MVP Owners Group-into the next generation

[sando7]

hey diceman you gotta start making your own jooze, them prices are outrageous for store-bought......
if your interested check out my blog entry it has basic start up info and links.



well good morning all i haven't been to bed yet still on the coffee buzz .......
i went and bought this little rda, when i get it and set it up on the MVP i'll post-up; think i'm gonna use 30ga Nicrome.
http://www.vaporider.net/rebuidable-atomizer-bt801-with-air-flow-controllable-system/

shipping was 5 bucks

 

[Desertfremen]

... HOLY CRAP , , that's more than i paid for my entire DIY purchase , i would freak out and the worst part about it is that it's barely vapable . Someone needs to be held accountable

If that's all you paid for you DIY flavourings they won't last long! never did for me anyways....

diceman:

Overall though, while I don't consider $47 to be ridiculous for 2 30mL bottles (assuming it is truly a premium/gourmet juice), I do think that it's a sham, and in this case *not* a premium liquid! I'd go back and demand a refund. IME, anything that tastes perfumey/chemically when freshly mixed isn't going to go away or get any better once steeped.

It's one thing to try a sample and get a bottle only to find that the juice ends up irritating your throat after a while, but this sounds horrid. Definitely a refund because *something* is not right.

 

[sando7]

47 bucks for 60ml, that's SKY HIGH.

 

[gerrymi]

Now next step finding decent priced juice. Lol

Each week Killer Juice offers 4 flavors at 99¢/15ml. and 6 flavors at $1.99/15ml.

Killer Juice

Ill be interested to hear you compare performance of the Nauti with your Kayfun. I hope the latter wins or else Ill have to go buy a Nauti

Well...GrimmGreen and IndoorSmokers both say the Nautilus (with the BVC coils) has replaced their Kayfuns in daily use.

The BVC's imo , need break in time and if your using them below the eleven watt max on the MVP you probably are not going to get to their sweet spot . They really shine at around 14 -16 watts , again imo.

Well...your imo agrees with my imo!!!

The BVC's at 11 Watts on my MVP2 are WOW!

The BVC's at 15 Watts on my Vamo are WOW! WOW!

 

[herb]

hey diceman you gotta start making your own jooze, them prices are outrageous for store-bought......
if your interested check out my blog entry it has basic start up info and links.



well good morning all i haven't been to bed yet still on the coffee buzz .......
i went and bought this little RDA, when i get it and set it up on the MVP i'll post-up; think i'm gonna use 30ga Nicrome.
Rebuidable Atomizer BT801 With Air-flow Controllable System - VapoRider

shipping was 5 bucks

Yes those are outrageous prices and i don't care how good the juice is lol. I like that rebuildable , it's good for tasting juices .

If that's all you paid for you DIY flavourings they won't last long! never did for me anyways....

diceman:

Overall though, while I don't consider $47 to be ridiculous for 2 30mL bottles (assuming it is truly a premium/gourmet juice), I do think that it's a sham, and in this case *not* a premium liquid! I'd go back and demand a refund. IME, anything that tastes perfumey/chemically when freshly mixed isn't going to go away or get any better once steeped.

It's one thing to try a sample and get a bottle only to find that the juice ends up irritating your throat after a while, but this sounds horrid. Definitely a refund because *something* is not right.

Actually the flavorings added up to be the cheapest part of DIY , about $35 00 for a ton of 5ml samples, 10 mil samples and a few 4 oz purchases . I have made 150 ml of five separate flavors and it's cost me peanuts . I have not even put a dent in the 5 ml samples bottles yet (mostly Flavourart ) , since you use only a certain amount of drops which are highly concentrated , flavors seem to last and last and last .

It's no secret that e juice is by far the most profitable thing you can get into , the profit margin is through the roof even when paying say $8.00 for 20ml , paying more i would consider it outright theft .

47 bucks for 60ml, that's SKY HIGH.
there is only 1 jooze i still buy and it's Halo's Belgain Cocoa and it's top of the line, and pay 17.99 for 60ml.
there jooze (Halo) is almost all PG, so i buy it @ 24nic and cut it in 1/2 with VG when i get it in my hands....the only reason i buy it is because i cannot clone it properly; there are no decent recipes out there and i've tried the one that's available.

Seventeen bucks for 60ml of premium sounds about right .

 

[diceman1000]

Meh, it is what it is... The town I bought it in is about 100 miles from me(100 miles is sometimes about as local as it gets out here in the boonies)... It'll be alright. My ITC Vapes order will be waiting when I get home

 

[Bookworm]

47 bucks for 60ml, that's SKY HIGH.
there is only 1 jooze i still buy and it's Halo's Belgain Cocoa and it's top of the line, and pay 17.99 for 60ml.
there jooze (Halo) is almost all PG, so i buy it @ 24nic and cut it in 1/2 with VG when i get it in my hands....the only reason i buy it is because i cannot clone it properly; there are no decent recipes out there and i've tried the one that's available.

