Merged old sticky threads (1)

[Drozd]

Hey Drozd,

Trust me we know, and we are doing our best to not only resolve it, but to ensure it wont happen again.

I mean - imagine your frustration and then think about the money, and customers we are losing over this.. trust me, we dont like it one bit and we are working our butts off to deal with it!

I understand...I'm saying that springing 15 euros for ya is a deal given that situation..would come with the secret evil lab and the baby J prototype and tesla prototype...not to mention getting a first look at subsequent design..
Worth way more than Ethan's stated price...

 

[Mik_Janty]

I know - trust me, but its policy not to mix and match forum content. So i should have broken it up earlier, but i thought it would just slowly stop but since its evolving into specific locations of where to buy stuff and so on - i thought id just chime in!

 

[Mik_Janty]

Plus i got a really cool cat - and im not going anywhere without him!

 

[ournature]

I wasn't aware that 901 carts hold more liquid than 510 carts... I thought it was other way round... Right from the start, that was supposed to be an advantage of the 510 over the 901 (but please correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't measured ..lol..).

But TBH I am not the right person to ask (but since you're asking...), as I have barely used 901s at all; and not 901 carts in a 510 atomizer, as the fit is very poor (too tight, don't really fit properly).

i don't know if there are different kind of 901 carts...
the one i have are D shape and they holds about 6 more drops of liquid if you fill both 901 and 510 without the polyfiller...
and my ones fit very well into dura atties...

 

[SudokuGal]

Mmmm, I like cats.

 

[justsomeguy]

Damn, I'm allergic.
Guess I'll keep saving up for Ethan.

 

[lairkeeper]

How much for the cat and the Mik accessory pack????

 

[Drozd]

Plus i got a really cool cat - and im not going anywhere without him!

lol...got 2 cats and a dog..and 2 kids and a fledgeling side business...yet another cat would be the least of my worries..

 

[Orion]

The atty in my sister's V3 taste like roadkill and it was ordered on 2/15/10 and rec'd 2 days later. I already ordered/ recieved a 510 atty and adapter for herself and I. But for backup atty purposes can the original atty be saved?
Part of the problem with it was operator error . I believe she didn't have it tightened enough and she constantly had fluid under the atty where it connects to the battery. And I notice improper inhaling...like prolonged button pushing, sucking way hard and maybe even burning it dry seeing as most of the liquid was seeping out the bottom.
Maybe a good washing?

 

[Mr.Blaze]

I hate being ignorant, so to save me the aggravation, may I ask - Who, or what is HG??

 

[Kelemvor]

i never ad a 901 cart that fills more than a stock 510, only 4-5 drops fewer or 1 drop fewer than 510. dshape, flat . there are lots of 901 carts around. maybe you got some j118 carts ?

anyway the typical joye510 atomizer has 2.2 - 2.4 ohms. clones are most of the time higher
but, its possible that you have to substract the inner resistance of cheap digital meters after measering the atomizers.
to see how much the meter adds, just go to the smallest ohm reading it has and cross the needles. i have one that has 0.8ohm alone, so a typical joye atomizer reads 3 Ohm.

subtract the 0.8 of the meter and you are at 2.2ohm.


better digital meters have a zero point setting and analog meters have a little wheel were you can set the pointer to "0".

 

[RIAFlight25]

My bad~

I kinda started this. I guess I let my ego get the best of me *Laughs* In any sense, Back on topic!

Safe Travels,
RIAFlight25

 

[Giantfan]

If you don't align the cart correctly when you drip, you WILL melt the cart. 100% guarantee. So you must align it, like the guy said earlier.

It would be nice if you guys or someone could design a cart for the 510 that you do not have to align. That you can just stick in there, and not worry about it melting.

And this could probably be done rather easily.

But yes, you must align the cart properly. Mik, I am shocked that you don't know this.

 

[Mik_Janty]

If you don't align the cart correctly when you drip, you WILL melt the cart. 100% guarantee. So you must align it, like the guy said earlier.

It would be nice if you guys or someone could design a cart for the 510 that you do not have to align. That you can just stick in there, and not worry about it melting.

And this could probably be done rather easily.

But yes, you must align the cart properly. Mik, I am shocked that you don't know this.

This is not true. So please dont post things you believe to be true unless you have sufficient proof for this.

I have a mod here that can go from 0.2 volt up to 9 volt - i have tested this from 3.7 to 7.5 volt and i have NOT melted a cart, EVER.

