New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers

[sofarsogood]

I believe I've read somewhere that there is always some bad chemicals in vapor but usually in trivial amounts that have no health consequence. Less heat is better than more heat. In the last few days i've been vaping around 300 F instead of the usual 400 but leaving max watts at 30. The last puff, a moment ago, maxed at 300 F and took 10 watts to get there because the wick is getting dry. It was a satisfying puff. When I want some harder hitting puffs I'll re drip. The temp won't change or might go down a bit, watts will go to near 30 and there will be more warmer vapor even though the max temp has not changed. So the coil temperature will stay the same but it will be generating a lot more heat because of the additional liquid trying to keep it cool. If the liquid can never get hotter than the coil (at least on the planet's surface) then I'm getting the vape I want 170 F south of a West Coast meltdown.

Could a metal alloy be formulated specifically for vaping that had advantages over all the existing metals being used? May be there could be a wire that keeps the kanthal crowd happy and still be used for temp control. A metalurgist might be able to answer that one.

 

[Cosmic_Glaze]

The Colt Volt by Vivapower mod was just reviewed by PBusardo.... about 30 min in he did a NIckle TC test.. (it's basically wattage mode..). the coils were red hot, and the cotton burst into flames!!!!! This happens when the resistance is locked. This happened on both mods that were sent to him..Hope knowbody ordered it and is Vaping in Ni mode. If I use TC it's SS316L.. I don't wanna have to worry about that issue... yes you can do Dry Burn test yourself.... just think of all the people that don't know enough about it and are using pre- made coils in there tanks... the majority of people who vape are not in forums doing there research about there products there using, and own multiple devices...they trust companies, and assume they are using a safe product and just wanna quit smoking.

That was just a heads up on that y product...

 

[NU_FTW]

The Colt Volt by Vivapower mod was just reviewed by PBusardo.... about 30 min in he did a NIckle TC test.. (it's basically wattage mode..). the coils were red hot, and the cotton burst into flames!!!!! This happens when the resistance is locked. This happened on both mods that were sent to him..Hope knowbody ordered it and is Vaping in Ni mode. If I use TC it's SS316L.. I don't wanna have to worry about that issue... yes you can do Dry Burn test yourself.... just think of all the people that don't know enough about it and are using pre- made coils in there tanks... the majority of people who vape are not in forums doing there research about there products there using, and own multiple devices...they trust companies, and assume they are using a safe product and just wanna quit smoking.

That was just a heads up on that y product...

Virst thing i woudl ask is who is Vivapower (ive never heard of them) Then i would ask why nickle because SS is more versatile That sounds like a dangerous mod!

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

I'm confounded by the fact that for the last few pages, either the same info that was discussed is being repeated or simply not correct, or the questions and such are showing that some have simply not read the earlier pages of this thread that have already explained it all.

 

[NU_FTW]

I'm confounded by the fact that for the last few pages, either the same info that was discussed is being repeated or simply not correct, or the questions and such are showing that some have simply not read the earlier pages of this thread that have already explained it all.

Wow just the last few pages are repeats?? have you been paying attention to the thread?

What are you concerned with not being correct?? Can you be more specific rather than just saying the last few pages are just wrong? Do you have sources??

 

[Verb]

I'm confounded by the fact that for the last few pages, either the same info that was discussed is being repeated or simply not correct, or the questions and such are showing that some have simply not read the earlier pages of this thread that have already explained it all.

What's so confounding? It's humans doing the posting.

 

[440BB]

A few years from now there's going to be a post in this thread asking "what is TC?" followed by a post about bacon. Just a day in the life of a thread.

 

[SecondCitySaint83]

Pardon my stupidity, but am I safe vaping between 50 to 110 watts? My setup is a smok alien and I alternate between my baby beast and cloud beast tanks, I don't use TC at all

 

[tiburonfirst]

Pardon my stupidity, but am I safe vaping between 50 to 110 watts? My setup is a smok alien and I alternate between my baby beast and cloud beast tanks, I don't use TC at all

no easy answer there unless somebody has run a comparison test in tc compatible with your setup and the info you provided is lacking. wire used, wicking material, juice composition, vaping style can all influence the temps reached.

 

[Rossum]

Pardon my stupidity, but am I safe vaping between 50 to 110 watts? My setup is a smok alien and I alternate between my baby beast and cloud beast tanks, I don't use TC at all

No. You are never completely safe. The next time you go to the bathroom, you could slip and fall and split your head wide open if it it hits one of the hard surfaces in there.

However, your vaping is likely to be at least an order of magnitude less harmful than smoking. Could you make it even less harmful by using TC? Maybe. Some people have suggested that this might be the case, but there's no clear evidence of that at this time. As far as I'm aware, the only real testing that's been done using modern gear was with a Subtank of some sort at 25 watts and it showed minimal levels of the aldehydes in question.

 

[Eskie]

No. You are never completely safe. The next time you go to the bathroom, you could slip and fall and split your head wide open if it it hits one of the hard surfaces in there.

However, your vaping is likely to be at least an order of magnitude less harmful than smoking. Could you make it even less harmful by using TC? Maybe. Some people have suggested that this might be the case, but there's no clear evidence of that at this time. As far as I'm aware, the only real testing that's been done using modern gear was with a Subtank of some sort at 25 watts and it showed minimal levels of the aldehydes in question.

Well, if you believe the study, falling in the bathroom is orders of magnitude more harmful than vaping with, as according to this report, http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs...tal-home-injury-deathsand-how-to-prevent-them 6,000 people die a year from slips and falls in their home. Most in the bathroom. The FDA needs to regulate bathrooms. With studies showing that bathrooms are actually safe to use in the first place.

