MVP Owners Group-into the next generation…

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pufZeppelin

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Those interdental brushes are very good for cleaning

away the ash residue after dry burning, nice soft

bristles and will fit inside most coils

after I dry-burn, if when needed I use an old toothbrush
to gently whisk away any remaining residue...

BUT, that's not the case with the BVC coils
as they are encased IN ceramic fiber, and in turn
that is all enclosed in a metal cup...

you are pretty much stuck with what ya got
only resolve is to rebuild after its lifes end...


- http://i.imgur.com/fUtAdlQ.jpg

- http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cX8bmJhO2Sw/U-Fz6d2xM5I/AAAAAAAACRI/4rl5S5ofH4k/s1600/DSC00252.jpg

- http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0272/6333/products/bvc-coil_large.jpg?v=1409868009



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Over 37 hours of serious chain vaping red light came on very happy

hey, hey now - pretty special device
very pleased your happy and having success with ye `ole MVP


for me, as far as charging my MVP :
I follow the practice of “short-charging” my batteries
not allowing it to get to low (avoid yellow) when possible
and remove it from charge BEFORE it completes (early 4.1v)
(final saturation of charging puts stress on the battery)

team motto: charge soon & charge often

wishing you future good luck !

 

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for me, as far as charging my MVP :
I follow the practice of “short-charging” my batteries
not allowing it to get to low (avoid yellow) when possible
and remove it from charge BEFORE it completes (early 4.1v)
(final saturation of charging puts stress on the battery)

http://innokin.com/manuals/iTaste%20MVP%202.0-1.pdf said:
1.Red LED light = battery voltage is lower than 3.61V
2.Yellow LED light = battery voltage between 3.61V
and 3.75V
3.Green LED light = battery voltage is more than 3.75 V

If you would like some info as to why...

The general consensus is to only charge from around 3.61/3.7V to up to 3.92/4V to get max lifespan from the battery. One example of this via testing is shown here at Battery University.

Table 2: Cycle life as a function of depth of discharge
A partial discharge reduces stress and prolongs battery life. Elevated temperature and high currents also affect cycle life.

Depth of dischargeDischarge cycles
100% DoD
300 – 500
50% DoD
1,200 - 1,500
25% DoD
2,000 - 2,500
10% DoD
3,750 – 4,700

Table 4: Discharge cycles and capacity as a function of charge
Every 0.10V drop below 4.20V/cell doubles the cycle; the retained capacity drops accordingly. Raising the voltage above 4.20V/cell stresses the battery and compromises safety.

Charge levelDischarge cyclesCapacity at full charge
4.30150 – 250~110%
4.20300 – 500100%
4.10600 – 1,000~90%
4.001,200 – 2,000~80%
3.922,400-4,000~75%

Since these batteries range from 3.2V to 4.2V... 25% charge is (((4.2 - 3.2) * 0.25) + 3.2) -> 3.45 and 50% is 3.70V. When they talk about lost capacity, they don't mean a memory effect like some other battery chemistries. What's being talked about is that you aren't using up all of your capacity because that advertised capacity is based on using it from 4.2V all the way down to 3.2V, sometimes even lower... but it really depends on the battery once you hit the exotics with protection circuits intended for 2.5V and top end charge levels of higher than 4.2V... that's not what's in these MVP2's though.

If we want to get approximately 1,200 discharge and recharge cycles... we would want to start charging the battery when it is around 50% (3.7V) and stop when it is around 80% (4V). You could either check the voltage levels, or just aim to start charging somewhere in the yellow zone and stop it by checking the voltage. Note: Doing it like this means you are only getting about 30% of that 2600mA total each charge cycle (2600*.3 ~> 780mA). That's still upwards of a 50% boost in total output over the lifetime compared to drawing out the full 2600mA each cycle!

We don't really care about the sheer number if charge cycles though... we want max output over time... which is another set of tables based on the capacity you allow yourself given the top and bottom voltages multiplied by how many charge/discharge cycles you can expect given that range and using the total expected capacity for the battery in 'new' condition (2600mAh).

Without getting deeper in to this... my suggestion would simply be to keep it in the yellow... and even in to the green a bit... well, if you want the battery to last years and years... if you don't mind buying a new one every year or so and would rather just charge it every night from wherever it is until it's full... that's completely your choice.
 

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after I dry-burn, if when needed I use an old toothbrush
to gently whisk away any remaining residue...

BUT, that's not the case with the BVC coils
as they are encased IN ceramic fiber, and in turn
that is all enclosed in a metal cup...

you are pretty much stuck with what ya got
only resolve is to rebuild after its lifes end...


- http://i.imgur.com/fUtAdlQ.jpg

- http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cX8bmJhO2Sw/U-Fz6d2xM5I/AAAAAAAACRI/4rl5S5ofH4k/s1600/DSC00252.jpg

- http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0272/6333/products/bvc-coil_large.jpg?v=1409868009



:)

Thanks for the links Pufz, those bvc look a PITA to work with

I've rebuilt all my clearos with micro coils and cotton wicks, I'm

glad I stuck with bcc toppers as I've got a lot of heater units

that will fit in any of them
 

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If you would like some info as to why...
Since these batteries range from 3.2V to 4.2V... 25% charge is (((4.2 - 3.2) * 0.25) + 3.2) -> 3.45 and 50% is 3.70V. When they talk about lost capacity, they don't mean a memory effect like some other battery chemistries. What's being talked about is that you aren't using up all of your capacity because that advertised capacity is based on using it from 4.2V all the way down to 3.2V, sometimes even lower... but it really depends on the battery once you hit the exotics with protection circuits intended for 2.5V and top end charge levels of higher than 4.2V... that's not what's in these MVP2's though.