Also, in my 7-8 months of vaping ( rather intensely i must add ) i have NEVER melted a cart. Be it on 3.7, 5 or 6 volt. NEVER.

My entire family are vapers now - none of them have EVER melted a cart.

I spoke to Ethan from JantyUSA he has NEVER received ONE email about this problem.

So - you see, MY proof is pretty solid. This is NOT a general problem. And thats where it ends for me. We are not going to redesign an entire cartridge system based on something less than 3% of our users are experiencing ( and thats if i shoot the number high ).

I hope you understand that there is a difference between how people vape, - how often they vape, how little rest they give their atomizers, if they use carts, if they drip, if their atomizer is "safe" (meaning that they are not running it on 6 volt - or that it is well maintained, in the sense that it hasnt lost its resistance or been damaged in any other way where it will cause much higher heat than its supposed to.

All of the above factors in when something like a cartridge melts. Ofcourse making a V shaped cut will solve this - for you - but a V shaped cut will also mean that liquid can leak out of the cartridge much faster, and the very spot it will leak out ( to the sides ) means that there is a very increased risk of this leading to liquid getting in your mouth - or flooding your atomizer. So the V cut is NOT a fix for the 97% of our users that dont experience this problem; In fact it might even worsen their experience.

So please understand that while i am sorry this is your experience, it is not a problem that is "big" enough for us to try and solve right now. Its an oddity - and probably one that has to do with what kind of PV you have, and how you vape.

And when you use JANTY products, this problem should not happen - not at the voltage they are running, and not how they are designed. IF this happens ( and i know you will say it does on Janty products ) then it is still such a small percentage, that we can not fix it - we can only offer advice, - or try to solve it by studying why it might melt with you, but not for everyone else.

It is NEVER as simple as "I experience this, fix it by doing this" - trust me.

And dont take my long post here as a rant or as if im angry - im not, im just typing very fast as i just got home and i got alot of pressing matters to deal with, so i dont have time to word everything perfectly - i trust and hope you will see past that!

I do appreciate everyone taking time to catch my attention on this issue,and taking the time to post here though.

EDIT: And if you are only dripping, why not just cut 0.5 mm off the tip of the cartridge ? That way it never makes contact with anything, and since youre dripping you dont need it to. Thats a simple, but permanent fix right there.

 

[Massi]

Sorry guys but I asked a very simple question about my new device not working properly,or me vaping wrong with it and it looks like a fight here.

Toby in private is giving me all the support I needed from the very first moment I conctated him in a very professional way....

Anyway I almost came to a conclusion which is really simple, if my guessing is right, and that anybody could have told me long time before.

I have a faulty atom,stop.

Faulty it doeasn't mean that it gets too hot,the ohm are right up to what Kelemvor gently said here, so no over heating .
It's not either my vaping too hard or with too short pauses,couse since yesterday I changed atom with a new one(dura c) and I'm using one new cart with no sign of melting anywhere at all,vaping the way I usually do and inserting it in any position I like.
I hope this goes on the next days so I can be absolutely sure about my issue.

Faulty for me,in my very little experience ,means that has got a slightly larger bridge(at the base)and it touch the flats sides border of cart ,in fact,if I do put a new cart aligning it 90 degrees in respect to what Toby posted here,with my "faulty"atom,it works perfect.

Anyway,I'm just a customer who needed support and I find myself improvvising as technician or debating if this melting do really exist....

Do make me believe I'm wrong.

Mik:I will send the atom to Toby so you can further investigate on this if you want to,but my opinion is to make a vood rite with it and destroy it couse it's just faulty,period.
I'm almost sure of this and I'll know it with absolutley certainty next days....

 

[Mik_Janty]

Hey Massi

Im glad your got your issue solved - but please note this entire thread was started by ournature, and the reason it has developed like this, is because people have strong opinions on many of these issues. A discussion board / forum, needs to allow room for everyone - and i think this thread shows this quite well.

You say that Toby has handled your problem in a professional manner - im happy to hear that, but - i dont understand why you did not just talk to him on his own forum seeing as, i think, you are one of his customers?

This forum is for JantyUSA - meaning , Janty customers using usa.jantyworld.com - and even though this is not even a thread you started - still me + other people have tried to help you anyways - and i hope you appreciate this, especially if you are infact one of Toby's customer: seeing as you should probably have discussed your problem with him - on his boards, and not here in the first place.

Regardless, you are welcome to stick around and ask away - i hope we can be of assistance to you.

 

[borjis]

This happened last year with the then new Dura product.

