New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers

[NU_FTW]

ROFL

Actually, the battery comment was simply a way of saying "see, I really have been paying attention", because the battery indicator in that picture shows that the battery could use a charge.

but I didn't post a picture

 

[Zakillah]

I knew there had to be a way of doing it, why has it not been done ????

It has been done. Multiple times. Just not with current vape tech on a larger scale. Or at least not that I know of.

 

[NU_FTW]

The board reads the resistance of your build and the change with the application of current. It doesn't "know" how many coils are there, just the sum of the resistance between positive and negative posts.

my mod knows I'm using dual coils part of tc setup

 

[tj99959]

but I didn't post a picture

But I did (posted the link to this pic)

 

[MikeADore]

Seems to be a few folks here that have a genuine interest in TC vaping but are intimidated by the thought. Either they think it's too hard to understand or feel like they are lost in all the techy talk?
Maybe there is a basic tc thread here already? Or maybe I should start a tc thread that describes things in layman's terms without all the heavy math and over the top techy talk?
"TC Vaping for Dummys"? or "TC Vaping 101"?
If this post gets 20 likes I'll start a thread if one doesn't exist already.

Just so you know, my like counts as four because I'm four times dumber than most people when it comes to TC. So, you've got your 20 likes now. (anybody see his face, is he buying it?)

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Thats a big problem, and IMO overall impossible to solve.
The current "standard" puff protocol is a 3 second, 55ml puff every 30 seconds. This works ok for cigalikes and small tanks, which were popular ~3 years ago (think Evods or early ProTanks), but will not be able to simulate restricted or full lung hits at higher power. You´d need alot more volume for that, obviously.
Those old tanks had no airflow control and the usable Wattage range was very narrow, so a single puff profile, while not "perfect" for every device, will work decently.
Now think about about the many possibilities you have with even a simple random SubTank/Mod combo today.
Wattage range far wider. Close airflow halfway/a third or go fully open. How long and hard should the draw be?
Stuff like this cannot be standardised, and I am not even talking about different atties now. I think everybody agrees that using the same protocol on a Kanger SubTank and a Smok TFVsomething is not going to give "real life" results.

There should be ranges that can be established, just like when you calculate how many turns to make xx.ohms on such and such gauge wire. Sure they may be more variables, but in a range it gives room for lee way? Right? I don't think that anyone expects precision on something that has this many variables.

 

[DC2]

Seems to be a few folks here that have a genuine interest in TC vaping but are intimidated by the thought. Either they think it's too hard to understand or feel like they are lost in all the techy talk?
Maybe there is a basic tc thread here already? Or maybe I should start a tc thread that describes things in layman's terms without all the heavy math and over the top techy talk?
"TC Vaping for Dummys"? or "TC Vaping 101"?
If this post gets 20 likes I'll start a thread if one doesn't exist already.

I'm not new, and I'm not intimidated.
I just don't want to work that hard.

If I've got to get all into TC and building and such to vape safely...
Count me out. I'm already on zero nicotine and don't need the hassles...

And most new vapers will never even start.
So maybe TC Pod Mods will take over the market.

Discuss.

 

[Lessifer]

I'm not new, and I'm not intimidated.
I just don't want to work that hard.

If I've got to get all into to TC and building and such to vape safely...
Count me out. I'm already on zero nicotine and don't need the hassles...

And most new vapers will never even start.
So maybe TC Pod Mods will take over the market.

Discuss.

Not going to "like" this post, because we all see the writing on the wall.

Maybe someday we'll have the actual data to make real informed decisions.

 

[BackDoc]

Well said DC

 

[Eskie]

my mod knows I'm using dual coils part of tc setup

Yeah, I whisper it into the ear of my mod's airflow holes so it knows what's going on, so it stays out little secret.

There should be ranges that can be established, just like when you calculate how many turns to make xx.ohms on such and such gauge wire. Sure they may be more variables, but in a range it gives room for lee way? Right? I don't think that anyone expects precision on something that has this many variables.

Stuff like wraps for a coil is simple and follows well understood electrical principles, at least since Ohm was around in the 1850's. Zakillah's point about trying to standardize a puff across all the different tanks and airflow settings available is a real tough nut when it comes to testing.

From a regulatory position, you could argue all these confounding variables make it impossible to assure safety, so forget all those variables, keep it to an approved design set. That already applies to other products sold in the US which are subject to regulation, so it's not without precedence.

From a consumer standpoint, you can either shake your head and fail to act out of information overload (and continue to smoke) or you can accept a degree of uncertainty in exactly how much you are lowering the risk of harm and understand it's way better than smoking but some might be better than others, and we don't know which.

Unless we end up with no regulation (and I find that one tough to believe in) it will, if sane, objective decisions are made end up somewhere in between. Variety will decline, and feature sets become as much about safety as vaping satisfaction.

Then we're back to drilling out Maglites again.

 

[DC2]

Every variable is a consideration.

Unfortunately I dont think the machine exists that can perfectly simulate (and measure) all aspects of every combination of vape gear available. So science has no choice but to try and isolate pieces of it. Maybe once they get enough "valid" pieces things will get more clear.

