. I'm so in the dark about these. Arghh. Ohhhh, what about Captain Jack???! WANT!!

 

[boborone]

Still havn't said which part confused you. Either speak or don't comment on it in the first place.

The Misty Mountains

The whole thing. It all completely contradicts itself. You say one thing then follow it with something that makes my head hurt.

 

[Tmg666]

The whole thing. It all completely contradicts itself. You say one thing then follow it with something that makes my head hurt.

I said it shouldnt be advertised as op said they seen it posted online. I said I had no problem with it being sold. If you would like it in a childrens book format with pictures I can arrange that for you if you still can't understand it.

The Misty Mountains

 

[boborone]

You know what we should do next? Go to this thread and tell them they shouldn't be doing this because their mods appeal to little girls. They're making kids want to vape.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=323314







Just kidding and being snarky. If any of do I'll report the trolling. Those ladies are awesome.

 

[boborone]

I said it shouldnt be advertised as op said they seen it posted online. I said I had no problem with it being sold. If you would like it in a childrens book format with pictures I can arrange that for you if you still can't understand it.

The Misty Mountains

OP is lying. I'm a member of the Facebook group he saw the pictures in. Wasn't posted by a shop. Wasn't advertised. Just a guy and posted pictures. Nothing to do with a shop.

 

[boborone]

 

[Tmg666]

OP is lying. I'm a member of the Facebook group he saw the pictures in. Wasn't posted by a shop. Wasn't advertised. Just a guy and posted pictures. Nothing to do with a shop.

As I didn't personally see it I was just going off of the thread. I have no issues with owning painted/skinned mods you like. This would be sweet to see if say the owner painted it themselves or had it heat treated. My main point was just not advertising the sale of anything like.
Not just because kids will see it and want it, but with all the stories of adults trying to buy their kids vape gear popping up, dont need ignorant adults messing things up for everyone

The Misty Mountains

 

[Jman8]

I said it shouldnt be advertised as op said they seen it posted online. I said I had no problem with it being sold. If you would like it in a childrens book format with pictures I can arrange that for you if you still can't understand it.

I'd like it in a children's book format with pictures cause you simply saying it shouldn't be advertised doesn't mean diddily squat to me. It is poor logic to say it can be sold but not advertised. And pertains to one of the regulations proposed by the FDA about all vaping stuff. Your logic would apply equally well to that. If you feel otherwise, please explain. Use pictures or whatever you feel you need to and I'll be right here addressing precisely what actual arguments you are bringing to the table.

 

[Tmg666]

I'd like it in a children's book format with pictures cause you simply saying it shouldn't be advertised doesn't mean diddily squat to me. It is poor logic to say it can be sold but not advertised. And pertains to one of the regulations proposed by the FDA about all vaping stuff. Your logic would apply equally well to that. If you feel otherwise, please explain. Use pictures or whatever you feel you need to and I'll be right here addressing precisely what actual arguments you are bringing to the table.

Such as by television ad or say newspaper/posted on the street somewhere. In a b&m or on their website is fine. I don't see any other vape gear advertised in the ways I mentioned aside from blu which is junk anyways. As the other guy said it was in a group on Facebook which by the information of ops post I was unaware of until a little bit ago.
Pictures might take a bit, hard to draw the amount of fks I have to give to you

The Misty Mountains

 

[Skeebo]

I'd be more worried a kid would get a hold of that thing and think a web should shoot out of it and jump off a building. I know I wasn't the only kid who was disappointed that his Shazam ring didn't work out of the cereal box.

Skeebo

 

[Jman8]

I was unaware

That's all you needed to say. Covers much of what you are getting across.

 

[Tmg666]

That's all you needed to say. Covers much of what you are getting across.

My original post was my opinion on the subject of the marketing a device like this. By the sounds of it your saying I can't have my opinion. Do you by chance work for the us government? If not You'd fit in perfectly.

The Misty Mountains

 

[Jman8]

My original post was my opinion on the subject of the marketing a device like this. By the sounds of it your saying I can't have my opinion.

You can have an opinion, but if your opinion is attempting to enter into a reasonable debate, then be prepared to back up your opinion.

You originally said:

Should it be advertised? No gives a bad image for the fda to go nuts.

That doesn't really read like an opinion. Not only do I disagree with this sort of assertion, as noted in my first post on this thread, but I think it misses the boat entirely about 'bad image.' To our opposition, vaping itself is the bad image. Failure to understand that or sugar coat it will make nitpick threads like this one appear, on the surface, like they have some insight into how things could be better for all of us.

To our opposition, based entirely on what they've said so far, there is no reason at all for the existence of the many flavors other than to appeal to kids. OP appears to be experiencing some denial about the tactics our opposition are engaged in.

 

[Tmg666]

You can have an opinion, but if your opinion is attempting to enter into a reasonable debate, then be prepared to back up your opinion.