How do you get Halo for that price? I love Tribeca and will buy it occasionally but I'm paying 18.99 or 19.99 for 30ml! I had read about cutting it with vg though, which I'll have to start doing. The flavorings are so strong that it seems like it would work well.

 

[DingerCPA]

The BVC's at 11 Watts on my MVP2 are WOW!

The BVC's at 15 Watts on my Vamo are WOW! WOW!

But, I don't *HAVE* 15 watts.....

 

[herb]

Meh, it is what it is... The town I bought it in is about 100 miles from me(100 miles is sometimes about as local as it gets out here in the boonies)... It'll be alright. My ITC Vapes order will be waiting when I get home

Just write it off as a loss , live and learn , we all made mistakes on purchases , no biggie. Now if you do it again were going to have problems.

QUOTE=Bookworm;14101155]How do you get Halo for that price? I love Tribeca and will buy it occasionally but I'm paying 18.99 or 19.99 for 30ml! I had read about cutting it with vg though, which I'll have to start doing. The flavorings are so strong that it seems like it would work well.

[/QUOTE]

Tribeca is one of the easiest DIY recipes you can attempt , it's literally two different ingredients and there are tons of peoples own take on Tribeca all over the web .

Most of the recipes i have seen show the main flavor is a double shot of RY4 and around 5 % of Acetyl Pyrazine both from TFA .

You can buy both of those ingredients for under $4.00 and that will make many future batches as well , a few sites had all TFA flavors on sale for eighty cents each through Labor day .

When i found out just how easy and cheap DIY was i was furious with myself for paying ten times the price for so long and not looking into DIY sooner..

But, I don't *HAVE* 15 watts.....

I get great results with the BVC's even with lower wattage , 11 watts is plenty for them to work well , i am just saying they can definitely handle more wattage than the BDC's .

 

[sando7]

actually the Tribeca clone recipe is 4 ingredients for the true recipe

 

[Newgmole]

Ok so I am concerned about my MVP so since I've got it I always charge every night. It used to charge to 4.2 now it doesn't only charges to 4.1. Is that bad?

Do you feed it?
Water it and take it for a walk everyday?

No, it's fine. Mine did the same.
Been sittin at 4.1 ever since.
All is good.

 

[sando7]

nodda, nodda, nodda ,nodda

 

[Midniteoyl]

I saw your comment about eliminating the lip in the link you provided and i think the ideal way to do this is to use a stepped drill bit . Problem is getting one that doesn't go too far down thus drilling into the center tube itself .

They do have them at Lowe's, Home Depot etc... but they aren't cheap.

Or a very flat drill tip.. I could make one. Or just buy a mill bit. I though about a small sanding disk, like the 3m ones, but then thought it would produce too much waste and I would spend forever trying to clean the tank out

 

[Desertfremen]

Re: DIY

I made all my own juice for over 3 yrs. My preferred flavourings were FA and TFA. I could easily blow through 10mL of a flavour/s when experimenting. Sometimes it would take about 15mL till I was finally happy enough with it to actually make a nic version to vape. Then after about vaping 30mL of it I would be bored and start the process all over again.

This is the same problem I run into with a lot of juice. One big bottle and I'm done and onto the next. So far SB Mother's Milk is the only juice I've ever been able to vape bottle after bottle of without this happening. Consequently ever time I've tried to clone it has been a fail.

As far as Sando's idea goes I can't stand diluted liquids like that. It's like trying to drink weak coffee or scotch with ice in it... I'd rather go without.

 

[Withdrewandi]

This DIY juice convo has me looking into all bloody day lmfao

So I found this

http://www.flavourart.co.uk/diy-eliquid-mixing-kit.html

Thought this might be a good idea for a complete novice like me to try before I continue spending £10 a week on juice which is nothing when I think about how much I spent on cancer sticks per week

Any thoughts from those in the know on DIY juice as if it's worth buying that pack would be great

 

[herb]

actually the Tribeca clone recipe is 4 ingredients,
RY4 double @ 25%
Graham cracker @ 5%
Acetyl Pyrazine @ 4%
Ethyl Malto @ 6%

and it's Spot-on!

Remember everyones take on it is never going to be the same , whats spot on to you may be a little off for another lol. You use the four ingredients huh , interesting .

I asked about it a while ago because i saw like eight different recipes for it on one page alone so i asked which one is the dead ringer and they all said mine is lol. They were all within one ingredient of each other though , very very similar.

