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[zoiDman]

Iirc, we switched to Kanthal because it was considered a safer (safest?) resistance wire. And because many NiChrome users were complaining about its metallic taste.

I remember many heated discussions on the subject, and @MacTechVpr 's extensive writings on the subject.

Coil under electron microscope

And then there was this thread, after good doctor K. Farsalinos kicked the hornet's nest with his warning about dry burning/overheating our coils.

The end of microcoils?

Just my

That Entire Chromium Oxide IV and "Nano Particles" debacle was what I would Consider to be Ex UCSF Employee Slantz's 1st Major Victory. And Propelled a little know UCR professor Prue Talbot into the National Spotlight.

It was also the 1st Time that I saw the ECF enmasse bend more to the will Hype and FUD verses following Accredited Science.

Then, as you mentioned, Dr. K tried to Quell the Flames only to pour Gasoline on the Fire thru a Hastily and Poorly Worded Statement.

Metals in e-liquid has had a Lasting Legacy. And I still occasional see references to "Studies" even when most of these "Studies" have either been Quantitatively put in perspective. Or in some cases, Exposed and Retracted as Junk via the Peer Review Process.

I tell people New to Rebuilding to try Kanthal A1 as well as NiChrome 80 as well as 316/316L SS wire. If you Can't taste any Difference between them then go with the SS. Because it is Slightly Easier to work with. And it gives you the Ability to use TC if you want to.

Same with Cotton and Rayon. Try a bunch of stuff. And if you Don't see a Huge Difference in them, go with the one that is the Easiest to use.

 

[MacTechVpr]

That Entire Chromium Oxide IV and "Nano Particles" debacle was what I would Consider to be Ex UCSF Employee Slantz's 1st Major Victory. And Propelled a little know UCR professor Prue Talbot into the National Spotlight.

It was also the 1st Time that I saw the ECF enmasse bend more to the will Hype and FUD verses following Accredited Science.

Then, as you mentioned, Dr. K tried to Quell the Flames only to pour Gasoline on the Fire thru a Hastily and Poorly Worded Statement.

Metals in e-Liquid has had a Lasting Legacy. And I still occasional see references to "Studies" even when most of these "Studies" have either been Quantitatively put in perspective. Or in some cases, Exposed and Retracted as Junk via the Peer Review Process.

I tell people New to Rebuilding to try Kanthal A1 as well as NiChrome 80 as well as 316/316L SS wire. If you Can't taste any Difference between them then go with the SS. Because it is Slightly Easier to work with. And it gives you the Ability to use TC if you want to.

Same with Cotton and Rayon. Try a bunch of stuff. And if you Don't see a Huge Difference in them, go with the one that is the Easiest to use.

Researched wire types before the urge struck me to try a Blu. Experiments with KA1 intrigued me for the potential of a ceramic uniformly emissive oxidation layer…if it could be achieved in a stable manner. After a few of these builds I came to the conclusion that it could be.

Then with a little method and practice you can make one of these…

Twisted Lead Parallel

• MacTechVpr
• Nov 21, 2017
• 1
• tensioned microcoil twisted lead parallel

Try doing that with SS.

Of course it works just as well with a straight-8 single.

And it's 30-seconds to vaping bliss.

Good luck.

 

[MichaellMcCoyy]

Researched wire types before the urge struck me to try a Blu. Experiments with KA1 intrigued me for the potential of a ceramic uniformly emissive oxidation layer…if it could be achieved in a stable manner. After a few of these builds I came to the conclusion that it could be.

Then with a little method and practice you can make one of these…

Twisted Lead Parallel

• MacTechVpr
• Nov 21, 2017
• 1
• tensioned microcoil twisted lead parallel

Try doing that with SS.

Of course it works just as well with a straight-8 single.

And it's 30-seconds to vaping bliss.

Good luck.

Good looking coil.... looks like my stainless coils on my coil master jig before I space them lol. Obviously not as many wraps

 

[Katya]

That Entire Chromium Oxide IV and "Nano Particles" debacle was what I would Consider to be Ex UCSF Employee Slantz's 1st Major Victory. And Propelled a little know UCR professor Prue Talbot into the National Spotlight.

It was also the 1st Time that I saw the ECF enmasse bend more to the will Hype and FUD verses following Accredited Science.

Right.

Then, as you mentioned, Dr. K tried to Quell the Flames only to pour Gasoline on the Fire thru a Hastily and Poorly Worded Statement.

