Nicotine less addictive via vaping then smoking?

[VNeil]

The reason why vaping has worked for me is because it's easy -- no suffering.
Andria

This x1000!!!!!!!

Well, relatively no suffering

Andria[/QUOTE]

The first time, the pure novelty and joy over FINALLY quitting the stupid coffin nails carried me thru the early days, and even the depression I felt at the 3wk and 3mo points didn't last very long, maybe about a week each time, but no cravings. But after coming back from that relapse... if I hadn't been able to get some WTA, I simply wouldn't have made it -- the reason why all my previous attempts failed so miserably was because the suffering was simply too awful to endure -- even for someone with the experience of cold-turkey alcohol detox, and, at the times I tried to quit smoking, a few years of sobriety behind me. .....
Andria

Interesting that you put it that way because I had a mini experience like that. I was out of town, away from my smoking wife, and a week before I came home I walked into a vape shop to see what this eCig stuff was all about. Walked out with a CE5 an eGo setup. Went back every day to buy more backups Two or three days later I quit smoking completely and it was easy. I don't remember doing any time in Hell. It just happened. After 4-6 days non-smoking I returned home, and immediately starting pinching occasional cigs from my wife. Within about 5 weeks I was back to a PAD, and then I quit for good, and had those terrible days 4-5.

And that's why I've often suggested people simply take the stance that they will never take a puff again, because just because they quit once, for a time, does not mean it will be easier the next time. Quite the opposite for me-= and you. I know you have a different philosophy and did it differently but my philosophy came out of that relatively terrible second time that it took me to quit for good (or at least a year so far).

I think it is a terrible shame that vape shops do not generally sell WTA. Most people probably relapse before they ever get here AND learn about WTA. And you are right, it probably is so effective that BP won't touch it. You can be sure they know all about it and more than we will ever know. Same with BT, who is now in the cigalike market. They truly do not want people to quit, and the lack of WTA proves it.

 

[AndriaD]

This x1000!!!!!!!

Well, relatively no suffering

Yes, "relatively" -- mild discomfort, sure, and I've even felt a mild twinge or two lately, with my most recent reduction to 3% WTA -- which tells me I need to hang at this level a bit longer than I had intended, to get comfy again, before I go down to 2.5% -- but "passing thoughts" of smoking are easily handled by just vaping more. And lord knows there have been other discomforts -- like the swollen feet and ankles I suffered before I added coconut water and decreased caffeine -- but to be entirely free of full-body/mind MISERY -- that is the blessed gift of WTA.

And that's why I've often suggested people simply take the stance that they will never take a puff again, because just because they quit once, for a time, does not mean it will be easier the next time. Quite the opposite for me-= and you. I know you have a different philosophy and did it differently but my philosophy came out of that relatively terrible second time that it took me to quit for good (or at least a year so far).

I think it is a terrible shame that vape shops do not generally sell WTA. Most people probably relapse before they ever get here AND learn about WTA. And you are right, it probably is so effective that BP won't touch it. You can be sure they know all about it and more than we will ever know. Same with BT, who is now in the cigalike market. They truly do not want people to quit, and the lack of WTA proves it.

I dunno about the "never again" -- I'm of the "one day at a time" camp, of course; I *hope* most earnestly that I will never again be so insane as to drink alcohol or smoke a cigarette, because I know exactly how fast either could provoke this body/mind into full-blown relapse. And for that knowledge, I guess my relapse is a good thing; now I KNOW that I can't afford to ever try smoking again, or I'll be right back where I was, hopelessly addicted -- so I simply don't allow my mind to go there, to romanticize either one, or to wish "if only..." For years I had those passing thoughts of drinking, and they were passing because as soon as they arrived, I escorted them right back out again! In that regard, my experience in sobriety is VERY helpful, because now I do that with passing thoughts of smoking -- I let them pass! Because you're absolutely right, as you and I both have discovered -- the 2nd time isn't nearly as easy as the first -- and considering how hard it was to get sober the first time, I sure as hell never want to go THERE! And my 2nd time with smoking... well I'm afraid that if there was a third, I might not ever make it back to smoke-free.

Even though I have a gracious plenty of WTA in my cabinet to see me thru my weaning-off, when Wholecig had their July 4 sale, I bought another bottle, to stick in the freezer -- because if those cravings ever did make a comeback, I would so much rather vape some WTA, than ever smoke again. WTA may not be quite as safe as plain nicotine, but it's so much better than the poison of cigarettes, in every possible way.

Andria

 

[VNeil]

Yes, "relatively" -- mild discomfort, sure, and I've even felt a mild twinge or two lately, with my most recent reduction to 3% WTA -- which tells me I need to hang at this level a bit longer than I had intended, to get comfy again, before I go down to 2.5% -- but "passing thoughts" of smoking are easily handled by just vaping more. And lord knows there have been other discomforts -- like the swollen feet and ankles I suffered before I added coconut water and decreased caffeine -- but to be entirely free of full-body/mind MISERY -- that is the blessed gift of WTA.




I dunno about the "never again" -- I'm of the "one day at a time" camp, of course; I *hope* most earnestly that I will never again be so insane as to drink alcohol or smoke a cigarette, because I know exactly how fast either could provoke this body/mind into full-blown relapse. And for that knowledge, I guess my relapse is a good thing; now I KNOW that I can't afford to ever try smoking again, or I'll be right back where I was, hopelessly addicted -- so I simply don't allow my mind to go there, to romanticize either one, or to wish "if only..." For years I had those passing thoughts of drinking, and they were passing because as soon as they arrived, I escorted them right back out again! In that regard, my experience in sobriety is VERY helpful, because now I do that with passing thoughts of smoking -- I let them pass! Because you're absolutely right, as you and I both have discovered -- the 2nd time isn't nearly as easy as the first -- and considering how hard it was to get sober the first time, I sure as hell never want to go THERE! And my 2nd time with smoking... well I'm afraid that if there was a third, I might not ever make it back to smoke-free.

Even though I have a gracious plenty of WTA in my cabinet to see me thru my weaning-off, when Wholecig had their July 4 sale, I bought another bottle, to stick in the freezer -- because if those cravings ever did make a comeback, I would so much rather vape some WTA, than ever smoke again. WTA may not be quite as safe as plain nicotine, but it's so much better than the poison of cigarettes, in every possible way.

Andria

Ah.... so we are not very far apart on the "never another puff" philosophy
That final bottle of WTA squirreled away in the freezer is cheap insurance.

 

[crxess]

I noticed this thread is falling off and am not sure if this was included but it is worth re-posting if so.