New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers

[David Wolf]

what about Pod systems(not sure the wire type) and iCares(ss316) are they regulated in some type of internal TC? Anybody know?

I have the Cync and myjet pods, neither are regulated. The Myjet has a 1.3 ohm coil and gives a good fairly cool vape, I would be highly surprised if the coil gets anywhere near 450 deg. F with my 2 second MTL puffs. Low wattage vaping can do as good a job as TC in keeping the coil temperature down if you select the right gear and coils IMHO.

 

[zoiDman]

You left out the chromium in SS which if dry fired who knows chromium oxides and chromium 6 which is bad? We can read that in the next studies

Chromium 6 doesn't have much Pizazz to it. And sounds more like what they should Name Planet X when they get tired of calling it X.

Now Hexavalent Chromium! That sounds like something that would make your Eyes Fall Out. And something the Media could Pick Up and run with.

 

[Katya]

Now if you can Only tell me How Much Tax there will be on e-Cigarette/e-Liquids on April 1st?

Or is it July 1?

(snip) Back on topic... reading this: Tax and Fee Guide for Cigarettes and Tobacco Products states:

"Distributions of all products containing any tobacco, nicotine, e-cigarettes (i.e. nicotine delivery devices) sold in combination with nicotine or items classified as little cigars will be subject to the tobacco products tax, which is currently 27.30 percent of the wholesale cost. Please note, the tax rate on tobacco products is determined annually by the BOE and is equivalent to the tax on cigarettes. The rate is determined at the April Board meeting and is in effect the next fiscal year (beginning July 1)."

I'll be honest that I've never really understood how tobacco taxes work in the background, but I'm guessing the tax is on the wholesale cost and not the sales cost? For example, if a shop is buying a bottle of liquid for $10 and reselling it for $15, then the tax would be on the $10 (tax of $2.73) and not the $15?

It is also worth nothing that it appears that raw nicotine solution is also included in this tax.

Regarding out-of-state purchases:

"If you purchase cigarettes or tobacco products for your own use from outside the state without paying California excise taxes and use tax, you are required to report and pay the excise and use taxes directly to the BOE. This includes products purchased through the mail, by telephone, or via the Internet that are shipped into California, but will still owe the use tax. You will not owe the excise taxes if you personally bring less than 400 cigarettes (two cartons) into California."

A few interesting and confusing things here. First off, they only reference the use tax being owed for Internet purchases (which I believe is just sales tax). Or is that both? Jeez.

Secondly, what's the equivalent of 400 cigarettes in terms of milliliters of eliquid?

 

[Katya]

Now Hexavalent Chromium!

Oh, no. Not Hexavalent Chromium again...

 

[David Wolf]

Chromium 6 doesn't have much Pizazz to it. And sounds more like what they should Name Planet X when they get tired of calling it X.

Now Hexavalent Chromium! That sounds like something that would make your Eyes Fall Out. And something the Media could Pick Up and run with.

haha I can see the scare headlines now, "Hexavalents Found in E-Cigs - Run For Your Liiiiiivvveees!!!"

 

[David Wolf]

Another who will quit because they believe the totally skewed results of these studies. Going to be no problems at all and no products out of stock if this keeps up.

I'm paying a dollar on the ten for those dumping their Watts only regulated mods for the mad dash for that saviour of the free vaping world, Temperature Controooool.

 

[zoiDman]

Or is it July 1?

"New Taxes Imposed by Measure


Increases Cigarette Tax by $2 Per Pack. Effective April 1, 2017, the state excise tax on a pack of cigarettes would increase by $2—from 87 cents to $2.87.


Raises Equivalent Tax on Other Tobacco Products. As described earlier, existing law requires taxes on other tobacco products to increase any time the tax on cigarettes goes up. Specifically, state law requires the increase in taxes on other tobacco products to be equivalent to the increase in taxes on cigarettes. Accordingly, the measure would raise the tax on other tobacco products also by $2—from $1.37 (the current level of tax on these products) to an equivalent tax of $3.37 per pack of cigarettes.


Imposes New Taxes on E-Cigarettes. As noted above, the state does not currently include e-cigarettes in the definition of other tobacco products for purposes of taxation. The measure changes the definition of "other tobacco products" for purposes of taxation to include e-cigarettes that contain nicotine or liquid with nicotine (known as e-liquid). Changing the definition in this way causes the $3.37 equivalent tax to apply to these products as well."

http://www.lao.ca.gov/ballot/2016/Prop56-110816.pdf

It seems only fitting it would become Effective on April Fools Day.

Seeing than some Vapers Voted for it thinking it was Only on Cigarettes.

