MVP Owners Group-into the next generation

[garyoa1]

As far as the i30 goes, if you have no reading, either the pin is pushed down too low or you have a bad coil. Or pack of coils. That happens a lot if you have clone coils. Even once in a while with real innokin coils. And can happen with any brand tank, not just innokin. But even with all that it's still my go to tank. There are times when I'll pull a wick and play with the coils until they look right. Re-install it and it's good to go. "Most' times it's just a matter of they got pushed to one side and they're shorting against the side.

 

[herb]

As far as the i30 goes, if you have no reading, either the pin is pushed down too low or you have a bad coil. Or pack of coils. That happens a lot if you have clone coils. Even once in a while with real innokin coils. And can happen with any brand tank, not just innokin. But even with all that it's still my go to tank. There are times when I'll pull a wick and play with the coils until they look right. Re-install it and it's good to go. "Most' times it's just a matter of they got pushed to one side and they're shorting against the side.

I would love to know how you repack the coils on that sucker , what a PITA . I made the mistake of removing the wicks when cleaning a long time ago when i first started and never again . I could not get them back in where they would be snug , they were always far too loose and i tried many different sizes.

 

[jandry]

Thats very odd , your draw changes dependent on if you make 5 or 8 wraps ? I have never had that happen regardless of wraps or wire gauge , what changes the draw is placement, air flow setting and wicking for me.

On another note, i would switch your ohm builds around a bit , i would want a 1.5 on the Kayfun and a 2.0 on the Pro Tank , at least with the MVP .

Yep, I have tested multiple times. Now in a way, it makes sense. The Protank 2 heads are fairly small, and the more... stuff... you stick into that tiny space, the less air can flow, right? That said, i had figured the limitation would be my airbase or the chimney, not the flow around the coil. I can build 2 ohms fine with 32 gauge, but then thats only 6-7 wraps. If i stuff 9 wraps of 30 gauge into a protank coil, its very tight on draw...

Also, why do you run 1.5 in the Russian/kayfun? Im curious to know your reasoning on this. I figured the more wraps touching the wick the more vapor production, and thus shoot for the sweet spot in terms of how long it takes the coil to heat up (due to thermal mass as an astute member pointed out to me earlier). I will give it a shot as I trust your knowledge on this more than my own since im so new, but Id be curious to know why

 

[Keirster]

Building coils is easy-peasy! I'm not pushing any limits - keeping them all about 1.8-2.1Ω I have large hands (for a girl) and need more than my bifocals to "really" see up close and personal (I know, get one of those lighted magnifying thingies....) I started on my kanger heads and then got brave enough for kayfuns. My coils are gorgeous, but I'm still figuring out my wicking on the kayfuns. Kangers - have yet to have any problems other than not enough wick a couple of times, so it was a little leaky.

@Keir - yeah buddy, I'm hoping that by packing the wicking material AROUND the coil I may stave off those dreaded dry-hits! I'll take pics!

I have heard a lot of people rave about the verticals. Can't wait to see what you build.


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[garyoa1]

I would love to know how you repack the coils on that sucker , what a PITA . I made the mistake of removing the wicks when cleaning a long time ago when i first started and never again . I could not get them back in where they would be snug , they were always far too loose and i tried many different sizes.

No, no. Not pull the wicks out of the wire. Wiggle the wires and dry burn to make sure they're not touching the sides somewhere. As far as being loose... they pretty much come loose. Not very snug at all. They are in a very tight area in there but they're not "tightly" in the coil. But yeah it would be brutal to put them back while the coils are installed.

 

[herb]

Yep, I have tested multiple times. Now in a way, it makes sense. The Protank 2 heads are fairly small, and the more... stuff... you stick into that tiny space, the less air can flow, right? That said, i had figured the limitation would be my airbase or the chimney, not the flow around the coil. I can build 2 ohms fine with 32 gauge, but then thats only 6-7 wraps. If i stuff 9 wraps of 30 gauge into a protank coil, its very tight on draw...

Also, why do you run 1.5 in the Russian/kayfun? Im curious to know your reasoning on this. I figured the more wraps touching the wick the more vapor production, and thus shoot for the sweet spot in terms of how long it takes the coil to heat up (due to thermal mass as an astute member pointed out to me earlier). I will give it a shot as I trust your knowledge on this more than my own since im so new, but Id be curious to know why

Its true that you can't fit a long coil in the Pro Tank head base but as long as the coils are not touching the sides the draw should not be effected until wicking is applied. I am just confused about how the wire and wraps without wicking would make a difference in the draw but i think i understand what your saying .