 

[DingerCPA]

This DIY juice convo has me looking into all bloody day lmfao

So I found this

http://www.flavourart.co.uk/diy-eliquid-mixing-kit.html

Thought this might be a good idea for a complete novice like me to try before I continue spending £10 a week on juice which is nothing when I think about how much I spent on cancer sticks per week

Any thoughts from those in the know on DIY juice as if it's worth buying that pack would be great

It looks like a decent starter kit. I "cheaped-out" and ordered PG and VG (quarts each) separately. Rather than syringes, I got some graduated pipettes (disposable). I'm not overly hell-bent on "EXACT" measurements. I typically count drops from whatever delivery device (knowing that for that flavoring it will always be the same delivery device) into 10 mL bottles. I then top with 50/50 PG/VG. I have 36mg 50/50 nic that I drop into tanks independently of mixing into flavors. I'm cycling through so many different ones (and I'm still trying to work my way through all the juices I've purchased earlier in the summer) that I don't like pre-mixed nic, as I find it oxidizes and mutes some flavors.

All-in-all, I spent about $75 (USD) on my "stuff". I have approximately 35 different flavors (a few more, counting duplicates from different vendors) and just about 2000 mL PG/VG (including pre-mixed unflavored nic.)

Had I known some of my flavorings would already have droppers, I wouldn't have gotten so many bloody pipettes!

You ought to start somewhere - Even if you mix all the nic, PG, and VG together, you're looking at 300 mL of juice for £50. That seems decently cost-effective.

 

[herb]

buy 30ml with the 10% off coupon @ 24 nic and cut it in half w/VG = 60ml @12nic, this mixture is good for Tanks & Clearo's,
if you drip you can take 30ml of the 60 and cut it again and use for dripping if you so desire.
you can always find the coupon in the Halo sub-forum rite here at ECF.

What are you doing buying juice even with a coupon if your Tribecca is spot on ? Save that money for a mod , it's about time you bought some type of mod for yourself , stop being such a frugal spender .

Or a very flat drill tip.. I could make one. Or just buy a mill bit. I though about a small sanding disk, like the 3m ones, but then thought it would produce too much waste and I would spend forever trying to clean the tank out

A stepped drill bit is the ideal tool for this , it shaves everything perfectly off the sides and is so easy to control .

Re: DIY

I made all my own juice for over 3 yrs. My preferred flavourings were FA and TFA. I could easily blow through 10mL of a flavour/s when experimenting. Sometimes it would take about 15mL till I was finally happy enough with it to actually make a nic version to vape. Then after about vaping 30mL of it I would be bored and start the process all over again.

This is the same problem I run into with a lot of juice. One big bottle and I'm done and onto the next. So far SB Mother's Milk is the only juice I've ever been able to vape bottle after bottle of without this happening. Consequently ever time I've tried to clone it has been a fail.

As far as Sando's idea goes I can't stand diluted liquids like that. It's like trying to drink weak coffee or scotch with ice in it... I'd rather go without.

Wow , not me . I know what i like before hand and do not do complex stuff , the simple stuff works great for me . Regarding diluting , Sando's method works but if you do it with pre made juice you should buy extra flavor shots and then it works really well .

I use his method when buying nic , i buy double what i typically get in all PG and then mix VG in and i have double the amount at a 50/50 ratio.

This DIY juice convo has me looking into all bloody day lmfao

So I found this

http://www.flavourart.co.uk/diy-eliquid-mixing-kit.html

Thought this might be a good idea for a complete novice like me to try before I continue spending £10 a week on juice which is nothing when I think about how much I spent on cancer sticks per week

Any thoughts from those in the know on DIY juice as if it's worth buying that pack would be great

I don't have any of that stuff , i don't even use mixing calculators, i buy my nic and PG/VG and just add drops till it taste exactly the way i like it , i love it , it's a lot less complicated then you think unless you get into complex mixing . I have a ml measurement glass but thats about it . I re use my old juice bottles for packaging

 

[Withdrewandi]

Well at those numbers I would save roughly half what I would spend on ready made juice now lol

Now to get the lady who owns the purse strings in my house to cough up some money

I think that's how I will do it eventually herb but just thought as an absolute beginner a starter pack may help my DIY confidence a little

 

[sando7]

please read and comprehend.......as for the diluted jooze if you read my post thoroughly you should have noticed this is for the Halo Belgain Cocoa only which is quite strong on flavor and it does NOT effect the flavor whatsoever and it's at least 80% PG When you buy it....and also herb like i also said this is for the Belgain Cocoa only....i DO NOT BUY Tribeca i make my own.....once again just to make it clear for some, i only buy and dilute the Belgain Cocoa.....think whatever you all want this works for me and i'm sticking to it, have a wonderful day....if you haven't bought this Belgain Cocoa jooze and diluted it then you don't know do ya!

i just won't post my procedures no more then you won't have anything negative to say, good day to ya!