 

[Massi]

Sorry Mik,but I started posting in this forum becouse the alignement thing was the only thing working with my atom melting carts,so I really wanted to know more and I posted my experience with it.

Also,I can't see any approved suppliers janty europe sub forum,and this is named Janty usa -us,fr,eu.
This could be a mistake of mine of course,but when I got troubles with my mac for example,I first call apple in italy asking what to do or what it could be,than I call apple abroad if I'm not satisfied and lastly I go to the retailer in my town with some solutions,informations and certanity about the kind of problem if I didn't solved it by phone.
That's my way of dealing troubles,it give me more security,so I tought that if I dealt the problem first with the official producer,Janty,and I can't see any other janty sub forum here, than I could clearly talk to the retailer explaining in details what my problem is ,100% sure of what I'm saying and getting a replecement quickly or keep my stuff broken couse it was my fault.

I'm sorry if I've done it wrong,but that's my way of doing things.

Anyway to stay in topic ,my two cents on cart alignement on 510 is that is a legend born because of faulty atoms that melted the carts and worked properly only in a certain alignement.

If you Mik or the admin ,wants to delete all the "fresh air" posts in this thread I really don't care.I'm here to solve my problem and to get more information,that's it.
All I want to is to vape in peace!!!

 

[ournature]

i never ad a 901 cart that fills more than a stock 510, only 4-5 drops fewer or 1 drop fewer than 510. dshape, flat . there are lots of 901 carts around. maybe you got some j118 carts ?

sorry beeing OT but..

umm...this is weird, i'm not a 901 usual user but my 901 carts (that i bought from a chinese seller that i don't want to name here) i was supposed to use with my janty stick well they hold ecxactly 17 drops, my 510 stock cart hold 13 drops, both without the filler of course.

 

[Mik_Janty]

Sorry Mik,but I started posting in this forum becouse the alignement thing was the only thing working with my atom melting carts,so I really wanted to know more and I posted my experience with it.

Also,I can't see any approved suppliers janty europe sub forum,and this is named Janty usa -us,fr,eu.
This could be a mistake of mine of course,but when I got troubles with my mac for example,I first call apple in italy asking what to do or what it could be,than I call apple abroad if I'm not satisfied and lastly I go to the retailer in my town with some solutions,informations and certanity about the kind of problem if I didn't solved it by phone.
That's my way of dealing troubles,it give me more security,so I tought that if I dealt the problem first with the official producer,Janty,and I can't see any other janty sub forum here, than I could clearly talk to the retailer explaining in details what my problem is ,100% sure of what I'm saying and getting a replecement quickly or keep my stuff broken couse it was my fault.

I'm sorry if I've done it wrong,but that's my way of doing things.

Anyway to stay in topic ,my two cents on cart alignement on 510 is that is a legend born because of faulty atoms that melted the carts and worked properly only in a certain alignement.

If you Mik or the admin ,wants to delete all the "fresh air" posts in this thread I really don't care.I'm here to solve my problem and to get more information,that's it.
All I want to is to vape in peace!!!

Hey Massi

Well the thing is, - you bought your items from Ivapour - and while those items ARE Janty items, then your warranty lies with Toby, from Ivapour. This does not mean that you can not use this forum, but it does mean that any and all issues you are having with your gear should be brought to his attention. He can then bring those items to our attention if he sees it fit.

There is no "problem" so to speak in you bringing this to our attention, but when all our customers ( from Janty World - Janty World ) do not have this problem, then it is not something we see as a problem. After all we do have a larger share of customers than for instance Ivapour does - so if our customers dont see it as a problem in general, then it is not a problem for us.

So the "chain of command" if you will, could be in this case that you have contacted ivapour, explained the problem - they would then contact us if they thought it was an issue, and we would then discuss this with them. All of this would lead to our forum being for our customers, and his forum being for his customers.

On the other hand, the discussion you and i are having now, while i dont mind it at all, takes up some time. If you imagine that all of Ivapours customers ( or other resellers/shops ) begin coming to this forum to discuss general Janty stuff, then quickly we wouldnt be able to answer our own customers.

And _that_ is the only reason im saying these things. Now, - i do NOT mind answering these things, but i have also told you a few times now that it is not something we see as a problem - and i have also said a few times that it is not something we are about to change, so i do not wish to personally engage any further in this discussion about this subject at this point in time!

I will also underline however, that you are still very welcome to hang around and chat with people - but if you have any problems with your Janty products you should contact Ivapour and have them contacting us about it, seeing as you are his customer.