A 5 wrap 32 gauge leaves a lot more space in the head than a 28 gauge wrap , which is too large for Pro Tanks imo but i know some use it . Now your comments make more sense to me.

Sometimes i get confused when you say chimney , as i automatically think your referring to the Kayfun not the Pro Tank . Regarding the Kayfun , unless your using a high powered device, builds in the 1.5 -1.8 dominate with the Kayfun's .

As you know there are thousands of threads on Kayfun builds in ECF , i can't remember a single one where someone built or recommended 2.0 or higher ohm builds with them , Kayfun's do not like very low builds either .

99% of them are built with ohms reading in the 1.2-1.8 area . Seems to be the best for performance but i have used 2.0 myself and that works fine also , i tend to stick to what most more knowledgeable than i recommend and i always have mine in that range and have been extremely satisfied but everyones different.

The bottm line is who cares what everyone else does , if it works for you and YOUR HAPPY , thats all that matters but make sure your completely happy with it.

If your like me being happy with it and needing perfection are two different things lol.

I rip apart perfectly good builds all the time which sometimes drives me over the edge , i'm always looking for perfection but i don't think it exists . Wow, i can't seem to leave well enough alone , anyone notice my post getting longer and longer ?

Anyways , i stay satisfied for a very short time period then i must start over to improve on something that doesn't need improving on .

How bright is that , not to bright actually , i'm convinced i have OCD , how else can this nutjob behavior be explained , it can't , i definitely got it ..

 

[Withdrewandi]

Got the nautilus mini with the bvc in so just gonna use that lol can't get away with the biggest air hole yet tho lungs have not fully recovered from the many years of tar inhalation lol

 

[DingerCPA]

We basically had the same path. Started on Protank 2 heads, and now Im of course winding my kayfun/russian. Have you noticed any draw changes when changing the amount of coil wraps? Ive noticed with 30 gauge I have to stick to 1.5 ohms 6 wraps or else the draw gets real tight. No flavor wick, cotton, just barely enough wick- doesnt change it unless I wrap less wraps. Russian doesnt have this problem, so I can wind 2 ohm coils with 30 gauge and still get an airy draw..

Jandry, no, I usually run 9 wraps of 30g around a 1/16" bit. I've got a mini screwdriver that came with my mini kayfun that I'm starting to use for those decks. It might be 2mm (it's bigger than 1/16, for sure.) It's more the inner diameter of the coil (and maybe how far above the deck it's sitting) that makes it seem tighter or looser in draw.

Only my kf lite doesn't have airflow adjustment. 3.1ES and minis all do. I cranked my 3.1ES up to about 10 Watts, and it's smooth as silk

 

[herb]

No, no. Not pull the wicks out of the wire. Wiggle the wires and dry burn to make sure they're not touching the sides somewhere. As far as being loose... they pretty much come loose. Not very snug at all. They are in a very tight area in there but they're not "tightly" in the coil. But yeah it would be brutal to put them back while the coils are installed.

Ha ha , yeah i was like you got to be kidding me lol, how did he get those suckers back in there.

Sometimes some of the wicks fall apart after cleaning and dry burning but on a whole they get easier with a little more practice.

I saw this setup , anyone know if it works well ? This is a replacement for the Iclear 30

 

[diceman1000]

So does pulling a wick or two out of the i30 make a difference? My problem is bunt taste and too tight of a draw.

 

[jandry]

Jandry, no, I usually run 9 wraps of 30g around a 1/16" bit. I've got a mini screwdriver that came with my mini kayfun that I'm starting to use for those decks. It might be 2mm (it's bigger than 1/16, for sure.) It's more the inner diameter of the coil (and maybe how far above the deck it's sitting) that makes it seem tighter or looser in draw.

Only my kf lite doesn't have airflow adjustment. 3.1ES and minis all do. I cranked my 3.1ES up to about 10 Watts, and it's smooth as silk

Im sorry, that was terribly worded on my part. I meant with the Protank coils (EVOD coils), not the Kayfun. That was totally my fault. Did you just stick to 32 gauge 6-7 wraps on the Protank, or did you try coils with 9 wraps, etc?