 

[SecondCitySaint83]

Thanks guys for your answers, I'm still relatively new to the vaping scene having quit the analogues back in November 2015, I do tend to chain vape at times, particularly when I've had a few beers or when I'm on my 15 minute break at work, I suppose in this day and age nothing is truly safe, but if vaping is still less harmful than smoking tobacco then I'll stick with vaping

 

[zoiDman]

The Colt Volt by Vivapower mod was just reviewed by PBusardo.... about 30 min in he did a NIckle TC test.. (it's basically wattage mode..). the coils were red hot, and the cotton burst into flames!!!!! This happens when the resistance is locked. This happened on both mods that were sent to him..Hope knowbody ordered it and is Vaping in Ni mode. If I use TC it's SS316L.. I don't wanna have to worry about that issue... yes you can do Dry Burn test yourself.... just think of all the people that don't know enough about it and are using pre- made coils in there tanks... the majority of people who vape are not in forums doing there research about there products there using, and own multiple devices...they trust companies, and assume they are using a safe product and just wanna quit smoking.

That was just a heads up on that y product...

Thank you for posting this Heads Up about the Colt Volt. And this to me is a Good Example of how TC got a Bad Name with some people.

Because if a new to TC person tried TC on a Mod like this Colt Volt (or perhaps some of the Other early incantations of TC) they would come away thinking that TC didn't work. Or might think that TC doesn't work with a Given type of Coil.

All TC Mods are Not Created Equal. The Colt Volt is a Glaring example of this.

 

[DPLongo22]

The FDA needs to regulate bathrooms.

Don't give 'em any ideas.

 

[zoiDman]

Pardon my stupidity, but am I safe vaping between 50 to 110 watts? My setup is a smok alien and I alternate between my baby beast and cloud beast tanks, I don't use TC at all

When you Rock Climb with Ropes/Hardware, the lead climber places pieces of protection to Limit the distance He/She can fall to Twice the distance from their last piece of Protection.

If the Leader places More pieces of Protection at Smaller intervals, it makes the Ascent "Safer". But Rock Climbing can Never be consider 100% "Safe". There is Always some degree of Danger inherent to Rock Climbing.

I think that is a Lot of what we are Doing with e-Cigarettes. Taking something that is Undisputedly Dangerous (Smoking) and Significantly Reducing the Dangers of it by using an e-Cigarette.

Not Eliminating All Danger. But Significantly Reducing the Dangers of Smoking.

 

[SecondCitySaint83]

What coils are acceptable to use in a baby beast and cloud beast? And at what setting? Wouldn't mind being educated in TC

 

[Layzee Vaper]

Pardon my stupidity, but am I safe vaping between 50 to 110 watts? My setup is a smok alien and I alternate between my baby beast and cloud beast tanks, I don't use TC at all

Like others have already said, there are just to many variables to give a definitive answer.

But, you could input the details of the coils and power levels that you use into , Coil wrapping | Steam Engine | free vaping calculators

You will need to know the wire type (Kanthal SS Ni etc) Size (AWG30, AWG28, AWG26 etc) and the resistance. All of these along with the power level make a difference to the temperature of the coil.

The icon at the side of the heat flux value will change colour depending on how hot the coil will be.
Blue is probably too cold for most people
Green is in the normal (if there is such a thing) vaping range
Orange is warmer
Red is hot

This will at least give you an indication of how hot the coil will be. It wont tell you how hot exactly but for us non temp control people it's probably about the best we have at this stage.

I suspect that if you are in the green range you won't have too many issues.

If you have to change coils or re-wick pretty often then this is also a good indicator that you may be running too hot.

 

[tj99959]

When you Rock Climb with Ropes/Hardware, the lead climber places pieces of protection to Limit the distance He/She can fall to Twice the distance from their last piece of Protection.

If the Leader places More pieces of Protection at Smaller intervals, it makes the Ascent "Safer". But Rock Climbing can Never be consider 100% "Safe". There is Always some degree of Danger inherent to Rock Climbing.

I think that is a Lot of what we are Doing with e-Cigarettes. Taking something that is Undisputedly Dangerous (Smoking) and Significantly Reducing the Dangers of it by using an e-Cigarette.

Not Eliminating All Danger. But Significantly Reducing the Dangers of Smoking.

As an X avid rock climber I totally agree with your analogy. That was a very good description of "harm reduction". I think we are fooling ourselves when we think vaping can ever be made 100% safe.

However the nice thing about vaping is that when we do discover a problem, we can usually fix it.
The example I like to use is the old 2009 FDA tests that discovered the dreaded DG in e-liquids.
The vaping industry then discovered that the DG was coming from packaging material being stored in the Lab. (cellulose dust) What an easy solution .... just move the cardboard boxes out of the lab.

 

[zoiDman]

... I think we are fooling ourselves when we think vaping can ever be made 100% safe.

...

Agreed.

I also think we (collectively) have to start thinking about e-Cigarette use more as a Wide Category.

Just like being Top Roped on a Hand over Hand jumble is Different from Leading a 5-10+ Open Vert, e-Cigarette use comes in Every Flavor of the Rainbow.

Can't state any Studies or provide any Links. But there has to be a Different Degree of Potential Harm in Vaping 1.5ml/Day of Unflavored @ 300F than there is at vaping 20ml/Day of Heavily Flavored/Sweetened e-Liquid @ 480F+.

 

[Eskie]

What coils are acceptable to use in a baby beast and cloud beast? And at what setting? Wouldn't mind being educated in TC

You would have to get the RBA kit and build the coil yourself in a TC wire such as SS, as Smok does not offer any factory TC coils for their tanks.