If we want to get approximately 1,200 discharge and recharge cycles... we would want to start charging the battery when it is around 50% (3.7V) and stop when it is around 80% (4V). You could either check the voltage levels, or just aim to start charging somewhere in the yellow zone and stop it by checking the voltage. Note: Doing it like this means you are only getting about 30% of that 2600mA total each charge cycle (2600*.3 ~> 780mA). That's still upwards of a 50% boost in total output over the lifetime compared to drawing out the full 2600mA each cycle!

We don't really care about the sheer number if charge cycles though... we want max output over time... which is another set of tables based on the capacity you allow yourself given the top and bottom voltages multiplied by how many charge/discharge cycles you can expect given that range and using the total expected capacity for the battery in 'new' condition (2600mAh).

Without getting deeper in to this... my suggestion would simply be to keep it in the yellow... and even in to the green a bit... well, if you want the battery to last years and years... if you don't mind buying a new one every year or so and would rather just charge it every night from wherever it is until it's full... that's completely your choice.


that’s exactly how I read it also...

AS SOON AS IT GETS YELLOW (before if possible)
and don’t allow it to complete (final saturation)

manufactures have THEIR parmeters built into the chips
which is a fine line of longevity and run time
so if one can curtail that line by ‘short charging’ logevity increases...


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Thanks for the links Pufz, those bvc look a PITA to work with

I've rebuilt all my clearos with micro coils and cotton wicks, I'm

glad I stuck with bcc toppers as I've got a lot of heater units

that will fit in any of them

Yes, I still prefer my ‘bcc’ coils - they perform SPLENDID for me
(I consider myself a highly skilled expert) :D

the bvc coils are for my whak-o-wife :ohmy:

she is SO HARD on coils, I had to stop using cotton for hers
then she keeps destroying tanks – enter the Aspire ET w/ bvc
so now I am obliged to learn and make the bvc coils work
and I can say, they are fabulous ! (long lasting, durable, tastey)

I am teaching myself how to build/convert the small bvc into a bcc
and have been having good success as of late...

Vape≈Happy

 

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looks like

Smoke City

is showing they have MVP 20W *in stock* $59 Free Shipping

I don't see anywhere stating Pre-Sale (any more)

- iTaste MVP 20 Watt | Innokin | Free Shipping

:evil:

Being primarily a low voltage vapor, this upgrade just doesn't have enough to offer for me to jump on it. I am certainly looking forward to reviews but I'm going to wait and see what the V3 has to offer before I make my next mod purchase. I'm eyeballing the mini with its replaceable 18650 and on board charging as well.

I will make and cover postage on a 30ml bottle of my DIY juice in any of my 40 or so flavors to the first person who does a review on this new version of the MVP!

Edit: I just noticed that the linked site has the V2 Shine for $77.50 and the regular V2 listed for $69.00 but they are listing the V3 for $59.00? That don't sound right:glare:
 
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Being primarily a low voltage vapor, this upgrade just doesn't have enough to offer for me to jump on it. I am certainly looking forward to reviews but I'm going to wait and see what the V3 has to offer before I make my next mod purchase. I'm eyeballing the mini with its replaceable 18650 and on board charging as well.

I will make and cover postage on a 30ml bottle of my DIY juice in any of my 40 or so flavors to the first person who does a review on this new version of the MVP!

Edit: I just noticed that the linked site has the V2 Shine for $77.50 and the regular V2 listed for $69.00 but they are listing the V3 for $59.00? That don't sound right:glare:

yepper , same feelin’ here
I’m sitting good at this time so I will wait to see how it all shakes out

guess they are trying to capitalize on CLKS / SALES / Popular cool kid status
but maybe they just got a good price for a pallett ??

spring load conn, new microprocessor inside sounds good for the right price
20 Watts don’t excite me either as you said

I’ve seen $39 so far, so we’ll see what future brings…


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Hey. I'm in too! I've got the 2.0 I run with a kayfun clone and love it! I use it all day and charge overnight. Never even seen a yellow light even with over 300 puffs! Probably going to look into the 20 or 30 watt version in the future.

hey, welcome to MVP central chiliphil1

glad to hear you gotcha a sweet MVP

brandish it proudly !!!!!!!!!

:toast:
 

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So much going on right now I am just going to sit tight and see what shakes out. The technology is advancing in leaps and bounds so not jumping on anything yet. I am very happy with what I have being a simple vaper. I don't need high temps, sub ohms and the latest new thing. Just simple and works. I have that right now with my MVPs, Itastes and iSticks. Other mods for home use I love, but all in all I am happy where I am. Much better than 2 years ago when I started this journey!
 

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So much going on right now I am just going to sit tight and see what shakes out. The technology is advancing in leaps and bounds so not jumping on anything yet. I am very happy with what I have being a simple vaper. I don't need high temps, sub ohms and the latest new thing. Just simple and works. I have that right now with my MVPs, Itastes and iSticks. Other mods for home use I love, but all in all I am happy where I am. Much better than 2 years ago when I started this journey!



:laugh: haha

all the tech out & we be plain vanilla

that's (3) of us in a row that are just happy simple vapor`ers

I enjoy what I got, where I'm at, a little bit hobbying

AND I'M NOT SMOKING


yeah us


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I love, love, love my MVP2. I ordered the new MVP20W tonight and can't find a single review on it anywhere. Has anyone had any experience with it yet? If so, let me know how much an improvement it is over the MVP2.

EDIT: I thought I had seen a couple on YouTube... couldn't find them though :( Kept getting iStick results.
 

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EDIT: I thought I had seen a couple on YouTube... couldn't find them though :( Kept getting iStick results.

I was looking at the iStick, but I've got a VTR and an MVP2 and really love both of them. I decided to go with the innokin because I've had good luck with their products. I will let people know when I receive it.
 
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