As for the kayfuns, we are similar there too. Im using 9 wraps 30 gauge on a 16 guage luer blunt needle (heard bigger coil = better wicking). Didnt realize the inner diameter of the coil affected draw- thats great info thanks. Im a perfectionist like herb

 

[herb]

On another note , anyone looking for rubber insulators for Pro Tank rebuilds but thinks paying $6.00 for 10 from Lightning Vapes is outrageous ? The below site has 50 for $7.99 .


clonecores - 50-pack Rubber Insulators for Coil Rebuilding

 

[jandry]

Its true that you can't fit a long coil in the Pro Tank head base but as long as the coils are not touching the sides the draw should not be effected until wicking is applied. I am just confused about how the wire and wraps without wicking would make a difference in the draw but i think i understand what your saying .

A 5 wrap 32 gauge leaves a lot more space in the head than a 28 gauge wrap , which is too large for Pro Tanks imo but i know some use it . Now your comments make more sense to me.

Sometimes i get confused when you say chimney , as i automatically think your referring to the Kayfun not the Pro Tank . Regarding the Kayfun , unless your using a high powered device, builds in the 1.5 -1.8 dominate with the Kayfun's .

As you know there are thousands of threads on Kayfun builds in ECF , i can't remember a single one where someone built or recommended 2.0 or higher ohm builds with them , Kayfun's do not like very low builds either .

99% of them are built with ohms reading in the 1.2-1.8 area . Seems to be the best for performance but i have used 2.0 myself and that works fine also , i tend to stick to what most more knowledgeable than i recommend and i always have mine in that range and have been extremely satisfied but everyones different.

The bottm line is who cares what everyone else does , if it works for you and YOUR HAPPY , thats all that matters but make sure your completely happy with it.

If your like me being happy with it and needing perfection are two different things lol.

I rip apart perfectly good builds all the time which sometimes drives me over the edge , i'm always looking for perfection but i don't think it exists . Wow, i can't seem to leave well enough alone , anyone notice my post getting longer and longer ?

Anyways , i stay satisfied for a very short time period then i must start over to improve on something that doesn't need improving on .

How bright is that , not to bright actually , i'm convinced i have OCD , how else can this nutjob behavior be explained , it can't , i definitely got it ..

Yeah but thats exactly the issue- once I wick (even sparsely with cotton), the longer coils really choke the airflow. Ive noticed if I leave out a flavor wick, make the coil a little higher, and space the wraps out (where the coil winds have space between each wrap instead of touching), its more airy (better).

Yeah, my bad. Im still coming to terms with terminology. Ill keep in mind to only use "chimney" when talking about the Russian and use "top cap" when talking about the Protank's coils.

I will try my next build around 1.8 ohms. This one is 2.0, so in the sweet spot for the MVP but as you mention most Kayfun builds are 1.2-1.8. Going down a little will help it heat the coil up faster, and heat-up time being brief is very important to me.

I totally understand on the perfectionist/OCD part man. I am exactly the same way. I have wasted so many perfectly good coils because I wanted to try something new. Now im experimenting with Rayon instead of organic cotton for example. Cool thing about that is you can run the wattage higher (since rayon gives up liquid faster than cotton), and that means better vape and faster heat up time. Now that people are mentioning vertical coils, I have to try one.. etc

While youre right about everyone having a preference, some things just WORK (e.g. the MVP). So be sure to share any great builds you come up with Im pretty sure it will be a while before im some mad expert in this field, but my OCD is helping me work on that

@DingerCPA- if you try that vert coil, let us know how it goes and how you wick it. Im not sure if im going to put the wick inside or try to pack it on the outside yet.

**EDIT** great link to the insulators for the Protank herb.. many of mine are getting burnt spots from "hot leg" so that will be nice.

 

[DingerCPA]

Im sorry, that was terribly worded on my part. I meant with the Protank coils (EVOD coils), not the Kayfun. That was totally my fault. Did you just stick to 32 gauge 6-7 wraps on the Protank, or did you try coils with 9 wraps, etc?

As for the kayfuns, we are similar there too. Im using 9 wraps 30 gauge on a 16 guage luer blunt needle (heard bigger coil = better wicking). Didnt realize the inner diameter of the coil affected draw- thats great info thanks. Im a perfectionist like herb

You're o.k. I build all my coils (kanger heads and kayfuns) to about 1.9 ohms. Almost always use 9 wraps of 30g. I was talking about my kayfuns with the larger diameter. I wrapped one (maybe two) of them with the larger screwdriver bit. I'm going to rework all of them this weekend (although, that 3.1 is flipping awesome, and I don't want to tempt fate!)