Thats a big part of why the FDA is pushing for closed systems, it dramatically reduces the variables to something that can be modeled and measured. Not saying that is good for us though. Obviously, we all like what we like.

Best post in the thread.

 

[Don29palms]

I wish the government would just stay ojt of my personal business. I'm so sick of alk the BS government propaganda. The FDA is a joke. The know tobacco is killing people and has been for years but they haven't done anything to ban tobacco and really they shouldn't. If I want to smoke then that is MY choice. Big tobacco is pushing to have vaping shut down because of all the people that have quit smoking. I have a hard time believing any of this.

 

[NU_FTW]

Yeah, I whisper it into the ear of my mod's airflow holes so it knows what's going on, so it stays out little secret.



Stuff like wraps for a coil is simple and follows well understood electrical principles, at least since Ohm was around in the 1850's. Zakillah's point about trying to standardize a puff across all the different tanks and airflow settings available is a real tough nut when it comes to testing.

From a regulatory position, you could argue all these confounding variables make it impossible to assure safety, so forget all those variables, keep it to an approved design set. That already applies to other products sold in the US which are subject to regulation, so it's not without precedence.

From a consumer standpoint, you can either shake your head and fail to act out of information overload (and continue to smoke) or you can accept a degree of uncertainty in exactly how much you are lowering the risk of harm and understand it's way better than smoking but some might be better than others, and we don't know which.

Unless we end up with no regulation (and I find that one tough to believe in) it will, if sane, objective decisions are made end up somewhere in between. Variety will decline, and feature sets become as much about safety as vaping satisfaction.

Then we're back to drilling out Maglites again.

well I don't do that but my smok x cube ultra has a single coil or dual coil setting. What it does with that ive never cared enough to figure out and ive only been utilizing tc for 2-3 months now

 

[Eskie]

well I don't do that but my smok x cube ultra has a single coil or dual coil setting. What it does with that ive never cared enough to figure out and ive only been utilizing tc for 2-3 months now

I can't figure out what that could possibly bring to the table.

 

[NU_FTW]

I can't figure out what that could possibly bring to the table.

no idea but the mod knows


edit. Maybe tcr calculations?

 

[DC2]

Not going to "like" this post, because we all see the writing on the wall.

Oh, come on, you know you liked it.


But yeah, the writing over there on the wall, yeah, well, yeah, it's certainly there.
Standardization will be the excuse to take us down.

Maybe someday we'll have the actual data to make real informed decisions.

Maybe some day the Padres will win the World Series.
Or maybe, just maybe, the SAN DIEGO Chargers will some day win the Super Bowl.

Oh wait...

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

I'm not new, and I'm not intimidated.
I just don't want to work that hard.

If I've got to get all into TC and building and such to vape safely...
Count me out. I'm already on zero nicotine and don't need the hassles...

And most new vapers will never even start.
So maybe TC Pod Mods will take over the market.

Discuss.

Hassles?

If you already build coils and wick correctly, the only thing "more" is to choose the temp that you want to be the limit of "heat".

I just think it funny that many that never tried temp control believe it to be a big complex thing. Everything that you need to do for TC, you already do when you build any coil.

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

I wish the government would just stay ojt of my personal business. I'm so sick of alk the BS government propaganda. The FDA is a joke. The know tobacco is killing people and has been for years but they haven't done anything to ban tobacco and really they shouldn't. If I want to smoke then that is MY choice. Big tobacco is pushing to have vaping shut down because of all the people that have quit smoking. I have a hard time believing any of this.

I don't see it as Big Tobacco being the guilty party.. it's all the taxes being lost that's the real issue.

They are losing millions per week for every % of people switching to vape (or plain quitting smoking). (millions = per large city population)

 

[Eskie]

no idea but the mod knows


edit. Maybe tcr calculations?

Well educated mod.

 

[kates]

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Thats a big problem, and IMO overall impossible to solve.
The current "standard" puff protocol is a 3 second, 55ml puff every 30 seconds. This works ok for cigalikes and small tanks, which were popular ~3 years ago (think Evods or early ProTanks), but will not be able to simulate restricted or full lung hits at higher power. You´d need alot more volume for that, obviously.
Those old tanks had no airflow control and the usable Wattage range was very narrow, so a single puff profile, while not "perfect" for every device, will work decently.
Now think about about the many possibilities you have with even a simple random SubTank/Mod combo today.
Wattage range far wider. Close airflow halfway/a third or go fully open. How long and hard should the draw be?
Stuff like this cannot be standardised, and I am not even talking about different atties now. I think everybody agrees that using the same protocol on a Kanger SubTank and a Smok TFVsomething is not going to give "real life" results.

I don't think a standard should be set and never changed. But there can be an attempt to apply protocols which have a valid basis to a specific area of vaping (as the one above that could be reasonably applied to the tanks of 3 years ago). E.g. Evoles data of real life use ( most common temp / puff duration etc.) could be really useful for setting a protocol for studies into tc. Parameters will have to be set and no results will cover all vapor's but I agree that is an impossible expectation anyway.