 

[Cosmic_Glaze]

I have the Cync and Myjet pods, neither are regulated. The Myjet has a 1.3 ohm coil and gives a good vape, I would be highly surprised if the coil gets anywhere near 450 deg. F with my 2 second MTL puffs. Low wattage vaping can do as good a job as TC in keeping the coil temperature down if you select the right gear and coils IMHO.

i just threw another ss316l coil in my KF5 .57 ohms, 420f, and still NOT hitting 420f. Ive been taking EXTRA long hits more than I normally do....cough...cough all for science!
I usually build a 1.4ohm kanthal 12ish watts.

 

[zoiDman]

haha I can see the scare headlines now, "Hexavalents Found in E-Cigs - Run For Your Liiiiiivvveees!!!"

I personally have a Hexavalent Chromium deficiency. It runs in my Dad's side of the Family.

So I use Vaping as a Supplement to my Normal Diet.

 

[David Wolf]

i just threw another ss316l coil in my KF5 .57 ohms, 420f, and still NOT hitting 420f. Ive been taking EXTRA long hits more than I normally do....cough...cough all for science!
I usually build a 1.4ohm kanthal 12ish watts.

A Kayfun man, ok! How are you liking the SS coil? That's my next purchase."!

 

[Cosmic_Glaze]

A Kayfun man, ok! How are you liking the SS coil? That's my next purchase."!

Still working on the fine tuning of the watt setting.. it just a little different at .57ohms than my general 1.2-1.4ohms Kanthal (that range depends on the juice sometimes) I like kanthal better but I have not spent too much time with the SS so we will see. Tank is almost empty gonna see if this TC really works! God I hope it does...

 

[dwcraig1]

Over done and don't need a mass spectrometer to see the nasties..........

I see my wife's been trying to cook again.

 

[Cosmic_Glaze]

A Kayfun man, ok! How are you liking the SS coil? That's my next purchase."!

OK, so I tried to vape this tank (KF5) dry in SS316l TC......before the cotton was dry I stopped inhaling it. No dry burnt hits, it just was not good vape at all. But in my mind I felt one coming. (temp control still had not kicked in at all yet at 420f). I took the top chamber of the tank off and kept firing a bunch more times till it was basically dry. There were no burns on the cotton at all. TC seemed to be working only at the very very very end did it kick in with "temp control".
If your using a MTL device and cant tell that your cotton is starting getting dry by just the FLAVOR alone then I guess TC is needed for you but, it was VERY noticeable LONG before the wick was completely dry and TC set in.

Remember not once did "temp protect" pop up while vaping on the tank with juice in it only when i was trying to dry out the wick in the very end to see if it would leave scorch marks which it did not.

Now for a high wattage device that may be another story since the juice evaporates at a much faster rate and that dry hit might sneak up on you.

 

[homeuser6]

if the laser is pointing at the coil, what is the lens looking at? using the laser aiming is not valid on my temp gun. 1 inch lens spread to get them lined up is also n.g. as close to the lens as possible is better.
forgive crappy sketch

 

[Aal_]

so riddle me this, i vape 98.5% VG without any flavorings what so ever and no water (1.5% PG).

Is that better or worse? i mean at 470F nasties are coming out, at 98.5% VG is it even boiling? is it better to lower the boiling point or make it higher?

 

[tara81]

I really like my mig cig 21 , should I be worried there is no temp control? It has a chip inside to give constant 4.2 volts on fusion tanks.

Can u use temp control with nautilus mini tank at 1.8 ohm coils? If so, what temperature do u start with? I'm using a target mini

 

[Zakillah]

so riddle me this, i vape 98.5% VG without any flavorings what so ever and no water (1.5% PG).

Is that better or worse? i mean at 470F nasties are coming out, at 98.5% VG is it even boiling? is it better to lower the boiling point or make it higher?

You do have some water in your juice, no matter what. "Water free" VG is ridiculously expansive, no one uses that. So your VG will always have something like 2% water (most likely more) in it. The juice will also keep drawing water from the air.

I once had the opportunity to test my 50/50 juice (using 99,5% VG and no water added) for exact PG/VG/Nic/water composition and it had 5% water in it.

 

[Aal_]

ok great! now is lowering the boiling point better or worse vis-a-vis the topic? or maybe does not matter at all

 

[smokinGAVIN]

Finally got thru all the pages of this thread. I'm thinking now may be a good time for me to take a second look and study TC. I find it a little bit intimidating and this thread kind of confused me but I'm sure I'll figure it out eventually. I hope I enjoy it as much as I enjoy my usual way of vaping.

 

[Katya]

I really like my mig cig 21 , should I be worried there is no temp control? It has a chip inside to give constant 4.2 volts on fusion tanks.

I know nothing about mig cig 21, but it looks like a cigalike, so you should be careful with it. No TC and probably very thin wire. Not much airflow? I'm speculating, of course.

Can u use temp control with nautilus mini tank at 1.8 ohm coils? If so, what temperature do u start with? I'm using a target mini

Short answer--no.

Long(er) answer: you would have to rebuild your 1.8Ω (Kanthal) coil with Ti or SS wire. Not easy, as it is a vertical build.