On the larger bit, I do use fewer wraps - maybe 6 or 7 of the 30g. I'm just guessing that it's the larger diameter, but it could all be my airflow - I'm not quite sure. Just seems that it might wick a little better with the larger coil. Hell, I'm making most of this up!!!!!! Really.... on the larger diameters on my kayfuns, it seems like I get fewer burnt hits. With or without airflow considerations....

I do have a bit of 32g and a bit of 28g. I can't wrap 28 and still get enough resistance on my kangers. I may have one of my kfs that is wrapped with 28. Don't use the 32 very much at all.

Sorry if I'm being confusing. I'm multi-tasking, and not doing a very good job of it

 

[Pinggolfer]

Only my kf lite doesn't have airflow adjustment. 3.1ES and minis all do. I cranked my 3.1ES up to about 10 Watts, and it's smooth as silk

My Kayfun Lite 2 has a airflow adjustment screw. I haven't used it yet as I'm still watching videos on coils and wicking material. I notice some use cotton and others use Ekowool.

 

[DingerCPA]

My Kayfun Lite 2 has a airflow adjustment screw. I haven't used it yet as I'm still watching videos on coils and wicking material. I notice some use cotton and others use Ekowool.

I didn't get the kfl 2. It was my first one and I wanted to try "on the cheap" before I started dropping more $$$$

I use cotton and cellucotton. Not quite sure but cellucotton seems smoother

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[jandry]

My Kayfun Lite 2 has a airflow adjustment screw. I haven't used it yet as I'm still watching videos on coils and wicking material. I notice some use cotton and others use Ekowool.

Rayon is pretty awesome- im just finding that out today. You might try some of that as well- since it lasts longer than cotton, you wont have to tear the Kayfun apart as often to rewick (since the coils if using 30 or lower will last weeks)

 

[herb]

Got the nautilus mini with the bvc in so just gonna use that lol can't get away with the biggest air hole yet tho lungs have not fully recovered from the many years of tar inhalation lol

The Nautilus mini with the BVC's is an awesome setup for the MVP , the BVC head's last a lot longer and can take higher wattage . You can eliminate the prior juice flavor with the BVC's by boiling them for a few minutes , they still work great.

Jandry, no, I usually run 9 wraps of 30g around a 1/16" bit. I've got a mini screwdriver that came with my mini kayfun that I'm starting to use for those decks. It might be 2mm (it's bigger than 1/16, for sure.) It's more the inner diameter of the coil (and maybe how far above the deck it's sitting) that makes it seem tighter or looser in draw.

Only my kf lite doesn't have airflow adjustment. 3.1ES and minis all do. I cranked my 3.1ES up to about 10 Watts, and it's smooth as silk :)

How does the one with airflow control compare to the one without it ?

Im sorry, that was terribly worded on my part. I meant with the Protank coils (EVOD coils), not the Kayfun. That was totally my fault. Did you just stick to 32 gauge 6-7 wraps on the Protank, or did you try coils with 9 wraps, etc?

As for the kayfuns, we are similar there too. Im using 9 wraps 30 gauge on a 16 guage luer blunt needle (heard bigger coil = better wicking). Didnt realize the inner diameter of the coil affected draw- thats great info thanks. Im a perfectionist like herb

I don't think thats something to be proud of , haven't made up my mind yet about that , have i mentioned i also have a hell of a time making decisions ? Well i do , man i am not in good shape at all , two diagnoses in a row and not a single one thats positive.

 

[jandry]

The Nautilus mini with the BVC's is an awesome setup for the MVP , the BVC head's last a lot longer and can take higher wattage . You can eliminate the prior juice flavor with the BVC's by boiling them for a few minutes , they still work great.



How does the one with airflow control compare to the one without it ?



I don't think thats something to be proud of , haven't made up my mind yet about that , have i mentioned i also have a hell of a time making decisions ? Well i do , man i am not in good shape at all , two diagnoses in a row and not a single one thats positive.

All of us here are thousands of years of evolution man. Way I see it, no matter how crazy you think you are (as long as you arent evil of course), its prolly a good thing.

Im OCD with computers, vaping and motorcycles- whatever, thats me

 

[DingerCPA]

@Herb, I think I like the airflow a little better, but the kfl has been good. It's a bit tighter than the others, but it's not bothersome

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