Metals in e-Liquid has had a Lasting Legacy. And I still occasional see references to "Studies" even when most of these "Studies" have either been Quantitatively put in perspective. Or in some cases, Exposed and Retracted as Junk via the Peer Review Process.

I tell people New to Rebuilding to try Kanthal A1 as well as NiChrome 80 as well as 316/316L SS wire. If you Can't taste any Difference between them then go with the SS. Because it is Slightly Easier to work with. And it gives you the Ability to use TC if you want to.

Same with Cotton and Rayon. Try a bunch of stuff. And if you Don't see a Huge Difference in them, go with the one that is the Easiest to use.

I tend to agree. All those wires are alloys, anyway. But I'm not a metallurgist, so I read what I can to educate myself. What else can you do? Bad metals, diketones, crystalline silica, all kinds of nasty -aldehydes forming in high temps... I'm trying to avoid avoidable risks.

 

[Katya]

Researched wire types before the urge struck me to try a Blu. Experiments with KA1 intrigued me for the potential of a ceramic uniformly emissive oxidation layer…if it could be achieved in a stable manner. After a few of these builds I came to the conclusion that it could be.

So are you still using contact Kanthal coils? SS?

Asking for a friend who never mastered a perfectly uniform strain-wound coil.

 

[borno]

I'm sure I get more fumes from one occasional welding task at work than from a years worth of vaping. All kinds of nasty stuff in welding rods.

 

[MacTechVpr]

So are you still using contact Kanthal coils? SS?

Asking for a friend who never mastered a perfectly uniform strain-wound coil.

Yes, I tension wind most everything even spacers when it's appropriate for the deck. All coils have strain. We add or detract too, sometimes to bad effect, with handling and installation, e.g. uneven strain on leads. The various techniques allow the targeting of an optimal degree of contact. One which improves on the potential for uniform oxidation and endurance of the geometry.

Strain winds are really ideal for small and single wind (or small parallel singles) to max out surface area to mass and optimize useable power in compact spaces.

Still here and teaching the process in the real world. My pleasure.

Good luck.

 

[Katya]

Still here and teaching the process in the real world.

I know. I've settled for the second best--a perfectly formed coil on a Kuro winder. I've tried other methods, as you know, but never really succeeded. Maybe I need to practice more. But my Kuro is so easy and reliable.

 

[MacTechVpr]

I know. I've settled for the second best--a perfectly formed coil on a Kuro winder. I've tried other methods, as you know, but never really succeeded. Maybe I need to practice more. But my Kuro is so easy and reliable.

K once you wind a simple one it's easy. Can't overthink this. Whether a screwdriver or whatever, it's just doing the turns with the same level of strain. And not much! Just enough to get them sticking together. They will be definitely tighter than a coiler wind. The latter is force, but limited to contact. Tension just beyond this to strain, a very slight stretching of the wire. More than that is really not needed.

In fact forceful stretching reduces the resistance and that's really not the goal. Merely, having them appear fused together and not separating at any point is just good enough, perfect actually, for oxidation.

Just wind adding a bit of strain and just to the point they stop spreading when tension is released. That's the ticket. And you're done.

Good luck.

 

[Katya]

it's just doing the turns with the same level of strain.

That's my problem. I doubt I can wind each loop with the same level of strength. I really wish there were a gizmo that would do that. I've tried several art wire winders, but they were not very helpful and extremely cumbersome for tiny coils.

ETA: My Kuro-made coils do stick together just fine. So there is some amount of strain applied to them, methinks. When I mount my coils straight off the winder, they glow beautifully from the center out every single time, without any strumming. When I need a spaced coil, I just stretch one and it works great for me.

 

[MacTechVpr]

That's my problem. I doubt I can wind each loop with the same level of strength. I really wish there were a gizmo that would do that. I've tried several art wire winders, but they were not very helpful and extremely cumbersome for tiny coils.

Ha ha, listen I don't have the hand strength I had when I started this a few years back. And remember we were winding 32 and 33 gauge back then. Yes it takes a bit more of the wrist and forearms to do 28 and thicker gauges for sure.

Another alternative is to use a small drill or mech screw driver. Hold and active it with one hand use your sensitive hand to feel the wire as it feeds. Currently I'm using quite thick wire and it's doable even with a high power drill. I've got to get another powered screw driver that may give me more switch control particularly with lighter wire. You just gave me an idea. Needed as I'm starting to wire thin parallels again as I mentioned above for smaller squonk heads like the C.R.1 Mass mods, for example.