You originally said:



That doesn't really read like an opinion. Not only do I disagree with this sort of assertion, as noted in my first post on this thread, but I think it misses the boat entirely about 'bad image.' To our opposition, vaping itself is the bad image. Failure to understand that or sugar coat it will make nitpick threads like this one appear, on the surface, like they have some insight into how things could be better for all of us.

To our opposition, based entirely on what they've said so far, there is no reason at all for the existence of the many flavors other than to appeal to kids. OP appears to be experiencing some denial about the tactics our opposition are engaged in.

I wasn't talking about flavors as those are less advertised then devices. Besides atleast 90% of my bottles say 'keep out of reach of children' failure to do so is just bad parenting. Teens on the other hand are what the flavors would be attracting more in my mind . Analogs don't taste good and if I was starting on a bad habit(most likely to fit in or feel cool in a majority of cases) I would choose the better tasting one(and far healthier). But like teens, adults like those flavors to. Its what helps alot of people quit smoking via vaping. The important thing would be minimize the ability for teens to get this stuff. Granted they will find a way around it like everything else.

The Misty Mountains

 

[realsis]

Sigh..flavors are not just for kids! Grrrrr! I'm a fourty (something) year old woman and I LOVE my flavors! Bubblegum included.! In fact, flavors has kept me away from tobacco. I don't know, but I'm just saying, can't adults like these things too? Or are we doomed to be stuck with some flavor so horrible not even a adult would want to vape it. ? I love flavors, I believe we can have the right to fun things too! Although spiderman and batman are not my thing some adult might really like it? Don't they have that right? Ya know, if you want to see marketing that's targeting kids and teens just turn on the TV and look at the alcohol commercials. Telling our kids to be a real man drink this, or drink this and get all the ladies! It's so hypricital when they say vaping targets kids ! Why do they turn a blind eye to what alcohol does.? Which is addictive and far more destructive and dangerous. They could care less about the kids! It's really about money. Just look at TV and every commercial segment has two or three alcohol commercials suggesting if you drink their product you can be like this cool guy ect. But yet that's allowed!! Huh, sounds like a double standard to me.

 

[alisa1970]

Im 38 years old and I still read and collect comics. These are right up my alley! I guess everything we adults use should just be black, white, or shades of grey. Maybe that'll make everyone feel better. Cause lord knows we adults shouldnt have fun, or have anything cool!

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Yep, if my BF vaped, he 'd be all over that. He's a 44 year old kid - who's addicted to DC Universe (online game).

Adding: ANYTHING can be used against ecigs - it's all in how badly the opposition hates the idea, and we all know that's quite a lot. So no, I don't think that he's doing anything beyond what capitalism would dictate - put it out there and see who buys. It's up to the store owner and parents not to let kids get their hands on it, not some shadowy beaurocrat sitting at a desk with a paper and pen.

Edited again: just read the whole thread and learned this was not a vendor. Which is fine, but doesn't change my POV one bit.

 

[Jman8]

I wasn't talking about flavors as those are less advertised then devices. Besides atleast 90% of my bottles say 'keep out of reach of children' failure to do so is just bad parenting. Teens on the other hand are what the flavors would be attracting more in my mind . Analogs don't taste good and if I was starting on a bad habit(most likely to fit in or feel cool in a majority of cases) I would choose the better tasting one(and far healthier). But like teens, adults like those flavors to. Its what helps alot of people quit smoking via vaping. The important thing would be minimize the ability for teens to get this stuff. Granted they will find a way around it like everything else.

I liked this post. The part I bolded I think relates to these devices mentioned in OP. Adults like those devices. So may teens. We already have laws in place or proposed (which overwhelming majority in vaping community supports) to ensure adults are doing everything possible to make sure teens/kids wouldn't be able to get these devices, nor have easy access to them.

But your granted statement, is the one that rules them all. Kids are going to vape regardless of the law adults pass that may dictate otherwise.

To our opposition, vaping itself crosses the line. Chipping away at the low hanging fruit is part of their strategy. Thus, for the cause of pro-vaping, I say push hard on keeping the low hanging fruit legal (for adults) and keep opposition tangled up in that (spidey) web for as long as humanly possible. Some kids, er, I mean ANTZ, need their games to keep them busy as well.

 

[Chelonian]

Since they target low hanging fruit, then denying them said fruit can only help us.

 

[Jman8]

Since they target low hanging fruit, then denying them said fruit can only help us.

They would, and have, simply change(d) what is low hanging fruit. For them, flavors are low hanging fruit. Get that down to 2 or 3 at most, and then suddenly certain devices are low hanging fruit. Get that down to 2 to 3 device types, and then amount of nicotine is low hanging fruit. Get that down to .6 mg/ml and then vapers ought to be happy that the children are now well protected, and all the low hanging fruit is now gone.

I currently cannot think of any item in the vaping world that doesn't have a target on it. So denying opposition of targets means denying vapers of vaping.

Problem solved.