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New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers

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  1. Fiestylillady

    Fiestylillady Senior Member

    Dec 14, 2017
    USA
    Sorry about my dry hands. Washed them Before taking the tank apart. But that's how my cotton looks after trying temp mod. I purchased those coils last night to give tc another try. I'm using the clapton coil. 32ohms coils. I burned the cotton on first attempt with tc with them. Do I have to toss the coils? I'm going to try and dry fire see how they look and rewick.
     

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  2. stols001

    stols001 Mistress of the Dark Nicotinic Arts Verified Member

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    May 30, 2017
    Tucson, AZ
    Shouldn't have to change coils unless something comes loose as you wick it. It's also recommended that even SS coils, you are better off cleaning them thoroughly and then gently pulsing to check for hot spots. Not sure if with an exotic build that is going to be more difficult, but I've heard dry burning SS isn't good for it at least if you go at it with major gusto etc.

    Anna
     
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  3. KenD

    KenD Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Aug 20, 2013
    Stockholm, Sweden
    The Alien has very poor tc. That's at least part of the problems you're experiencing.

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  4. mikepetro

    mikepetro Vape Geek Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I agree with @KenD , those coils would push any TC mod.

    Plus, look as I might, I could not actually find what alloy (ie 316, 430, etc) of SS that Mad Rabbit uses, it wasnt anywhere on their website that I could see. Your TCR might not actually match their wire.
    https://madrabbitllc.com/shop/stainless-steel-coil-packs-pre-made/

    I would start with just a plain single wrap coil of a known alloy to test out your TC, get it working correctly like that, then experiment with more exotic builds. If you start with a working build, it gives you confidence in the Mod, then you can experiment.
     
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  5. Fiestylillady

    Fiestylillady Senior Member

    Dec 14, 2017
    USA
    Thank you all for the help. I feel like a silly rabbit because I first purchased a spool of ss and returned it for the premade thinking it would be easier. I didn't even notice out was missing the type of ss type. I tried calling the shop I purchased it in but I don't think they understand my question about the wire. What websites do you purchase your ss wire? I tried the majority of my local shops and they stint have ss only nichrome and I avoid it because of the nickel.
     
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  6. CMD-Ky

    CMD-Ky Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sep 15, 2013
    KY
    TEMCO

    Non-Resistance Wire - Wire, Cable & Accessories - Products
     
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  7. Dubminer

    Dubminer Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 10, 2016
    I second Temco,all i use.
     
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  8. mikepetro

    mikepetro Vape Geek Verified Member ECF Veteran

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  9. Mazinny

    Mazinny Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 25, 2013
    NY
    Wow, what an unexpected surprise, and beyond generous ! I don't now what to say other than Thank You :). And thank you for all the work you put in.

    I made a number of adjustments based on your test results, but now it's time to finally give TC a real try. I tried it with my iStick Pico and it was too fiddly, but like 440BB, time to learn escribe !
     
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  10. Fredman1

    Fredman1 Super Member

    Mar 27, 2017
    New Zealand
    Yep, my next challenge on the horizon. Head things don't come as easy to me as hand things do. Got some 430 st st that i'm exited to use in TC....
     
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  11. mikepetro

    mikepetro Vape Geek Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I am going to stick my neck out, and without a thermocouple, say that this is probably too hot???

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  12. Semiretired

    Semiretired Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Sep 24, 2011
    Middle Georgia
    Is that one of those new BTU mods... (LOL)...
     
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  13. awsum140

    awsum140 Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Looks more like LPG to me.
     
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  14. inspects

    inspects Squonkamaniac Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 15, 2014
    Arizona, Ecuador
    Sounds like Evolv is trying to sell more chips.

    I'm a thermographer, using a FLIR T-460 camera on an open wick-juiced coil I had a hard time finding any temps over 438 degrees. 438 degrees occurred after the juice had vaporized considerably, and I doubt anyone vaping normally would hit the atty that long in the first place. Therefore, my faith in Evolv's TC is very questionable, with regard to actual temperature.
     
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  15. mikepetro

    mikepetro Vape Geek Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Deleted - wrong forum
     
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  16. mikepetro

    mikepetro Vape Geek Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I proved it out myself, look at the various tests in my Blog (link in my sig).
    I tested many attys that rose above 438 while actually vaping them.

    My thermocouples told a different story. I measured the temp of the coil while actually vaping, therefor taking ALL of the variables into account, and ensuring no dry hits.
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    I experimented with the FLIR type of camera, but it doesnt accurately simulate temperatures while vaping. For one thing the coil chamber is open, and there is no airflow. Nonetheless I measured high temps with my camera on an actual build of an R91. Well saturated wick. I measured higher temps in this open manner than I did while using a thermocouple, thats because in a closed atty the airflow of a puff is a major variable and it cools the coil.

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    5 second fire
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    4 second fire
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  17. PugLady

    PugLady Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 9, 2012
    Arnold Maryland
    If this info is indeed true, I haven't read into any of it yet but it would be just 1 more reason I am NOT a cloud chaser. In my crown 3 I use a 75/25 vg/pg juice in a .25 coil at only 30 W. Yup 30. I have tge airflow all but closed, just not even about 1/8th of an inch open. Those who don't know the lower the airflow you allow the lower your wattage must be, this will save your coils and help them last longer as well. The flavor is amazing there..

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  18. AzPlumber

    AzPlumber Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 28, 2011
    Arizona
    Airflow is needed to temper the heat of the coil. In fact one of the worst offenders of high temp aldehyde producer is a low wattage, low airflow clearomizer.
     
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  19. PugLady

    PugLady Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 9, 2012
    Arnold Maryland
    I let enough air through that it doesn't heat up or anything, works great for me. It's open and plenty of air coming through just not enough to diminish my flavor, ad I stay between 27 and 30 w.
    Don't know why my pics always come up sideways lol...[​IMG]

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  20. PugLady

    PugLady Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 9, 2012
    Arnold Maryland
    Wonder why my pics never come up... hmmmm

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