I've given up on the idea of a fixed rod crank as too cumbersome. Maybe I should find the ideal mech driver and market it. You've got me going.

Good luck.

 

[Katya]

I've given up on the idea of a fixed rod crank as too cumbersome. Maybe I should find the ideal mech driver and market it. You've got me going.

Please do! Please! I've tried everything. We need something that's made just for vaping coils.

 

[zoiDman]

... But I'm not a metallurgist, so I read what I can to educate myself. What else can you do? ...

What else can We Do?

Not Worry and just Live a Happy Life.

Because if we let "Studies" rule our Lives, we would never Enjoy the smell of a Big Fat Steak sizzling on the BBQ. Or probably Red Meat for that Matter. And My God, have you seen what they Put in Steak Sauce?

What we do is Orders of Magnitude Less Harmful that Smoking. Harmless? No. 10x Better than Smoking? I think so.

So I say Do what one feels the Most Comfortable with. And if one feels Kanthal is a better choice over NiChrome 80, there is Nothing Wrong with that.

In the Grand Scheme of Things, I think which Type of Wire one uses in a Coil is low on the List of things I think about late at Night.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Please do! Please! I've tried everything. We need something that's made just for vaping coils.

I have looked for a mechanized vape coil winder for a while now. I never found anything. OH sure, there are industrial coil winders and very large ones for winding springs, but I don't have that much table space or floor space lol.

I've seen videos and 3D printer files for both motorized and mechanical "coil makers" but really they are for making clapton wire, not really for making coils.

 

[Katya]

In the Grand Scheme of Things, I think which Type of Wire one uses in a Coil is low on the List of things I think about late at Night.

Oh, I agree. But like I said, I try to avoid avoidable risks. That's all. If one type of wire (wick, flavoring, temperature, whatever) is a safer choice, I want to know about it. And then make my choice.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

What else can We Do?

Not Worry and just Live a Happy Life.

Yeah, I'll be brutally honest with you all. I never got into vaping to increase my life span or to be healthy - maybe just feel better (never happened lol). I was just sick of smelling like smoke and my house and car smelling like stale smoke and I knew vaping could save me money if done right (and it does).

I'm gonna die, I just know it. lol So be it. I enjoy the act of smoking but nothing else that goes along with it. So I vape instead.

The Angel of Death can knock on my door anytime she feels like it. I'll be vaping when I answer the door and I'm bringing my vape with me!

 

[Katya]

I have looked for a mechanized vape coil winder for a while now. I never found anything. OH sure, there are industrial coil winders and very large ones for winding springs, but I don't have that much table space or floor space lol.

I've seen videos and 3D printer files for both motorized and mechanical "coil makers" but really they are for making clapton wire, not really for making coils.

I've tried everything that was suggested here years ago, including the famous Cigamajig sent to me by its inventor @cigatron:

And this method:



No go. In the end, I'm doing just fine with my Kuro. No muss, no fuss, and it works perfectly fine for me.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Cigamajig

LOL. What a great name!

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

I was just looking for something else on FT and came across an electric coil winder with a 510 so it's powered by your mod. lol Kind of a good idea. Out of stock, of course.

 

[zoiDman]

Yeah, I'll be brutally honest with you all. I never got into vaping to increase my life span or to be healthy - maybe just feel better (never happened lol). ...

I did. And I Did.

Because I started to see those Small Signs of Decline.

Like when you are talking to someone and you start to walk up Stairs. And at about the 3rd Floor you are concentrating on Short Answers so they Can't tell you are starting to get Winded.

Or when you Toss n' Turn at night because you Can't Sleep. And end up getting up to have a Smoke just to Relax.

Or when your New Years Resolution every Year was to Lose 15 lbs. And every year in November you only had 20 to go.

I don't like to say that e-Cigarettes "Saved my Life". Because I'd still probably still be Kicking in some capacity if I still Smoked. I Like to say that e-Cigarettes "Saved my Lifestyle". I just fell Normal Again.

And perhaps the Biggest Smile I ever had is when my MD (who had nagged me for Years to Quit Smoking. And then gave me that Facepalm when I told her I had Switched to e-Cigarettes) grumbled that my Cardo Numbers were Better than Hers. And he is 5 Years OLDER!